Alex073088 Posted April 20, 2010 Posted April 20, 2010 @ 1:20 Nu got Throw Reject miss but still rejected throw??? How's that even possible ? Loved the vid btw , real soviet dmg >>> all :D omg that shit happened to me before too, that shit is broken!
Heroic_Legacy Posted April 20, 2010 Posted April 20, 2010 me vs a sad carl. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gxaX8vOp2Mo If Carl is playing the matchup the correct way, you shouldn't have had time to punch the crap out of Carl.
Dew. Posted April 21, 2010 Posted April 21, 2010 for some reason toasty cheese never uses clap loop. dunno if it's because he refuses to, but i don't really think it's because he can't.
A.X.I.S. Posted April 21, 2010 Posted April 21, 2010 If Carl is playing the matchup the correct way, you shouldn't have had time to punch the crap out of Carl. so far many of the carls on XBL that gave up the clap don't know the match up...probably because they don't need to know the match up...they just have to land a clap setup and not fuck up the loop.
ShinsoBEAM Posted April 21, 2010 Posted April 21, 2010 so far many of the carls on XBL that gave up the clap don't know the match up...probably because they don't need to know the match up...they just have to land a clap setup and not fuck up the loop. This isn't true man. Tager has butloads of health that unless they use the trick which I have seen very few carls can do. Nee-san dies before you do. Also if you catch them using the trick you have a very tight timing to break out of the trap. Don't forget you have burst, also if nee-san is like at 1/2 health even with the trick she dies first. I know that carl match offline, in CT so much of his shit is punishable on reaction you really gotta get a handle for it, Im not really sure how it works offline. CS is weird because carl's shit is a ton safer in CS, bug he no longer has the crazy clap loop to be terrified of, and tager is better/faster now too so. Also lol at the carl doing 5BB on tager, that shit is so unsafe . Alot more shit wrong than that, I would have to say my carl is probably better than that , and I think my carl sucks.
Skye Posted April 21, 2010 Posted April 21, 2010 It's hard to gauge, they could be like me, who know the match up, but risk a lot to have a bit more fun, giving Tager an obvious chance at victory. Sandbagging, if you will. I'm super fucking aggressive vs Tager, but I know that if I play more passively, it's hard for Tager to do anything. Maybe Carl players feel the same way. Winning a piss easy match up isn't very fun, you know, why not even the odds?
ShinsoBEAM Posted April 21, 2010 Posted April 21, 2010 It's hard to gauge, they could be like me, who know the match up, but risk a lot to have a bit more fun, giving Tager an obvious chance at victory. Sandbagging, if you will. I'm super fucking aggressive vs Tager, but I know that if I play more passively, it's hard for Tager to do anything. Maybe Carl players feel the same way. Winning a piss easy match up isn't very fun, you know, why not even the odds? Yeah but some of things he is doing don't make me thing he is doing that. I know very well rush down carl has alot of problems against Tager, but still even for rushdown carl he has more options that what that guy was doing I didn't see any flashy placement or blockstrings just bad ones, or spamming of j.2C~14C which alot of carls like to seem to do when trolling.
A.X.I.S. Posted April 21, 2010 Posted April 21, 2010 maybe he is still learning those strings...the best carl i fought that didn't loop was kyle so errrr...
Skye Posted April 21, 2010 Posted April 21, 2010 Yeah but some of things he is doing don't make me thing he is doing that. I know very well rush down carl has alot of problems against Tager, but still even for rushdown carl he has more options that what that guy was doing I didn't see any flashy placement or blockstrings just bad ones, or spamming of j.2C~14C which alot of carls like to seem to do when trolling. Oh, well, then he's a pretty bad Carl, or a decent Carl hindered by online play.
Heroic_Legacy Posted April 21, 2010 Posted April 21, 2010 The matchup isn't 100% clap clap clap clap. Carl has Tager specific combos too. Not to mention there wasn't too much mixup/reset out of him. I personally think he was trash.
A.X.I.S. Posted April 22, 2010 Posted April 22, 2010 your so cruel heroic. its 100% clap if he knows how to do it...i fought too much pigg. if its no clap then resets up the ass... he's alright he's just learning that match-up.
Commanderoftroy Posted April 22, 2010 Posted April 22, 2010 Its the fact pigg and some other good ones can get you into a clap loop from across the screen and hit confirm everything. The carls who lack that ability simply rinse and repeat and hope you fuck up a block string.
A.X.I.S. Posted May 1, 2010 Posted May 1, 2010 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=exZqbU1yGrc I need to stop dropping 2C>623C inputs. any advice for me? I'd appreciate it.
Mike Z Posted May 1, 2010 Posted May 1, 2010 - Bait DPs with Sledge (well yeah obviously, but you got DP'd 3x after jumping at her that first round; an ASledge was possible each time, and the last time you could even have RC'd. If they get predictable, PREDICT it.) - At that hella boring part, there wasn't a reason to sit on your Spark. At the very least it helps you start to mount an offense. - Max range BSledge is NEVER a good idea vs. staff Litchi. Yes, I saw that (^.^) and you got CH for it, which should always happen. Eliminate that completely from your choices when you fight her - the only thing it will ever help against is her explosion or stance attacks, and you can react to those pretty easily. - There was a reason I did downtech->720 vs. 13 Orphans in the BB tactics vid. You can do it on reaction during the superflash, and it is hella free. Use it; stop neutral teching, and make them scared to pressure you with that. - Where's the 3C after the 360A? :^P
A.X.I.S. Posted May 1, 2010 Posted May 1, 2010 man I don't know why but its probably the lack of street fighter... when i jump in i sometimes don't expect the DP because litchi's normally go for 2C or 5A/j.A so when I got hit by the DP it was like ok he DP'd me that probably won't happen again, next thing I know he hit me with more DPs and yeah your right I could have RC'd I think at that moment I was waiting for a chance to 720 so I held it...guess the better thing was to RC. -_- at the boring part through out the fight he took a angressive stance on me throughout all the match ups I mean this was like the 5th match, so at this point I figured out if I try to move in I could eat some dumb stuff truth is I hate itsuu online won't let me react to it proper and when I do wanna punish they exit and hop/dash/DP away and as you saw I can't punish the DP...anyways back to it, I wanted to surprise spark him but I see what you mean...I could have used it as a reason to move in. I decided to hold spark and not use it so people can spend time trying to avoid it and getting punished for it...simply put I hold it so they think they can play a bit more recklessly. all of this noted and recorded thanks mike. litchi is my personal worst match up. -_-
Mike Z Posted May 1, 2010 Posted May 1, 2010 Your personal worst matchup, hoo boy...look forward to CS, it just gets worse. :^) Well, everybody plays differently; I try to give general advice, but if you have better mindgames with Spark then by all means keep it. I guess CS changed my playstyle in that regard since you get them faster. You do sit on meter quite a lot though.
A.X.I.S. Posted May 2, 2010 Posted May 2, 2010 its bad mostly because I don't have any clue of a safe way in or a good punish for her outside of IB such in such. although you did give me some great advice and I think I'm gonna take em to heart, find that guy and see what I can do. also forgot 360A>3C that shit works on almost everyone. oh and I hate myself for eating a thousand DP's from that litchi...took me a moment before I started baiting it.
Dew. Posted May 2, 2010 Posted May 2, 2010 Your video vs. Toasty Cheese made me dig out some replays I'd saved a while back. Entertaining things always seem to happen when I fight him. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3UqXjAQfyXg Also, a match that I saved of myself vs. BlueGarbage. Comments and criticism are appreciated. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zIUysBLeEmE
Skye Posted May 2, 2010 Posted May 2, 2010 - Where's the 3C after the 360A? :^P I told him that shit combo, but he still doesn't do it.
ZhePrime Posted May 2, 2010 Posted May 2, 2010 Also, a match that I saved of myself vs. BlueGarbage. Comments and criticism are appreciated. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zIUysBLeEmE Some quick thoughts: ¤ At 0:47 you got too eager and wasted a spark when bugs were around you. Save it for combos or when you see an opening, you don't want to waste spark in this (or well any) matchup. ¤ At 1:00 you shouldn't have collidered him out of the corner (unless you have spark) since you want him in the corner and you can't combo after it without spark. After the 6C try doing a j.2C, or if you want magnetism 5D. ¤ At 1:48 I don't know what happened exactly, did you simply press 2 to crouch? If so, try and get used to pressing 1 every time you crouch to block. ¤ At 1:53 it looks like you got hit by a bug because you didn't barrier. When you're in the air and you're cursed, always barrier unless you think you can IB. Other than that it's basically just learning the matchup, but that's the easy part... right? Nevertheless you won, so gratz.
A.X.I.S. Posted May 2, 2010 Posted May 2, 2010 Your video vs. Toasty Cheese made me dig out some replays I'd saved a while back. Entertaining things always seem to happen when I fight him. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3UqXjAQfyXg Also, a match that I saved of myself vs. BlueGarbage. Comments and criticism are appreciated. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zIUysBLeEmE carl outakes are funny. against ara...if he's magnetized and he backdashes 720, if he dives and he's magnetized then you 720. don't spark while cursed, just wait for a chance to poke out. oi and collider works wonders in this fight believe it or not.
ZhePrime Posted May 10, 2010 Posted May 10, 2010 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Fpflnwjtsw Nice match, though I noticed that the Hakumen player slipped up a couple of times, like doing going for the j2C loop when he could've done much more damaging combos with his magatamas, using only 2C as AA and i.m.o. IAD too much. You however liked having him magnetised but you didn't really do much with it (either by pulling him in or going for more damaging combos) which I found a bit wierd.
mAc Chaos Posted May 11, 2010 Posted May 11, 2010 We were mostly fooling around so :P God, I hate how I'll try to 2C sometimes and get 3C instead. *rages* What is more damaging than the 2C loop, Zhe? Skye, I could probably give you some advice on this matchup just from playing Axis and others a lot. You liked to B Sledge a lot. Don't! That is a free counter.
ZhePrime Posted May 11, 2010 Posted May 11, 2010 God, I hate how I'll try to 2C sometimes and get 3C instead. *rages* lol yeah I know what you mean, with characters like Tager you can't "cheat" either by pressing 1C since if they cross you up you get 3C instead. That's also why I liked using 6A as an AA more over 2C (in addition to the C moves having long recovery), not as easy to mess up on the input What is more damaging than the 2C loop, Zhe? Well, a lot of stuff really. The loop is good since it deals good damage for a few amount of magatamas, it's cost effective. But when you're sitting on 6-8 stars (magatamas) there's really no need to save up on those magatamas. Been a while since I last played Hakumen, but I can look over my old combo papers and see if I find something useful. ¤ At 0:50 I prefer going for the loop with f.j.C or a more damaging option including Zantetsu if you had the stars off the same move over f.j.B, but use whatever works best for you. ¤ At 0:59 a 6C is a good AA if Tager tries to j.D you, since if you can catch him you can follow it up with a Shippu for some lazy damage. Just be careful if you use it as an AA in other situations, make sure he doesn't land too close to you if he blocks it. ¤ At 1:01 you had 5 stars, which means you could've thrown in [5D, 5C, 214B(1hit), Zantetsu, 3C/5C] for around 5600 dmg (if you think he's gonna try to roll out of the corner, throw out a 5C afterwards). Really easy, really damaging. ¤ At 1:15 here you can tell it's a match played just for fun, since there is no need to do something so risky to be flashy. Tager has no real safe approach vs Hakumen (even if you're magnetized), if you want to keep him away then he's not getting in. So it's best to just block spark. And contrary to what some Hakumen think, I personally think that Hakumens IAD "sucks" and should be used sparingly, i.e. only do it when you know it's safe. It is such a risky move against almost everyone, it ranges from a free collider for Tager to eating swords from Nu. Can comment some more later.
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