Zidane

Thanks man! So how do you use that.

Sounds like u jealous. Wolfman Gerber baby has no problem finding victi---women.

Dodgejake dodging once again. K I just fucking read what those awards are for and you don't deserve any of them. Goddamn WC abusing power again.

...Play you for your awards.

Anything I do won't happen for another week or 2 so I can set things up. If you have any questions, even about how Hazama plays, feel free to PM me and i'll do my best to answer them.

Dacidbro: Shit talk about other players losing bad matchups Keeps quiet when he loses good matchups

This is probably the best backthrow combo besides relaunch specific ones and Hotenjin ones for damage:meter gain ratio. There is no reason to do 5C 1 hit over 5C 2 hits. Anyone who does it is doing the wrong combo.

I'm working on organizing the forums now / over the next few days / whenever i'm not lazy. Also, I can't comment on how Hazama might be in CS2 based off loke test changes. Even if they were the final changes I won't know until I play him. People thought top tier in SF4 were pretty much top in SSF4 too. Then it was the rise of Abel, etc. The only thing I / anyone can do to stop those people is to either a) ban them b) troll them to stop c) logically convince them to stop d) tell them to post in the general discussion thread.

@Tetra: I'm sure I can make a CS2 Hazama section but i'd rather not until CS2 actually comes out Dec. 9. This is my personal opinion so I don't mean to offend but I honestly hate guessing on how a character might play based on loc tests. I think it's pretty stupid. Now, I have no problem making a Hazama General Discussion thread in which those things can be discussed if you and others really want to.

Because most of Hazama's combos involve the opponent at a specific height or distance and delaying attacks. For example, I have relaunch combos off command throw, back throw, 214DC and Hotenjin for every character that can be relaunched. I could type them all up and i'd bet 75% of this forum couldn't do one of them. Not cause they're "hard" but because I can't type "Ok so you delay this move for X about 10 frames shorter than delaying it for Y" or whatever. It's dumb. I would need to go into training mode with recording equipment and upload the combos.

I'd agree to wait for CS2 but there are several factors i'm worried about: 1) As of right now America cannot get CS2 for arcade. I talked to fubarduck about it at SB:R and that was his response. He would have to wait to see the system to see if... something can be what, hacked or whatever to work in America. 2) We don't know when CS2 hits consoles. There is no confirmation the patch will hit consoles Dec. 9th. So what if the patch hits conolses like 2-4 months later? That would mean 4-5 more months of Hazama CS1. That would be a good time for more people to learn. AND AT THE SAME TIME people would be watching japanese matches trying to figure out / learn CS2 Hazama. So yeah. It could go either way for updating for CS1 or CS2. Just would like some other thoughts on the matter as well. But thanks for your opinion

EDIT: THE EFFECTIVE FORUM CHANGES WON'T TAKE PLACE FOR A WEEK OR TWO. THERE HAVE BEEN ONE OR TWO POSTS ABOUT ASKING FOR WHAT THEY'D LIKE TO SEE. 1) ANYONE CAN PM ME BEFORE HAZAMA FORUMS GET RE-DESIGNED IF THEY HAVE QUESTIONS 2) PLEASE CONTINUE POSTING WHAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO SEE Are a mess. There are several threads I want to delete, 3-4 of them I want to combine and make an updated combo list. The problem with all that is that CS2 is coming out in a few months (for arcade anyway) and will (most likely if there are no drastic changes between last loke test and dec 9) radically change how Hazama plays. I need to know from the people that actually play Hazama or atleast browse this forum if they would like things to start being updated now for CS1 or would want to wait for CS2. Note that if the majority votes CS1, I would have to go out of my way with time and effort for a lot of combos since this thread is severely lacking and probably have to bother others for recording equipment. I have no problem with it as long as people actually want to learn them for like the next month and a half.

I'd just like to say that this is a fine combo and should be used if the situation presents itself. However, i'd like to post some alternate combos that either gain more meter / do more damage: 214DB FC > 6DA ( up to 3 times, depends on character ) > 623D RC > 9 j6D > 5C > 4DA 4DA 4DD > jC(10) 214B - 4618 damage, 47% meter gain 214DB FC > 6DA ( up to 3 times, depends on character ) > 623D -> 66 3C Hotenjin > 66 214DC(2) > 5C(2) 2C > 4DA 4DD > jC(10) j214B - 5495 damage, 54% meter gain If near corner: 214DB FC > 66 Hotenjin > 66 214DC(2) > 66 5B 2C > 4DA 4DA > 623D > 2B 5C(2) 2C > 4DA 4DD > jC(10) j214B - 5024 damage, 52% meter gain I suggest people should always try for 66 3C Hotenjin over 623D RC combos for the higher damage and meter gain but you need to learn the different timings of how many 6Ds, how to delay them, how to delay the 623D and etc. People should get a feel if you could be able to do a 66 3C Hotenjin after a 623D and if you realize you can't, hit confirm into RC 9 j6D.

Bro. All I do is post when someone posts something extremely stupid about Hazama or just in general. You're posting in every goddamn forum telling people how to play their chars. Which I guess is cool for some scrubs / some things.. BUT I saw your post in the Hazama forum and I got a little mad. I thought about posting but I thought you might be trolling. You still might be. I mighta been caught. Assuming you're not you're making me fucking sad man.

Dacidbro: Too busy doing your job to tech 13 frame throws.

Ok you made a big ass wall of text which I read once but i'm not reading it again so I might misinterpret some points. Anyway, the whole "ideas challenge the mentality of the game" thing. So, to cover all bases: 1) Assuming you're talking about the wishlist fiasco: Wishlists have been around for fucking years. Besdies posting about it in a topic you shouldn't, the majority of players don't care what person X thinks should happen to Jin or Litchi or whoever. 2) Assuming you mean other ideas you might have: So what other ideas do you have that dustloop has shit on? Are they like corner proration or oki is gay? Those aren't thoughts that are just too outside the box for one to handle. They are seriously dumb thoughts provided by people who don't understand either BB or FGs in general enough to make such comments. Assuming you have other ideas, i'd like to hear them and comment on them in a serious manner. Also, if you feel that DL as a whole is really shitting on everything you say, can't you maybe think that you might be saying dumb shit and think some things through?

Before I answer your post in a serious manner, i'd like to get some things straight: COMMUNITY: 1: a unified body of individuals: as a : state, commonwealth b : the people with common interests living in a particular area; broadly : the area itself <the problems of a large community> c : an interacting population of various kinds of individuals (as species) in a common location MOB: a disorderly crowd of people So according to that and my understanding of past events where people like Blade were made fun of, the dustloop "MOB" unite--ERR, mobs up to ridicule a select group of people with either a) bad ideas b) stupid ideas c) wrong facts or d) all of the above because they feel they're harmful to the commu--ERR, mob. The ridiculed "COMMUNITY" (including such fine individuals as Blade, you, ZhePrime, redsilversnake, that guy who says memorizing oki is gay, etc) are tired of being ridiculed so they form a crow--ERR, unified group of people and agree with the one guy who brought up the mob idea without forethought or reason, pretty much forming their own mo--ERR, community against the much larger, right-information oriented commun--ERR, mob. Dustloop: Where Being In The Right Means You're A Dick.com SO ANYWAY. I remember you from loketest 2 or 3 FU. Granted I don't remember the exact posts ( were you the one making your own tier list or wish-list? ), I do remember they weren't helping anything out. I remember 1-2 people were telling you to stop, maybe by trolling, and you were arguing with them. Spirit Juice told you to stop and warned you, a goddamn admin or supermod or faggot, whatever his title is. So, is SJ apart of this "kill the scrubs" mob? So if you look up my first posts on this account you'll notice all I did was try to correct misinformation about Hazama and explain things in a somewhat friendly / troll manner. People still argued when I pointed out clear and concise facts so I said fuck it and fuck them. That's me though. I have not noticed another single person who makes huge ass posts trolling a select individual. So people like you and Blade, you guys necessarily don't post wrong information like "Ragna's 6B isn't an overhead!" or shit like that. Instead you post things irrelevant to the topic at hand or so far off the bullshit meter that people call you out for it. Corner proration is dumb. If I need to sit there and logically explain to another person why combos in the corner should not be prorated then I might as well shoot myself in the fucking face. If I need to explain to someone how top-level play isn't "memorizing oki and mixup", then i'm going to shoot myself in the fucking face. Again, I don't remember your exact posts so i'm just assuming you're the guy that posted his wishlist of changed IN THE DISCUSSION OF LOKE TEST CHANGES THREAD. And you wonder why you get called out on it? You and Blade are black sheep because you haven't proven why you should be deemed an intelligent member of the community. Maybe you do have good ideas? I wouldn't know cause I haven't' seen them. So maybe if you stopped posting about the DL Mob™ out to get you and started having intelligent, rational discussion about FGs or BB, maybe you would stop being labeled as such and maybe the DL Mob™ wouldn't troll people like you and Blade. EDIT FOR SPIRIT JUICE: So it pretty much comes down to the FC thing, where you're always going to believe X and i'm always going to believe Y. Can't troll or ague with you, you have the power so whatever. So this thread is pretty useless then huh?

Dacidbro: I secondary Bang; I main the character you play.

This badges system.. it's.. it's almost like Certain people who know specific things about a game should like... manage the section they know about on a forum. If only forums over the past 20 years had a system like that in place. Oh what a glorious day that would be. btw shtkn, i'm pretty sure chibi is just using his vast vocabulary to call us all a bunch of faggots. HOW'S MB DOING CHIBI, SUP.

I got dibs on that badge. Edit: Real talk, still think badge system is retarded in general. But that's just me!

"Plain Face" Badge.

Man I don't support hazing. I'm not trying to make new people's lives hell. Again, I have NO PROBLEM with new people. Everyone needs to start somewhere. I have a problem with people like the guy I quoted like 10 pages ago. He's a mix between someone new and a scrub. He's obviously new but at the same time, "i only play this char cause of cool combo game is ruined fuck bb". There's shit wrong with that. So if you're new, I don't have a problem. But if you're new AND stupid... well then.

What the F? The mod team isn't your mom. They're your drunk dad in the 1950s who thinks you're gay and hates you for it. If you don't fuck up ( posting like a functional person ) they leave you alone. If you bring Tom home ( corner proration ), you get the goddamn belt. Seriously. I understand there are situations for coddling. Like, in life. At what point did coddling become a necessity ON A GODDAMN VIDEO GAME FORUM? Are we scared of losing members? Is that it? Is the goal to catch all the scrubs? Be the very biggest forum, like no one ever was? This forum would be 1,000,000x better if it was just 50 goddamn guys knowing what the fuck they were talking about it. People must think bans are the end of the world.

The current problem is half the user database coupled with moderations where people get banned because of "trolling that goes too far" rather then because they make shit up and pollute the community. Violating e-rules of decency trumps actual gameplay advancement. I can't believe I just typed that. Dustloop is a fucking joke.