[UNIEL] Hilda

[madigawadesperate]

I'll write some easier combos for hilda and some that do big damage 

[DaiAndOh]

Good stuff. Missing a move description for teleport and more optimal bnbs and combo theory, but it seems our boy Madigawa will get on that.

[Doonpa]

Good stuff. Missing a move description for teleport and more optimal bnbs and combo theory, but it seems our boy Madigawa will get on that.

 

Oh derp, see this is what i meant lol. Thanks a ton Dai, I'll fix that asap. Any other criticisms and stuff are totally welcomed. 

 

My goal for this doc is to eventually have everything with a "??" next to it answered, incorporate proper frame data and hopefully better combos. After that, I'd like to move the info on to the DL/Mizuumi wiki once everything has been looked over by others and is properly filled out.  

 

EDIT: Also can we get a skype group? 

[madigawadesperate]

I'll try to get some combos filled out and some varations hopefully around this saturday

[Dark Ranger88]

I've been using Dash C against people who like to backwards tech and jump your midscreen orb oki, since dash into 2B/5B/2C was too slow.

 

It completely destroys them (mainly because it's air unblockable) until they start teching and blocking like a smart player, but then you just make them eat mixup.

[Eshi]

Oh derp, see this is what i meant lol. Thanks a ton Dai, I'll fix that asap. Any other criticisms and stuff are totally welcomed. 

 

My goal for this doc is to eventually have everything with a "??" next to it answered, incorporate proper frame data and hopefully better combos. After that, I'd like to move the info on to the DL/Mizuumi wiki once everything has been looked over by others and is properly filled out.  

 

EDIT: Also can we get a skype group? 

There already is a skype group. 

[Eirokaj]

If anyone is interested on helping a novice Hilda player out, then by all means add me on PSN. My handle is "EiroHeart".

 

Also, can I get invited to this Hilda Skype group?

[madigawadesperate]

w.i.p

 

Hilda combo starter 

 

5a, 5b, 2b, 2c-c (can connect with j.2c into 2a at the beginning for around 500 more damage)

• 623a, 3c-c, b-lynchpin = 2304
• 623a, 66c, b-lynchpin = 2375
• 22a, 3c-c, b- lynchpin = 2389
• 22a, 66c, b- lynchpin = 2442
• 623c, 3c-c, b-lynchpin = 2574
• 623c, 66c, b- lynchpin = 2612

B-lynchpin enders(more damage on 5a combo)

• 22c = 363 damage (meter)
• 236+a = 270
• 236+a, 236+c = 520 to 570 range
• charged c = 73 x 4/5 depending on hit
• j.2c, a+d = 1700 damage (good damage, opponent can tech throw and leaves you at huge disadvantage use at your own risk, use on unwary opponents)
• 41236+D = around 1000 damage

Charged C starter

• C- lynchpin = 1703
• 22a, 3c-c, b-lynchpin = 2630
• 22a, 66c, b-lynchpin =2589
• 22A > 2CC > 623A > 66 > 3CC > B Lynchpin = 2749

J. Charged C starter

• 2c-c, 22a, 3c-c, b-lynchpin = 2424
• 22a, 632a. 3c-c, b-lynchpin = 2591
• 5c,c, 22a, 3c-c, b-lynchpin = 2626
• 22a, 632c, 3c-c, b-lynchpin = 2831
• 22a, 2c-c, 623a, 3c-c, b-lynchpin = 2833
• 22a, 2c-c, 623c, 3c-c, b-lynchpin = 3046

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​66b/66c starter(66b does less damage, all versions here will be done with 66c)

• 22a(refer to 22a starter) = 1610
• 236A = 1610 (frame trap on block)
• 623a(refer to 632a starter) = 1470
• 623c(refer to 632a starter) = 1830

623a combo starter(this move is used to punish grim reaper)

• 623a, 623a = 1508 (for when you feel like you need to style)
• 3c-c, b- lynch pin = 1848
• 66c, b- lynch pin = 1866
• 66c, 22a, 3c-c(slight delay on this), b-lynch pin = 2556
• 2c-c,22a, 3c-c, b-lynch pin = 2610 (if not done on fastest speed, lynchpin will not stagger)

632b

• 66b, a lynchpin = 2016
• 66c, 22b, 3c-c, a lynchpin =2864 (difficult to confirm)

22a/b starter(can use 66b/66c as a starter for 22a/b. 66c/66b add around 200 extra damage)

• 3c-c, b-lynchpin =1993
• 66c, b-lynchpin = 2062 
• 632A,3-c-c, b-lynch pin = 2362(difficult to confirm)
• 632A, 66c, b-lynch pin = 2373 (difficult to confirm)
• 2c-c, 623+a, 3-c-c, b-lynchpin = 2672
• 623c, 3c-c, b-lynchpin = 2702
• 623c, 66c, b-lynchpin = 2709

 

Anti-dispersive

• (veil off combo) 41236+D = 5176 (dat white girl damage tho) 
• 66c, 236+a, 236+c, 66c, b- lynch pin = 3737
• 66c, 22a, 3c-c, b-lynchpin = 3444

[Dark Ranger88]

 

Charged C starter

• C- lynchpin = 1703
• 22a, 3c-c, b-lynchpin = 2630
• 22a, 66c, b-lynchpin =2589

 

For charged C combo I've been doing

 

5[C] > 22A > 2CC > 623A > 66 > 3CC > B Lynchpin = 2749

 

or 5[C] > 22A > 623A > 3B > j.[C] > 3CC > B Lynchpin = 2831

[Hagane]

So I wrote this up to help LK learn about Hilda. It doesnt really have anything I'd expect people to not know about and stuff, but I figured it would be a good thing to share with everyone since its nothing too crazy to keep hidden:

 

https://www.evernote.com/shard/s462/sh/9ac9939d-267b-4e6e-a385-6709051182df/75a6cfeb84077740813154f2647a2f9d

 

Basically my attempt at a general guide. Its definitely not perfect as the game is still new (in the states) and is strictly based off of my own knowledge, so I'd appreciate concrete feedback/corrections/proof reading and editing from anyone willing to help out. Any information i've gotten from other sites/people I have tried to cite in this doc, so if theres any issues with me using said information please let me know. 

 

Note: I'll personally be reviewing my opinions on moves and stuff on my own and make this a bit more professional. Wasn't originally going to share this with the public lol. 

This is awesome. thanks for sharing!

[Tigre]

http://wiki.mizuumi.net/w/Under_Night_In-Birth/Hilda Hilda is one of the few wiki pages that's empty, any chance a Hilda player could step up and help fill out the info?

[DaiAndOh]

Stream footage of Tonberry playing Hilda, he's already way better with this character than me ;_;

http://www.twitch.tv/st1ckbug/c/4876966

[madigawadesperate]

I think i got the combo list finished is there anything else i should add guys??

[Dark Ranger88]

http://wiki.mizuumi.net/w/Under_Night_In-Birth/Hilda Hilda is one of the few wiki pages that's empty, any chance a Hilda player could step up and help fill out the info?

 

Yeah I'd be down to help once I get an account created.

[susano]

God, this charging b lynchpin is driving me nuts. Like, do you do her launcher and then hold it down? Or do you keep holding after launcher. I'm very confused.

[Doonpa]

God, this charging b lynchpin is driving me nuts. Like, do you do her launcher and then hold it down? Or do you keep holding after launcher. I'm very confused.

 

After you do something like 22A/B or 623A, hold down your B button and continue your combo from there. So an example combo would look like this:

 

5B 2B 2C 623A(earliest moment where you can hold down B for B lynchpin) delayed 3CC 22A(latest point in combo where you can hold B) 3CC or dash C, then release your B button so the B lynchpin comes out.

 

The minimum time you need for lynchpin to be charged is 46f which is relatively short, so you have a lot of time in the middle of combos to get the necessary charge. Basically the idea for Hilda combos is to use the time during any of Hilda's specials to hold your button there. 

[susano]

After you do something like 22A/B or 623A, hold down your B button and continue your combo from there. So an example combo would look like this:

 

5B 2B 2C 623A(earliest moment where you can hold down B for B lynchpin) delayed 3CC 22A(latest point in combo where you can hold B) 3CC or dash C, then release your B button so the B lynchpin comes out.

 

The minimum time you need for lynchpin to be charged is 46f which is relatively short, so you have a lot of time in the middle of combos to get the necessary charge. Basically the idea for Hilda combos is to use the time during any of Hilda's specials to hold your button there. 

 

Okay...but doesn't she have a launcher sword move?

So how the heck would you hold after that?

 

I'm using pad so I'm confused as to how fast I have to rush to B to use it.

[TD]

he just explained everything. 22a or b is the launcher. if doing 22b hold b. if doing 22a, after a just go to b as quickly as you can and do 3cc as usual. you must be holding b a little bit before pressing 3cc to end the combo. the timing isn't too strict, but not too lenient either. it shouldn't take too long to find the appropiate timing in training.

[susano]

he just explained everything. 22a or b is the launcher. if doing 22b hold b. if doing 22a, after a just go to b as quickly as you can and do 3cc as usual. you must be holding b a little bit before pressing 3cc to end the combo. the timing isn't too strict, but not too lenient either. it shouldn't take too long to find the appropiate timing in training.

 

Okay, I'll just have to figure it out in training.

[madigawadesperate]

patient players are not fun   

especially players who are good at blocking 

[LitchiFayeBling]

this char got moved to a+ tier on jpn lists???

[DaiAndOh]

Most JP BBS tier lists have her at B. That was one tier list with a guy who's not very good and from my understanding, spouts questionable frame data.

[GenesisDC]

After playing her for a while, yeah I feel like there's no way she's low tier like the arcadia list said (which a lot of people still believe). If she had a real reversal I think she'd be really cheap so I'm almost glad she doesn't. Where is a more recent list out of curiosity? 

[DaiAndOh]

Nothing official or reputable just JP BBS.

Personally I'd definitely place her above Chaos and Akatsuki. Probably in the next batch of characters, which is a pretty big list actually.

[Rhiya]

What I hear is that her matchups are basically very lopsided. She fares well against top tier (zones Gord fine, for example), but not so well against, say, Linne (who has roll + ex hien), etc.