Koopa_Klawz Posted January 8, 2014 Posted January 8, 2014 Huh, so Labrys is still very much the heart of the matter in this current dilemma. Poor mecha-girl. At least this time she's got some buddies to watch her back. Now, all this talk over the "Malevolent Entity" got me thinking (note: mostly a theory of mine). What if, it isn't Nyarlathotep at all? What if the Malevolent Entity is none other than Tsukiyomi itself? I mean, the "Malevolent Entity" did talk about the heart being frail and that it can definitely betray the person at any moment. And since we know from P4 that Personas are really just "accepted" Shadows so what if, hypothetically, Tsukiyomi is a Persona that ultimately betrayed its wielder and gained sentience as a result? It'd explain why it'd need a vessel or why it at least needed PerShoNa to merge Inaba with the Midnight Channel to create a pseudo-Dark Hour. Unless Tsukiyomi has the power to shape shift into other people shadows like Nyarlathotep I doubt he can be the "Malevolent Entity". I was actually thinking Tsukiyomi with Sho is the human hacker since he admitted he was the one who threw Labrys into the TV and used Sho to do it (Sho alone doesn't look much like a tech guy). The only major flaw I see with my theory is "Eerie Voice" saying he doesn't have a persona so he can't enter the TV. Also, wasn't there translated info saying PSho isn't ME?
FluxWaveZ Posted January 8, 2014 Posted January 8, 2014 Also, wasn't there translated info saying PSho isn't ME? Not that I recall.
Luminos564 Posted January 8, 2014 Posted January 8, 2014 Unless Tsukiyomi has the power to shape shift into other people shadows like Nyarlathotep I doubt he can be the "Malevolent Entity". I was actually thinking Tsukiyomi with Sho is the human hacker since he admitted he was the one who threw Labrys into the TV and used Sho to do it (Sho alone doesn't look much like a tech guy). The only major flaw I see with my theory is "Eerie Voice" saying he doesn't have a persona so he can't enter the TV. Well, Shadow Labrys could morph into General Teddie no problem if you recall and she's certainly not Nyarlathotep. So it stands to reason that Tsukiyomi could as well since Personas and Shadows being two sides of the same coin has been established. Yukari also commented that the Fake Shadows in P4U2 are made up of mook Shadows so it stands to reason that "someone" is making and disguising them. Plus, Tsukiyomi/Tsukuyomi is often a god associated with illusions in popular works so there's that to think about. As for the "Eerie Voice" not being able to use a Persona and enter the TV, well I got a theory for that as well. Chiefly, it seems like Sho did not gain access to Tsukiyomi until the merger between Inaba and the Midnight Channel. Notice that neither Sho or PerShoNa never actually entered the TV world. They instead brought it to them. That's gotta be a bit of a clue. I'd also argue that from PerShoNa's win-poses and movements, Tsukiyomi visually evokes Asterius (disappearing and reappearing in a gulf of red smoke) but that could just be aesthetics.
shoryusatsu999 Posted January 9, 2014 Posted January 9, 2014 One problem with the SLab argument: I'm pretty sure she flat out stated that she could create illusions because Labrys herself could as well. She simply only demonstrated them on herself during most of the story.
heavymetalmixer Posted January 9, 2014 Posted January 9, 2014 Naoto's Story Mode complete. Near the end Naoto wants Rise to interfere with the Entity's control over Labrys, but Rise said this: "Is not a Shadow . . . is way too strong." Well, that confirms that is not a Shadow, but Shadow and Personas are the same thing, so there's the possibility that the Malevolent Entity is not a Persona. After, the final fight, Aigis said this: "My analysis didn't make it in time. But that was . . .", and Mitsuru answered: "It's hard to believe. The again . . .", so the Malevolent Entity is someone that Aigis and Mitsuru (and maybe other members of the Shadow Operatives) know.
Koopa_Klawz Posted January 9, 2014 Posted January 9, 2014 After, the final fight, Aigis said this: "My analysis didn't make it in time. But that was . . .", and Mitsuru answered: "It's hard to believe. The again . . .", so the Malevolent Entity is someone that Aigis and Mitsuru (and maybe other members of the Shadow Operatives) know. Well idk about anytime when Aigis and Mitsuru encountered Nyarlathotep. Actually, idk any other "entity" besides Nyx they've encountered.
RifleAvenger Posted January 9, 2014 Posted January 9, 2014 (edited) Well idk about anytime when Aigis and Mitsuru encountered Nyarlathotep. Actually, idk any other "entity" besides Nyx they've encountered. Maybe it's a sentient Erebus? Liz beat it again in her story in P4A, but maybe some part of it split off before that. I'm not really sure what the ME is at this point, but I really do think that P-Sho is still signifigantly Sho. Despite the voice deepening and the more sadistic attitude, a lot of his mannerisms (including the continuing love of bad puns) indicate to me that at most he's Sho "fused" with something else. At the least he's just Sho putting on a different personality because he's donned a persona. Edited January 9, 2014 by RifleAvenger
kibakirain Posted January 9, 2014 Posted January 9, 2014 I dunno but this will kinda sound off base but I'm really hoping that this mystery story mode character turns out to be Ryoji cause he said that he'll meet them again.
Luminos564 Posted January 9, 2014 Posted January 9, 2014 (edited) One problem with the SLab argument: I'm pretty sure she flat out stated that she could create illusions because Labrys herself could as well. She simply only demonstrated them on herself during most of the story. Illusions yeah, but they were mostly utilized by Shabrys to goad the Investigation Team and Shadow Operatives against each other (Lizzie being the only exception to the rule), along with the barriers. Actually shape-shifting from one form to the next is pretty standard fare for Shadows since that's what happened with most of the P4 Shadows before they became Personas. I mean heck, look at Teddie. He clearly metamorphosed into that human form somehow but can still use his Shadow body. Naoto's Story Mode complete. Near the end Naoto wants Rise to interfere with the Entity's control over Labrys, but Rise said this: "Is not a Shadow . . . is way too strong." Well, that confirms that is not a Shadow, but Shadow and Personas are the same thing, so there's the possibility that the Malevolent Entity is not a Persona. After, the final fight, Aigis said this: "My analysis didn't make it in time. But that was . . .", and Mitsuru answered: "It's hard to believe. The again . . .", so the Malevolent Entity is someone that Aigis and Mitsuru (and maybe other members of the Shadow Operatives) know. If this turns out to be Takaya I will be most displeased. I thought I was done with Tattoo Revolver Jesus after I trounced him back in P3 and I'd like to keep it that way. Unless this is someone completely new that the Shadow Operatives encountered after the events of the Answer. Edited January 9, 2014 by Luminos564
HoudiniJr100 Posted January 9, 2014 Posted January 9, 2014 If this turns out to be Takaya I will be most displeased. I thought I was done with Tattoo Revolver Jesus after I trounced him back in P3 and I'd like to keep it that way. Unless this is someone completely new that the Shadow Operatives encountered after the events of the Answer. I bet it'll be ikutsuki joking, I honestly still have eyes set on believing it's Nyarlathotep for many reasons.
Luminos564 Posted January 9, 2014 Posted January 9, 2014 I bet it'll be ikutsuki We already have the two Shos and Teddie making the bad puns, yet you want to make this into a quartet? joking, I honestly still have eyes set on believing it's Nyarlathotep for many reasons. The only problem I find with that is, as heavymetalmixer pointed out, would be: when did either Mitsuru or Aigis encounter him?
HoudiniJr100 Posted January 9, 2014 Posted January 9, 2014 We already have the two Shos and Teddie making the bad puns, yet you want to make this into a quartet? ...yes. I want Teddie to hear more awful puns that make his skin crawl! *evil laugh* The only problem I find with that is, as heavymetalmixer pointed out, would be: when did either Mitsuru or Aigis encounter him? You do have a point there, though I admit I don't factor this into account right now. All I can really theorize for that is Maybe at a point they encountered a purple butterfly, like how Aigis,P3MC,and Yu encountered the blue one that is Philemon...stupid ass-backwards theory..yes, but entirely possible too
heavymetalmixer Posted January 18, 2014 Posted January 18, 2014 Now that I think about it: what would be the role of Elizabeth in this game? The only ones that know of her existence are Aigis, Labrys and Yu, and her Story mode in P4U pretty much seems like a Gag reel (but it isn't) because she beats the shit out of everyone with out even caring. I don't think neither Sho nor Tsukyomi know her.
Volt Posted January 19, 2014 Posted January 19, 2014 Not to mention Shadow Labrys being in the game. Unless Arcsys is pulling another "Justice and Kliff" there's no reason she even should be in the game. Also, we are discussing theories and possible facts about an upcoming game. We know there will be spoilers here. Can everyone stop putting everything in spoiler tags please?
RWA Announcer Posted January 25, 2014 Posted January 25, 2014 Just out of curiosity, has anyone been able to get any translations or information on Elizabeth's Arcade Mode dialogue? We know that she has a proper one this time, just like Labrys, as one of the trailers showed a bit of a conversation she has with Aigis after she drops in on Shadow Junpei in her own....unique fashion, but after looking at all of the information that's been compiled on here and at GameFAQS, there's been a TON of info about nearly everything else, but nothing about hers. I suppose translations or screencaps haven't become available for her portion, yet? Was just curious. Also do we know if regular Shadow Labrys (Asterius) or Personaless Sho have regular arcade stories, or just the generic run, ala the Shadows and PerShona?
FluxWaveZ Posted January 25, 2014 Posted January 25, 2014 Just out of curiosity, has anyone been able to get any translations or information on Elizabeth's Arcade Mode dialogue? We know that she has a proper one this time, just like Labrys, as one of the trailers showed a bit of a conversation she has with Aigis after she drops in on Shadow Junpei in her own....unique fashion, but after looking at all of the information that's been compiled on here and at GameFAQS, there's been a TON of info about nearly everything else, but nothing about hers. I suppose translations or screencaps haven't become available for her portion, yet? Was just curious. Also do we know if regular Shadow Labrys (Asterius) or Personaless Sho have regular arcade stories, or just the generic run, ala the Shadows and PerShona? I'm pretty sure both Persona Sho and Sho have the generic arcade runs. I'd also like to know about Shadow Labrys, though I feel it's likely a generic run as well. I'm surprised there's nothing on Elizabeth's out there aside from that footage you mentioned. I wonder if her gaining the arcana of The Fool is even mentioned in it.
kibakirain Posted January 25, 2014 Posted January 25, 2014 Is anyone willing to give summaries of the arcade modes?
FluxWaveZ Posted January 25, 2014 Posted January 25, 2014 Is anyone willing to give summaries of the arcade modes? Labrys arcade mode Teddie arcade mode Only others I've seen and don't have much info on: Yu: Very poor synopsis of the beginning by yours truly based on the footage I saw at some point. Persona Sho: Faces Shadows and arcade's boss is Elizabeth, just like playing as a Shadow character. Elizabeth: Liz vs. Shadow Junpei. All I've ever seen on her story mode. That's about it so far. There are some other minor details out there like which characters face Sho as the final boss and which ones face Persona Sho.
Malcopunch Posted January 25, 2014 Posted January 25, 2014 Labrys arcade mode Teddie arcade mode Only others I've seen and don't have much info on: Yu: Very poor synopsis of the beginning by yours truly based on the footage I saw at some point. Persona Sho: Faces Shadows and arcade's boss is Elizabeth, just like playing as a Shadow character. Elizabeth: Liz vs. Shadow Junpei. All I've ever seen on her story mode. That's about it so far. There are some other minor details out there like which characters face Sho as the final boss and which ones face Persona Sho. When do you expect we get more info?
Malcopunch Posted January 25, 2014 Posted January 25, 2014 Naoto's Story Mode complete. Near the end Naoto wants Rise to interfere with the Entity's control over Labrys, but Rise said this: "Is not a Shadow . . . is way too strong." Well, that confirms that is not a Shadow, but Shadow and Personas are the same thing, so there's the possibility that the Malevolent Entity is not a Persona. After, the final fight, Aigis said this: "My analysis didn't make it in time. But that was . . .", and Mitsuru answered: "It's hard to believe. The again . . .", so the Malevolent Entity is someone that Aigis and Mitsuru (and maybe other members of the Shadow Operatives) know. What if i know how unlikely it is but..what if it's a former team member turned enemy..
FluxWaveZ Posted January 25, 2014 Posted January 25, 2014 When do you expect we get more info? Well, all the arcade modes are out there, so I guess we'd get more synopses when people feel like translating them. I guess for some more general story info that's not available currently in the arcades, the earliest we would get it would be in 4gamer's follow-up report to the article they wrote in December hinting at a new fan desired character involved in the story. Who knows when that report will go up, but I wouldn't expect it before March since the media cycle seems to be revolving around Persona Q for the moment.
kibakirain Posted January 26, 2014 Posted January 26, 2014 Labrys arcade mode Teddie arcade mode Only others I've seen and don't have much info on: Yu: Very poor synopsis of the beginning by yours truly based on the footage I saw at some point. Persona Sho: Faces Shadows and arcade's boss is Elizabeth, just like playing as a Shadow character. Elizabeth: Liz vs. Shadow Junpei. All I've ever seen on her story mode. That's about it so far. There are some other minor details out there like which characters face Sho as the final boss and which ones face Persona Sho. Thanks!
FluxWaveZ Posted January 26, 2014 Posted January 26, 2014 Were the victory quotes not posted here? http://pastebin.com/MjztBvGB
Koopa_Klawz Posted January 26, 2014 Posted January 26, 2014 Yu vs. SHO: "If our paths had been slightly different, I might have been you." I wonder what that is about.
FluxWaveZ Posted January 26, 2014 Posted January 26, 2014 Yu vs. SHO: "If our paths had been slightly different, I might have been you." I wonder what that is about. Sounds to me like typical good protagonist talk where Yu's saying that if he didn't have the bonds of friendship to back him up during difficult ordeals, he might have become someone who dismisses and ridicules their importance, becoming someone who values their independence like Sho.
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