Kyle Posted July 11, 2009 Posted July 11, 2009 Anyone have tips how to approach a turtle Rachel? With pumpkin, wind and the frog, I feel like I can never catch that little whore or maintain a decent position against her with the doll. MeatShield. And approach with Nirvana.. 3C is ok as counter poke. Low profile,,, ...Can Tager get out of the loop by breaking the throw and buffering a super? The Tager boards were talking about it. Tager has no Air super. UPDATE- Mid-weight& Light-weight combo's: I found walking forward before the [jump, delay, Airthrow] is super effective. It's very hard to notice this because the camera pans up to see the orb while Carl is actually hidden for a bit. =P Example @ 0:57 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kKhhM-57PU8
Anisakis Posted July 12, 2009 Posted July 12, 2009 was wondering if anyone would have the time to video your hands doing the (summon) 2A 2B 3C Allecan 2C ThrowLoop, with emphasis on the allecan+summon part. I'm doing decently with the summon, but I think I'm doing the cancel on the 2C too quick. I'm not getting it reliably, and it could serve nicely as a reference for future Carl's. Thanks.
Kumlekar Posted July 12, 2009 Posted July 12, 2009 Can nirvana's throw be broken out of while taking damage? (I know the green one can be broken)
Zoogstin Posted July 12, 2009 Posted July 12, 2009 Can nirvana's throw be broken out of while taking damage? (I know the green one can be broken) yes.
Wednesday Posted July 12, 2009 Posted July 12, 2009 Anyone think this "infinite" of sorts, will be removed? And will there be any game play heavy updates in future patches?
Zoogstin Posted July 12, 2009 Posted July 12, 2009 yeah, don't worry about it. More carl info lets go.
Wednesday Posted July 12, 2009 Posted July 12, 2009 Okay. So Carl supposedly rose as a character in terms of usefulness substantially because of this; without it, what does he have going for him? I've been playing with Carl for awhile and I don't see his advantages except some alright combos only when you get someone between you and the Puppet.
Zoogstin Posted July 13, 2009 Posted July 13, 2009 Just the fact that Nirvana exists makes a lot of Carl's matches tolerable. The throw loop just makes them better.
Kyle Posted July 13, 2009 Posted July 13, 2009 getting better guys! IAD, J.2C Alle~can combo = Go Tager/Haku/V/Bang = Go I've got the first rep against mid weights down as well. I still need to be more consistent with the first relaunch: 6P~8]D[, Delay, J.B+C
Slowpoke Posted July 13, 2009 Posted July 13, 2009 Lol cool thanks, been lurking since 07' for ABA combos, I just feel like I shouldn't be reppin' a crappy carl online so I decided to ask for some help thanks a lot!
Stray Posted July 13, 2009 Posted July 13, 2009 I've been toying around with Carl for a few days now and have decided to make him my sub (crazy I know). I've noticed that sometimes when I release D while tapping or holding a direction, Nirvana will sometimes do nothing. Needless to say, this screws me up when I'm trying to pressure or do a combo. I know the problem has nothing to do with activation start-up because I'm often holding D throughout an entire string. I also see Nirvana moving around while I'm doing this which further proves I'm not crazy. Additionally, I'm not being attacked so that can't be it. Is there something else to Nirvana's attacks that I'm not understanding? This has been driving me crazy since day 1.
Zoogstin Posted July 13, 2009 Posted July 13, 2009 This all comes from the fact that nirvana won't do anything until you release the D button as I'm sure you already know. With that said, a lot of mistakes that I make is that I hold the direction I want and press D but right before i release D I also let go of my direction due to shear habits from playing normal characters. But I do this so quickly I'm convinced that I released the D button before the direction when I really didn't. I dropped many 2C 8D combos because of this. -_- You have to be really careful not to get anxious and go back to neutral before you release the button. Also if you see Nirvana move during a string but for some reason the move doesn't come out yet you're positive you had the direction right, sometimes I release the button too soon from the last move that nirvana did. By the time I release the button and bring my finger back down on the button to continue the string Nirvana not only doesn't do the move but deactivates so when I see her activate and not due the move I'm like, "WHY DIDN'T SHE DO THE DARN MOVE!!!" Simply put its small minute input errors for me that I have a hard time pinpointing thats often screwing me over. But at the end of day I know what technically happened.
Zoogstin Posted July 13, 2009 Posted July 13, 2009 Happens to me sometimes. Basically I just screwed up my spacing so when I airdash for the second throw I put the opponent on the other side nirvana before i activate her and thus Nirvana turns around. The opponent will always bounce in the direction that Nirvana is facing. So if her back is too you, then you screwed up.
Kyle Posted July 13, 2009 Posted July 13, 2009 Just wanted to post and give a huge welcome to the newest members. there's quite a few poking heads around as of late. =D Rozy 4Corners mynusdono - Chaz! DubiousDanzai Sigma Wednesday Slowpoke Stray Neverknowsbest SolidPlay- Darius! Clear Sky Keep it up guys!
Zuji Posted July 13, 2009 Posted July 13, 2009 So..the clap loop. Can it be escaped through bursting? If so, when? I believe Iv'e seen buppa burst out of right when carl hits you with the first 2C that's setting it up, but can it be bursted out of anytime after that?
Zuji Posted July 13, 2009 Posted July 13, 2009 It can be bursted every time Carl needs to do a hit pretty much. Earlier the better, people usually burst after getting hit by 3C and seeing an IAD. Ah thank you my good man. I figured it was burstable but someone told me only haku and Ragna could burst out which made no sense at all.
Anisakis Posted July 14, 2009 Posted July 14, 2009 I find that having a good general defense in this game is important, especialy for Carl. Any higher level players have any specific tips or training tips to help some of the newer players to this kind of game out. Personally when I've had trouble vs a particular common block string, I've been looking to find spots I could Instant Block and punish with (+Summon) 2A 2B 3C IAD Alle-Can 2C Clap Trap and worked on timing in practice mode. Thanks
Kyle Posted July 14, 2009 Posted July 14, 2009 ...What is the best option if you are being blocked?... 5B recover for frame trap scenario 2B recover for frame trap scenario 6B recover for frame trap scenario 5B can be jump canceled on block. So, 2A, 5A, 5B, IAD, J.2C, Alle~can, 5B, 5C, 6]D[...whatever
Kyle Posted July 14, 2009 Posted July 14, 2009 I Agree, we do need a combo thread. =D I also think it should be a continuation of Chaz's thread.
Zeero Posted July 14, 2009 Posted July 14, 2009 would be nice if the format ends up like what chaz wrote above too =D then again, throw loop dmg = infinite
mynus Posted July 14, 2009 Posted July 14, 2009 Changing handle. I never use mynusdono ever in tourneys lol. Why did i make it that in the first place?!!! Kyle, i guess can you change the thread name or merge it into a seperate combo thread?
Kyle Posted July 14, 2009 Posted July 14, 2009 Thanks dude, I'll fix her up. Chaz, If you PM Gwygy Blood (Dan) he can change your name from Mynusdono to Mynus. I mean, if you wanted your post count/join date/whatever sentimental value that account held to you. =D
Kyle Posted July 15, 2009 Posted July 15, 2009 Updates- Combo thread, in place All post have been moved which are relevant I am in the process of going back and updating the first two post with best info so far. =P Video thread updated. We need more matches of us guys. =X
mynus Posted July 15, 2009 Posted July 15, 2009 anyone know the Carl matchup chart that was in the June 09 Arcadia? PS: thx Kyle!!!
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