Shinhwa Posted January 10, 2014 Posted January 10, 2014 Also Saya was not her usual self right so is it because Terumi brainwashed her or izanami possessing her? Or it could be both also you didn't anwser my question about sector seven's formation.I mean episode 3 hinted that at least parts of Saya is not herself. Saya was not her usual self during the peaceful days of the Celica and Ragna. It was way before Terumi had attacked the church. Sector Seven and NOL were both formed by Terumi in secret. Where did you get that info? Just curious. Calamity Trigger Light Novel. Oh and great job fixing all my grammar/spelling mistakes on the wiki XD
Toxin45 Posted January 10, 2014 Posted January 10, 2014 Where did you get that info? Just curious. You really should add the light novels already....
Shinhwa Posted January 10, 2014 Posted January 10, 2014 You really should add the light novels already.... What are you talking about...?
Toxin45 Posted January 10, 2014 Posted January 10, 2014 What are you talking about...? You know the BlazBlue Light novels CT/CS.
Shinhwa Posted January 10, 2014 Posted January 10, 2014 You know the BlazBlue Light novels CT/CS. That's not what I mean... What do you mean by "You really should add the light novels already...."
Toxin45 Posted January 11, 2014 Posted January 11, 2014 That's not what I mean... What do you mean by "You really should add the light novels already...." I mean why you guys didn't add it in yet? You have the covers so why not add them already?
Shinhwa Posted January 11, 2014 Posted January 11, 2014 I mean why you guys didn't add it in yet? You have the covers so why not add them already? I can do that I guess. It's easy to do.
Toxin45 Posted January 11, 2014 Posted January 11, 2014 I can do that I guess. It's easy to do. Okay also what do you think about says walking casully with terumi in the anime episode 3?
Shinhwa Posted January 11, 2014 Posted January 11, 2014 (edited) I advise you to not take everything in the anime too literally. Although it depicts what happened in the past kind of as an animation, fact is that other sources such as the Light Novel and the new manga had Saya being kidnapped instead of walking together. So don't take such minor thing too literally as it will barely or not have any impact towards the real game installment. As much as I loved the anime especially Episode 8, fact is that Continuum Shift game already had happened so Episode 8 was a bit of an anime special thing. Not saying it is non-canon. It is canon in its own right. Just saying even if new stuff were added in other adaptions, we can't base stuff off from them because unless Mori decides to add those factors into the story in the game later on, they don't have any factors to it. I am more wondering how Continuum Shift novel part 2 will be as it shows Lambda in her original cape design that was shown in the anime. It is possible that material that was used in the anime can be used for the novel, but not sure if they can give much impact towards story mode in future games. More like the fact is, the light novel and manga are all adapted from the original game in the first place except telling the story in a bit of a different way instead of 100% following what happened in there. I can't make any theories off what happened in the anime as they don't really link towards future games. Edited January 11, 2014 by Shinhwa
Toxin45 Posted January 11, 2014 Posted January 11, 2014 (edited) I advise you to not take everything in the anime too literally. Although it depicts what happened in the past kind of as an animation, fact is that other sources such as the Light Novel and the new manga had Saya being kidnapped instead of walking together. So don't take such minor thing too literally as it will barely or not have any impact towards the real game installment. As much as I loved the anime especially Episode 8, fact is that Continuum Shift game already had happened so Episode 8 was a bit of an anime special thing. Not saying it is non-canon. It is canon in its own right. Just saying even if new stuff were added in other adaptions, we can't base stuff off from them because unless Mori decides to add those factors into the story in the game later on, they don't have any factors to it. I am more wondering how Continuum Shift novel part 2 will be as it shows Lambda in her original cape design that was shown in the anime. It is possible that material that was used in the anime can be used for the novel, but not sure if they can give much impact towards story mode in future games. More like the fact is, the light novel and manga are all adapted from the original game in the first place except telling the story in a bit of a different way instead of 100% following what happened in there. I can't make any theories off what happened in the anime as they don't really link towards future games. Okay so what do you think of Izanami being the true antagonist,I mean she was hinted to be controlling Sechs as they both want to turn all life into seither in XBlaze and leaves Terumi and Relius to their fates in CP. Also she is the one controlling Phantom not Terumi so she is pretty much responsible for the conflict directly or indirectly also if there's a XBlaze 2 and BlazBlue 4 then it is no surprise that she'll be the main villain.She's pretty much that man from guilty gear in BlazBlue.Also how would westerns react to the story mode in CP in the next two months after getting it? Edited January 11, 2014 by Toxin45
Shinhwa Posted January 11, 2014 Posted January 11, 2014 I can't say for sure. Although the possibility of the individual that Sechs talked to in the crystal was Izanami considering Sechs was trying to do what the Izanami team tried to do in CP, there is no legitimate source to confirm it. Izanami is pretty much the center antagonist as it is true that she had pulled the strings behind the scenes but it is unknown just how far and how long she has been doing this. Just like us uh... if they saw what happened in the ending, they would probably go "WTF is this....", because after all that accomplishment Ragna had achieved and such, they all went into a downfall thanks to Izanami ruining it all =A=
Toxin45 Posted January 11, 2014 Posted January 11, 2014 (edited) I can't say for sure. Although the possibility of the individual that Sechs talked to in the crystal was Izanami considering Sechs was trying to do what the Izanami team tried to do in CP, there is no legitimate source to confirm it. Izanami is pretty much the center antagonist as it is true that she had pulled the strings behind the scenes but it is unknown just how far and how long she has been doing this. Just like us uh... if they saw what happened in the ending, they would probably go "WTF is this....", because after all that accomplishment Ragna had achieved and such, they all went into a downfall thanks to Izanami ruining it all =A= Yeah Izanami ruining everything even more than Terumi and relius combined.Also tell me about the light novels.Also the two woman that Kagura seems to like the most are Noel and Makoto as evidenced by his announcer voice calling them Noel-chan and Mako-chan.He is also very protective of her when against arakune. Edited January 12, 2014 by Toxin45
RightInYourFace Posted January 12, 2014 Posted January 12, 2014 One thing I became curious about. It seems that Jin is getting random pains all of a sudden (See Episode 3 if you aren't sure what I am talking about). What is causing this? Yukianesa? Could it be possible that Hakumen isn't the only one being affected by two versions of himself existing the same timeline and that Jin is slowly dying as well due to the time paradox?
Shinhwa Posted January 12, 2014 Posted January 12, 2014 Could it be possible that Hakumen isn't the only one being affected by two versions of himself existing the same timeline and that Jin is slowly dying as well due to the time paradox? Not really as he never felt pain like this in the past even though he had met Hakumen time to time.
Toxin45 Posted January 12, 2014 Posted January 12, 2014 Not really as he never felt pain like this in the past even though he had met Hakumen time to time. Say are you gonna edit the embryo?
kagaribito Posted January 12, 2014 Posted January 12, 2014 articles on Wiki will be edited when they will be edited, stop asking.
Toxin45 Posted January 12, 2014 Posted January 12, 2014 articles on Wiki will be edited when they will be edited, stop asking. okay I'll stop.
Master Of Chaos Posted January 12, 2014 Posted January 12, 2014 Something I noticed from the story mode. In CT-CS, Hazama treated Ragna like his personal plaything, and considered him a nuisance and a pawn more then an actual threat. In CP, Hazzie's pissed off at Izanami for letting Ragna go when she could have killed him, then personally goes out of his way to track down Ragna and off him, only failing because Anti-Magic Waifu and Brokonoe. What's with the change in attitude here? He's not even this way with Rachel or Hakumen, two people he's hated more then anything else for fucking with him these last several hundred time loops.
Toxin45 Posted January 12, 2014 Posted January 12, 2014 Something I noticed from the story mode. In CT-CS, Hazama treated Ragna like his personal plaything, and considered him a nuisance and a pawn more then an actual threat. In CP, Hazzie's pissed off at Izanami for letting Ragna go when she could have killed him, then personally goes out of his way to track down Ragna and off him, only failing because Anti-Magic Waifu and Brokonoe. What's with the change in attitude here? He's not even this way with Rachel or Hakumen, two people he's hated more then anything else for fucking with him these last several hundred time loops. Hmm that's odd and in the finale he did die at the hands of Hakumen but yeah how peculiar.
cr1ms0n Posted January 12, 2014 Posted January 12, 2014 Hmm that's odd and in the finale he did die at the hands of Hakumen but yeah how peculiar. Probably because he felt lower than Ragna because he let him live.
Shinhwa Posted January 13, 2014 Posted January 13, 2014 Well as he had said in the prologue, apparently Ragna's "usefulness" had ended at the end of CS, so in particular, he had no more uses for him, where Ragna would just become nuisance towards him afterwards for his future plans (Well he did take advantage of him for readjusting Nu in Episode 7, but that was about it). He had taken advantage of Ragna's rage over him and such in order to make things go his way during CS. In the end though, Hazama and Relius had taken advantage of the protagonists' movements a lot, where they had taken advantage of not just Ragna but also Noel (Synchronization = If Noel did not synchronize with Nu, then Amaterasu would not have been summoned). Considering Hazama said "You could have annihilated Ragna the Bloodedge at that time easily", I am guessing Izanami has the power to negate Life Links or something? (She does govern death after all) Despite Ragna having a Life Link and all, so many characters are saying they can kill Ragna for good despite him having a Life Link. Are they just forgetting it about it, do they have the method to kill him while bypassing Life Link (This excludes Hakumen and Tsubaki as they actually can bypass/negate Life Link). I am not even sure if Jin knows about it (Can power of order even negate Life Link?). For one thing, the only time Ragna's Life Link was mentioned in the open was like in CS by Terumi, and by Nu herself in CP Episode 18, and the truth is that Ragna never mentioned about it himself regarding his Life Link with Nu. Zedar already answered me regarding this long time ago, but... I seriously wonder how and when Ragna and Nu even got a Life Link together... O_o; It's not mentioned anywhere in official sources apparently so I am guessing only Mori knows...
Luminos564 Posted January 13, 2014 Posted January 13, 2014 About the Life Link and killing Ragna despite of it. I am willing to bet that because Nu-13 wasn't, technically, there (Lamb-chops was) then the Life Link was not in effect for him. Or if you want to argue since Lamb-chops had Nu-13's soul, then recall that she was stricken with a serious case of "stabbed in the back to death" courtesy of Hazama which would mean that is the Life Link was there, it was out of commission at the time. Haku-men can definitely kill Ragna since the latter's victory quote against him is remarking on how his wound's won't stop bleeding out, likely the effect of the Nox Nyctores: Ookami negating his Ars and (potentially) the Life Link. Don't know about Time Killer but it is a possibility that it could work, though Haks would need to attempt it on him and sadly, nobody seems to know where Rags has gone off to. Power of Order is another thing. Since it allows for phenomenon negation depending on the user's willpower, I would like to say that yes: either Jin or Haks can kill Ragna with it. Tsubaki can also apparently kill him since Rachel tasked her with the deed, but Immortal Breaker was designed for Observers and Ragna isn't one (that we know of at least). Unless it has more uses than that.
kylehyde Posted January 13, 2014 Posted January 13, 2014 (edited) Something I noticed from the story mode. In CT-CS, Hazama treated Ragna like his personal plaything, and considered him a nuisance and a pawn more then an actual threat. In CP, Hazzie's pissed off at Izanami for letting Ragna go when she could have killed him, then personally goes out of his way to track down Ragna and off him, only failing because Anti-Magic Waifu and Brokonoe. What's with the change in attitude here? He's not even this way with Rachel or Hakumen, two people he's hated more then anything else for fucking with him these last several hundred time loops. That's quite interesting, I'm only speculating here but maybe the reason why Izanami let him live was to be able to utilize him later on. Pretty much what happened at the very end of CP where she made him go berserk and unleashed the "beast." Hazama might of already known that there was a hidden power within Ragna that could potentially derail his plans, so the best thing for him to do was get rid of him now that his usefulness had run up. And I'm pretty sure Immortal Breaker can kill Ragna. If it's strong enough to kill Rachel then Ragna should fall easily to it. Ragna doesn't really come off to be that strong, anyone can potentially kill him. Edited January 13, 2014 by kylehyde
Shinhwa Posted January 13, 2014 Posted January 13, 2014 About the Life Link and killing Ragna despite of it. I am willing to bet that because Nu-13 wasn't, technically, there (Lamb-chops was) then the Life Link was not in effect for him. Or if you want to argue since Lamb-chops had Nu-13's soul, then recall that she was stricken with a serious case of "stabbed in the back to death" courtesy of Hazama which would mean that is the Life Link was there, it was out of commission at the time. Haku-men can definitely kill Ragna since the latter's victory quote against him is remarking on how his wound's won't stop bleeding out, likely the effect of the Nox Nyctores: Ookami negating his Ars and (potentially) the Life Link. Don't know about Time Killer but it is a possibility that it could work, though Haks would need to attempt it on him and sadly, nobody seems to know where Rags has gone off to. Power of Order is another thing. Since it allows for phenomenon negation depending on the user's willpower, I would like to say that yes: either Jin or Haks can kill Ragna with it. Tsubaki can also apparently kill him since Rachel tasked her with the deed, but Immortal Breaker was designed for Observers and Ragna isn't one (that we know of at least). Unless it has more uses than that. The thing is though, the common knowledge about Life Link is that the ones who share it needs to get killed at the exact same time or neither of them can die O_o (It's like having to press 2 switches at once instead of pressing 1 by 1) Hakumen definitely can kill Ragna (Hell he was the one who finished off Ragna (Black Beast) during the Dark War). Time Killer can negate Life Link as the time of the victim is totally killed to 0 milliseconds where he/she becomes totally unable to exist at all where regeneration and such is impossible. Well... as the name implies, I am sure Immortal Breaker is pretty much for killing Immortals... Would be weird if it can't kill every type of Immortals when it is called "Immortal Breaker". Izanami is excluded from this though as she is death itself so she is already "dead". Although Ragna never died (Excluding Bad Ends), if you do consider the Life Link he has, he can somewhat fall under the category of Immortal I guess...
Toxin45 Posted January 13, 2014 Posted January 13, 2014 The thing is though, the common knowledge about Life Link is that the ones who share it needs to get killed at the exact same time or neither of them can die O_o (It's like having to press 2 switches at once instead of pressing 1 by 1) Hakumen definitely can kill Ragna (Hell he was the one who finished off Ragna (Black Beast) during the Dark War). Time Killer can negate Life Link as the time of the victim is totally killed to 0 milliseconds where he/she becomes totally unable to exist at all where regeneration and such is impossible. Well... as the name implies, I am sure Immortal Breaker is pretty much for killing Immortals... Would be weird if it can't kill every type of Immortals when it is called "Immortal Breaker". Izanami is excluded from this though as she is death itself so she is already "dead". Although Ragna never died (Excluding Bad Ends), if you do consider the Life Link he has, he can somewhat fall under the category of Immortal I guess... yeah hazama and relius did outsmart everyone in cp but they pretty much lost all their effectiveness and Izanami has already leave them to their fates and she really is one of the masterminds behind the conflict.Yeah pretty much the only people that cam nevagate life links are izanami,hakumen,and izayoi.
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