Toxin45 Posted January 9, 2014 Posted January 9, 2014 Only if I feel like it. Okay also ask me this...Did Ragna more or less became a type II anti-hero or a straight up hero?
Master Of Chaos Posted January 9, 2014 Posted January 9, 2014 Me thinks you spend too much time on Tv Tropes. Another question, did Arakune break free from Relius's mind control? What's going to happen to him now?
Toxin45 Posted January 9, 2014 Posted January 9, 2014 Me thinks you spend too much time on Tv Tropes. Another question, did Arakune break free from Relius's mind control? What's going to happen to him now? Beats me but probably now that Carl is charge
Shinhwa Posted January 9, 2014 Posted January 9, 2014 Me thinks you spend too much time on Tv Tropes. Another question, did Arakune break free from Relius's mind control? What's going to happen to him now? Arakune like... disappeared after Episode 12... Relius tells Arakune to go to Hazama and that was the last of him =w=;
Zedar90 Posted January 9, 2014 Posted January 9, 2014 It's not confirmed as of yet and hasn't been given any DIRECT evidence or mention. I admit that the conversation that Shinhwa posted is good proof, but on it's own it doesn't outright confirm it. There are other possible explnations, and there is still a big gap to fill before this explanation can be taken as fact. Namely, the how, when, why, and who, of how Saya's soul escaped Izanami and came to reside inside Noel, and what it means about Noel's existence. Personally, my theory is that Saya's soul is still repressed by Izanami, and she's reaching out through Noel now that she's nearby. I think it makes more sense that Noel's actions are a result of being an untempered unit that's near the orginal. Soul jumping seems a bit too implusable without further evidence or explanation, imo. On this subject, what exactly is Hazama's state of existance? He's called a vessel, the same as Saya, but does that mean he has a soul as well? It's hard to say what Kazuma and Hazama is to Terumi. What is known is: Terumi lost his body when the Black Beast was revived(復活). And he would later possess Kazuma who thanks to Relius arrangements has infiltrated Ishana. When the fusion between Kazuma and Terumi was complete he got captured by Valkenhayn and sealed by Clavis. Nine needed Terumi's knowledge so she released him from Clavis seal and put Mind Eater on him. In order to somewhat escape Mind Eater Terumi separated his mind from Kazuma's making only Terumi effected by it. Using his dual personalities he founded Sector Seven and NOL from the shadows. And he got sealed into the Boundary together with Hakumen, and would later only get his spirit released by Takamagahara. When Noel got the "True Azure" she "recognized" Hazama as Terumi making Terumi finally completely revived into the real world. At least in the Arcade ending it is shown that Terumi can talk with Hazama, and Terumi was at the end in the Cauldron since Hazama told him to go there. Me thinks you spend too much time on Tv Tropes. Another question, did Arakune break free from Relius's mind control? What's going to happen to him now? Arakune disappeared like Shinhwa said, and last he was seen in Sector Seven ending was he was in the Cauldron in Ibukido and waited to be used as a Receptor by Relius and be turned into a Black Beast, or something like that, Had no idea what Relius was trying to accomplish.
Toxin45 Posted January 9, 2014 Posted January 9, 2014 It's hard to say what Kazuma and Hazama is to Terumi. What is known is: Terumi lost his body when the Black Beast was revived(復活). And he would later possess Kazuma who thanks to Relius arrangements has infiltrated Ishana. When the fusion between Kazuma and Terumi was complete he got captured by Valkenhayn and sealed by Clavis. Nine needed Terumi's knowledge so she released him from Clavis seal and put Mind Eater on him. In order to somewhat escape Mind Eater Terumi separated his mind from Kazuma's making only Terumi effected by it. Using his dual personalities he founded Sector Seven and NOL from the shadows. And he got sealed into the Boundary together with Hakumen, and would later only get his spirit released by Takamagahara. When Noel got the "True Azure" she "recognized" Hazama as Terumi making Terumi finally completely revived into the real world. At least in the Arcade ending it is shown that Terumi can talk with Hazama, and Terumi was at the end in the Cauldron since Hazama told him to go there. Arakune disappeared like Shinhwa said, and last he was seen in Sector Seven ending was he was in the Cauldron in Ibukido and waited to be used as a Receptor by Relius and be turned into a Black Beast, or something like that, Had no idea what Relius was trying to accomplish. If Soichiro being terumi was true then he must have used Ripper's DNA to make his Hazama/Kazuma bodies probably because of his unqiue drive union.I mean why else would Hazama has his eyes always shut and the dual personalities must be a side effect.
Master Of Chaos Posted January 9, 2014 Posted January 9, 2014 Relius made Hazama to be an exact likeness of Terumi's orginal body. Not every last little thing is connected to XBLAZE.
Toxin45 Posted January 9, 2014 Posted January 9, 2014 Relius made Hazama to be an exact likeness of Terumi's orginal body. Not every last little thing is connected to XBLAZE. okay but terumi might have gotten inspired by ripper's personality and appearance.
Master Of Chaos Posted January 9, 2014 Posted January 9, 2014 That's like saying that Shiki got inspired by Mikiya. Those kinds of things are design choices-they have nothing to do with other characters. Stop trying to make non-existant connections between BlazBlue and XBLAZE.
Toxin45 Posted January 9, 2014 Posted January 9, 2014 That's like saying that Shiki got inspired by Mikiya. Those kinds of things are design choices-they have nothing to do with other characters. Stop trying to make non-existant connections between BlazBlue and XBLAZE. What?
Shinhwa Posted January 9, 2014 Posted January 9, 2014 Toxin, I think it's a good idea if you just drop the whole XBLAZE -> BlazBlue linking theories... Other than a few concepts and ancestors existing in XBLAZE, we have no idea how much it links to what is happening in the current timeline in BlazBlue... =_=
Toxin45 Posted January 9, 2014 Posted January 9, 2014 Toxin, I think it's a good idea if you just drop the whole XBLAZE -> BlazBlue linking theories... Other than a few concepts and ancestors existing in XBLAZE, we have no idea how much it links to what is happening in the current timeline in BlazBlue... =_= Uh..Okay I guess.
kylehyde Posted January 10, 2014 Posted January 10, 2014 So when Ragna answered to Rachel that he would be able to kill Saya does that mean he's no longer fighting to free her?
Shinhwa Posted January 10, 2014 Posted January 10, 2014 So when Ragna answered to Rachel that he would be able to kill Saya does that mean he's no longer fighting to free her? Well the fact is how his Sister who was kidnapped became embodiment of evil and death who is causing chaos and havoc towards the world, and also as seen by the True Ending of CS along with how Ragna suspected that Saya was not acting like her usual self in the past, he pretty much came to the conclusion that the Saya he sees in front of him is evil. However as seen by Episode 18, Ragna is unable to even hurt Saya, which kind of cost him... If Saya's Soul = Noel and Saya's Body Only = Izanami theory is real, then it would give Ragna the reason not to hold back anymore since the only thing that he would see in front of him would be someone else who is just using the shell of a body that was his sister's previously. But from what I saw in Episode 18 of how Izanami had stated something about Ragna being unable to save her forever, and also with the fact of what Ragna said in Episode 13 (Obtaining power to defeat the Imperator and Terumi is just an excuse), it doesn't seem that just defeating Izanami would end the twisted system that exists in the world right now. In the end, Izanami may just be another victim who fell to Amaterasu's selfish wish. It is possible Terumi was also a victim, possibly when he was the main host of the Susano'o Unit. I mean people aren't evil right from the start and there are reasons why people become evil and try to get revenge against others through any means possible. As seen by Amaterasu's Story told by Rachel, it really seems that the key to saving the world from the current twisted system is to actually "save" others instead of "defeating". "Defeating" always led Amaterasu to erase whatever happened throughout the story and start back from scratch (Aka Time loop through Dimensional Influences). What Amaterasu had been longing for years is "Saving", where tragedy doesn't occur (Although it is still a question who the "Girl who is a Monster that devours the world" is, because she is the innocent victim of the story). The fact is that even if Takamahagara had become erased, the world's current system as a whole is still a cruel place and is corrupt. That fact still hasn't changed. This is why the Destroyer of the World exists, which can be seen in two ways: Just Destroy the World, or destroy the Order that goes around in the current world, which means that the Destroyer of the World can destroy both a pure Order or a corrupt Order. The Order in the current world is certainly corrupt right now. But even with that, Power of Order exists to protect that Order from being destroyed. So considering the world's order is currently corrupt, it is a factor that the current world's system must be taken down and a better one or a purer one must be built.
Toxin45 Posted January 10, 2014 Posted January 10, 2014 So when Ragna answered to Rachel that he would be able to kill Saya does that mean he's no longer fighting to free her? Well pre character development anyway apparently.
Shinhwa Posted January 10, 2014 Posted January 10, 2014 That's not what he asked for... I already answered him.
Toxin45 Posted January 10, 2014 Posted January 10, 2014 (edited) That's not what he asked for... I already answered him. Oh never mind then...But still even if Terumi was always evil he was still pretty much an asshole with selfish desires regarding what's best for humanity it just that Amateratsu maid him worse than he was before along with Izanami. Are you sure it was Izanami said you can not save me or rather Saya? Edited January 10, 2014 by Toxin45
kylehyde Posted January 10, 2014 Posted January 10, 2014 You know now that you mention that the power of order is protecting the corrupt order of the current world. I always found it odd when Rachel mentioned that Jin is the anti body that the world needs in order to fight off the disease (Ragna). I mean when you look at it that way, Jin is the bad guy, the one that Jubei and Rachel should be fighting against. Yet instead they help him get stronger and make it even a greater challenge for Ragna to win against someone like Jin. Which is weird because Rachel wants Ragna to destroy the world's current order. So why make it that much harder for him?
Toxin45 Posted January 10, 2014 Posted January 10, 2014 Say I gotta ask are Ragna and Jin artificial vessels too?Like how Saya was for Izanami do you think Relius and Hazama/terumi created Ragna and Jin as vessels from someone or something.
Shinhwa Posted January 10, 2014 Posted January 10, 2014 Say I gotta ask are Ragna and Jin artificial vessels too?Like how Saya was for Izanami do you think Relius and Hazama/terumi created Ragna and Jin as vessels from someone or something. Ragna is definitely artificial as seen by tons of hints and he himself stated that his body was artificial and he doesn't even know whose soul he has inside him. Jin though, I can't say whether he is artificial because other than the fact that Ragna, Jin, and Saya were all found in a lab that Jubei had assaulted, other backgrounds behind Jin is unknown. Fact is how Relius had commanded Hazama to go to Celica's church to capture Saya.
Toxin45 Posted January 10, 2014 Posted January 10, 2014 (edited) Ragna is definitely artificial as seen by tons of hints and he himself stated that his body was artificial and he doesn't even know whose soul he has inside him. Jin though, I can't say whether he is artificial because other than the fact that Ragna, Jin, and Saya were all found in a lab that Jubei had assaulted, other backgrounds behind Jin is unknown. Fact is how Relius had commanded Hazama to go to Celica's church to capture Saya. Makes sense although remember the story Ragna,Jin,and Saya playable outside the cruch and they get lost in a forest i guess that's how saya got captured by Hazama and relius and msut have broken her mind and let Izanami took over.Saya didn't feel possessed and had no memory at first but eventually over time that caused to get sick meaning Izanami was already trying to posses her at one point and on the day the crunch got burnt down Izanami had taken complete control and gave Jin yukianasa to break the barrier and escape. Also since the NOL was actually a combination of the Magic Guild and the Orbis Librarius Norma how was sector seven formed? Edited January 10, 2014 by Toxin45
Shinhwa Posted January 10, 2014 Posted January 10, 2014 (edited) Makes sense although remember the story Ragna,Jin,and Saya playable outside the cruch and they get lost in a forest i guess that's how saya got captured by Hazama and relius and msut have broken her mind and let Izanami took over.Saya didn't feel possessed and had no memory at first but eventually over time that caused to get sick meaning Izanami was already trying to posses her at one point and on the day the crunch got burnt down Izanami had taken complete control and gave Jin yukianasa to break the barrier and escape. Also since the NOL was actually a combination of the Magic Guild and the Orbis Librarius Norma how was sector seven formed? If you are talking about when Celica took the trio to get some strawberries only to get lost, no that's not when Saya got captured by Hazama nor is it when Izanami possessed Saya. Relius had called Saya a "God's vessel" (神器) since the beginning. The way it went was how Before Terumi's attack, Saya and Jin were inside the church. Celica and Ragna were in two different locations but were both outside the church. Celica saw the church burning and when she went inside, Saya was gone and Jin was all alone there, possessed by Yukianesa. Celica approaches Jin but then she gets ambushed by Terumi. Because during Phase 0 she had heard from Ragna that he could not protect Jin and Saya, she approaches Terumi with last of her strength, where Terumi couldn't do shit and kept screaming in agony telling Celica not to approach him, but then Jin attacks Celica where Terumi strikes back by using his Uroboros to pierce through Celica's neck. After that... is the part where Ragna discovers the church burning where he runs to it only to get his arm sliced off while seeing Terumi take Saya away. One thing to note is that there was a barrier around the church's area where Terumi could not approach it, but apparently the possessed Jin destroyed it from the inside using Yukianesa. Can't say Izanami had complete control over Saya at that time as if it did, then the memories that Saya had remembered about the aftermath of Terumi's assault wouldn't make sense. Edited January 10, 2014 by Shinhwa
Toxin45 Posted January 10, 2014 Posted January 10, 2014 (edited) If you are talking about when Celica took the trio to get some strawberries only to get lost, no that's not when Saya got captured by Hazama nor is it when Izanami possessed Saya. Relius had called Saya a "God's vessel" (神器) since the beginning. The way it went was how Before Terumi's attack, Saya and Jin were inside the church. Celica and Ragna were in two different locations but were both outside the church. Celica saw the church burning and when she went inside, Saya was gone and Jin was all alone there, possessed by Yukianesa. Celica approaches Jin but then she gets ambushed by Terumi. Because during Phase 0 she had heard from Ragna that he could not protect Jin and Saya, she approaches Terumi with last of her strength, where Terumi couldn't do shit and kept screaming in agony telling Celica not to approach him, but then Jin attacks Celica where Terumi strikes back by using his Uroboros to pierce through Celica's neck. After that... is the part where Ragna discovers the church burning where he runs to it only to get his arm sliced off while seeing Terumi take Saya away. One thing to note is that there was a barrier around the church's area where Terumi could not approach it, but apparently the possessed Jin destroyed it from the inside using Yukianesa. Also Saya was not her usual self right so is it because Terumi brainwashed her or izanami possessing her? Or it could be both also you didn't anwser my question about sector seven's formation.I mean episode 3 hinted that at least parts of Saya is not herself. Edited January 10, 2014 by Toxin45
Master Of Chaos Posted January 10, 2014 Posted January 10, 2014 Unkown. Only thing we can sat about Sector Seven is that Terumi founded it.
kagaribito Posted January 10, 2014 Posted January 10, 2014 The way it went was how Where did you get that info? Just curious.
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