[XRD] Sin Kiske Gameplay Discussion "Playing with Poles"

[GreeniX]

With a bare minimum of calories you can output some monstrous damage. Anyone got better than this for punish situations?

 

(5000 Cal, midscreen) 2H(2) 5H(1) 6H 623S 214S 236[H] 214H

 

(5000 Cal, corner) 2H(2) 5H(1) 6H 623S 214S 236[H] 214K j.K 5H(2) 214H

 

Corner version does 250 damage on Sol and goes up to 280 if you replace eating by RTL. Sin is a big boy.

 

 

Oh, and if someone's been having difficulty with the last challenge combo, I found that adding an extra j.6H in-between both supers made it easier. So there. Swag.

[Fatalis]

For regular combos, 2K can link into 2HS which can do some good damage.

 

The best I've figured out is, 2K > 2HS (2 hits) > 5HS (1 hit) > 6HS > 236K >236HS < 214HS (3000 calories, 145 damage).

[kaworu]

Thanks for updating the wiki, if someone could keep it up for combos and strats etc as they are figured out that would be great.

 

http://www.dustloop.com/wiki/index.php?title=Sin_Kiske_(GGXRD)

[Skargust]

This is the best 2k combo I could find so far: 2K>2H (3)>5H (1)>6H>j.S>j.P>j.S>Dj.S>j.236h 140 dmg 1000 cal; if you try to extend the air series by adding j. 6H and j.214s, you won't get a hard knockdown.

Edit: I'll be updating my doc all day. Will probably hold off on adding stuff to the wiki till things solidify further

[Kinkuli]

I'm fairly sure you can do 2K>2H(1)>5H(1)>6H>623S(crit)>214S>charged 236HS>214HS midscreen 

in corner just continue wiith 214K jK 5H(1) 6H 236HS 214HS 

 

Only thing that's a bit worrying is getting crit DP. Still trying to find out where you can get it since it goes straight into 214S charged 236H for massive damage.

[ninjay]

I have about 60,000 points right now doing some challenges and trials.  What is the best way to rack up points faster so I can buy Sin?

[Skargust]

Wow that route is really easy and damaging, though not super reliable; it seems like you have to be point blank/have dash momentum. I guess it would be best just to find an alternative with better oki then.

@Ninjay Finish Story mode and the tutorial if you haven't, they give big bonuses, don't remember exactly how much though. Maniac arcade on 1 round also gives around 10k per clear.

[Fatalis]

It looks like going from 2K>2H makes it so that 623S won't crit, so you can't do that combo Kinkuli.

 

The fastest way to unlock Sin would probably be to beat story mode (100,000 points), complete the tutorial (20,000 points), and challenge mode (300 per challenge). Then just do arcade mode to fill out whatever else you need.

[Kinkuli]

It worked on I-no and with dash momentum. Hence i said it's a bit worrying to get the DP to crit since it's REALLY spacing specific so i would personally not do it. 

[Skargust]

Forgot that I had the google doc locked. I opened it so that anyone can edit, feel free to rip apart anything there/ add stuff.

[Fatalis]

I think I figured out a universal way to combo into instant kill.

 

2D > 623S >214S > RC > Enter IK mode > IK

 

The timings seem different when you go from character to character, but I think works on all the cast.

[Yukikaze]

I think I figured out a universal way to combo into instant kill.

 

2D > 623S >214S > RC > Enter IK mode > IK

 

The timings seem different when you go from character to character, but I think works on all the cast.

 

What does crit Hawk Baker actually do? more untech time? 

 

Can do any short combo > Bull Bash > RC > IK or do you need the Hawk Baker?

[Fatalis]

Crit Hawk Beaker seems to all a lot of untech time and it knock them in the air so that when you use bull bash you're hitting them in the air.

 

That's the only one I've been able to consistently do. It seems that getting the crit on Hawk Beaker is spacing dependent. You have to be really close for it to crit.

 

Also your opponent also needs to be in Hellfire state for this to work.

 

Also, I got running 2K>2HS ... etc Hawk Beaker to crit, but only when you go from running into 2K, if you hit with 2K while in neutral Hawk Beaker seems to not crit.

[Yukikaze]

Maybe try long range beaker driver (236H) (1) RC > (I dont mean roman before the 2nd hit)

 

Pachi did this quite afew atimes in demo videos, you can run in point blank. I think it blows back on CH tho, probably could get 214K > continuation. 

[iBeK3n]

I have about 60,000 points right now doing some challenges and trials. What is the best way to rack up points faster so I can buy Sin?

I got a 100,000 quickly by completing the Tutorial, as many challenges as possible (complete ALL the easy ones for the whole cast), hopped on Mission mode and did as many quick and easy ones as possible.

I'm now going through story mode because it allows me to lay back, relax, and I'm guaranteed the remaining 100,000 needed.

[Skargust]

So I've been messing around with 3K and it seems like a good meaty tool. Point blank 2K>2D>hold up>3K makes reversal S Volcanic Viper whiff, with H Volcanic Viper barely catching you. The interesting part is even though 3K is negative on block, you can cancel it into 6H, which is plus on block and a true blockstring, along with being jump cancelable(j. D anyone :D). I tried to IB 3K and interrupt  the string with Sol's 3 frame 5K and I just seem to get counterhit. The only way to interrupt it was to use an move with invul.

 

In addition to being able to cancel 3K into 6H, you can also cancel it into specials, so you can mix it up with 236K/214S/Leap once they expect you to go into 6H.

[Yukikaze]

Hawk Baker crit > 214K j.K causes wall stick. 

 

near corner: 5K> 5H(1) > 6H > (elk hunt) > Hawk crit >  214K j.K> (Wall stick) > j.D >

                                                                                                                                  > Vulture 161ish

                                                                                                                                  > Driver > RTL 214

 

Vulture seems to do a lil more damage puts them high in the air, potential reset or air throw. 

 

I just need to work in a charged Driver some how, then this would mid screen. 

[Kinkuli]

If you are near corner or in corner you can do 5K > 5S > 2S > 236K > 623S (crit) > 214S > charged 236HS > 214K > jK > 5HS > 6HS > 236HS > 214HS 

or you can just end with jK 5HS(2) 214HS if you don't have enough food. 

 

For the most part if you can get 623S crit then the best idea probably is to combo into 214S and go from there depending on where you are.

 

Also few cool RC combos from far 5S

 

far 5S > 2S > 236HS RC 66 2HS(1) > 5HS(1) > 6HS > 623S (crit) > 214S > charged 236HS 

from here if you are near corner you go for the 214K jK route

if not then you can just end after 236HS with 214K.

 

Sin feels like he excels in neutral, poking and being a somewhat of a bully. 236K is plus on block so you can get in somewhat easily from neutral and start poking with stuff and confirming into 236HS 214HS whenever you get a change. Then with meter just RC 236HS for big dmg and corner carry. 

 

His 6P is also decent AA and on hit lead to a pretty damn good damage on most character. Example 6P c5S 5HS(1) 6HS jS jS j6HS j214S j236HS does 189 dmg on Sol. with RTL ender it pumps the damage to 225 Dmg.

 

This is just preliminary feels and will most likely evolve once people figure out more about Sin.

[Yukikaze]

Ye I just saw mission mode 31. I agree fishing with driver and canceling elk hunt into pole/6h on block. Also c.S/f.S forces crouch so you could possibly 214K j.h/j.d for fairly ambiguous crossup. 

 

Nice combos. 5S > 2S, didn't think of that gatling. 

 

236K > 623S (crit) > 214S > charged 236HS. most the time i get 1 hit. Any tips or just faster canceling?

 

Also I'v been wondering about your avatar? 

[stickystaines]

So i only just found out that his Leap is controllable. Could this not be good for crossup oki? If you crossup with the first hit of j.H only, it will force stand them and they will be pulled toward you. So you can do the following:

 

Leap > Crossup j.H(1) > 2K > 2H(3) > 5H(1) > 6H > j.SPS > dj.S > dj.6H > j.214S > j.236H - 210dmg (sol) 3000 cal

Leap > Crossup j.H(1) > 5K > 5H(1) > 6H > 623S(crit) > 214S > 236[H] > 214H - 212dmg 5000cal

(Near Corner after crossup) Leap > Crossup j.H(1) > 5K > 5H(1) > 6H > 623S(crit) > 214S > 236[H] > 214K > j.K > 5H(1) > 6H > 236H > 214H - 244dmg 6000cal

[Yukikaze]

What do you mean by controllable?

[Kinkuli]

236K > 623S (crit) > 214S > charged 236HS. most the time i get 1 hit. Any tips or just faster canceling?

 

Also I'v been wondering about your avatar? 

2 Hits might depend on spacing. Can't say on top of my head. I've been labbing for around 11hours or so, so my brains are not working fully atm ;_;. I'll check it out again tomorrow after i get back to training mode at some point. 

 

I just grabbed the avatar from internet D:. It's "mafia" Ukanlos.

[stickystaines]

What do you mean by controllable?

As in when you performing the leap if you hold forward you will go further and if you hold back you pretty much stay in the same place. If you do 214K > [6] for instance you can attack someone who is right on the other end of the screen

[Yukikaze]

As in when you performing the leap if you hold forward you will go further and if you hold back you pretty much stay in the same place. If you do 214K > [6] for instance you can attack someone who is right on the other end of the screen

 

Nice find, I know its only day 1 but Sin seems like a monster. Hopefully we can see someone like Satou play him. His XRD Millia is disappointing compared to his Johnny. 

[RurouniLoneWolf]

You guys looked like you badly needed a combo thread so I made one for you. Go nuts. I'll update the opening post as tech is discovered  

 

If I have time after I'm done sorting stuff out for NEC tonight, I'll also make a video thread if one isn't already made yet.