Zidane

Dacid "Where does one begin to try to tech 13 frame throws" Bro told me I was the best Hazama he fought. I guess that means i'm the best in the world.

Why did Hazama need a jump cancelable A? ALL of Hazama's air moves are JCable. Why the fuck does he need this? They took it away either cause they didn't want Hazama to be able to do EVERYTHING ( which he does now ) or cause.. It's ArcSys and it's their fucking game and they can do whatever they want. No I'm not overgeneralizing anything. I'm condensing why he's good cause I don't wanna type up all that shit again which you already argued against in the past. Also the fact that you're arguing with StunEdge, probably the best player in the US when he lived here, who qualed for SBO, about balance is seriously funny.

What made Hazama good: D button, safe everything with good reward, heat gain, damage What they nerfed: D button, safe everything with lesser or no rewards now, heat gain, damage

So assuming you read the changes say... a day or two ago, based on what you said, people can already know what to expect and do, as in change their combos and gameplay, about them. That sounds fair I guess. Except you're changing stuff based on changes that might not be there. And if it took a day or two, or even three, or a week to figure out what to do with these changes, what's the problem with waiting for the final copy, or even a final list of changes to come out to alter one's gameplay? Does anyone need to be on top of shit on day one?

Here's MY take. Who cares? Why is anyone arguing or giving their thoughts or psuedo-combos or anything involving loke test changes? It's a LOKE TEST. It's not final. Even if it was final, no one knows the complete list of changes. Even if you did know the complete list of changes you can't comment on shit unless you actually try the character out in training mode and figure out new shit. I mean even theory fightering has it's place but are we really using theory fighter on location test changes? Seriously?

That's a real insightful post. It's kinda... It's kinda like The WC players are less powerful than the EC players, and the EC doesn't have the retardation that stops people from teching 13 frame throws like the inferior WC does.

Oh my fuck. This is brilliant. This is the excuse WC will use if they ever fly out anywhere and get fucking raped by EC. Was Dacid "How Do I Tech 13 Frame Throws" Bro playing on the training stage? Is that why he lost to arakune 6-0? Brilliant ploy Spirit Jake. Absolutely brilliant.

Like I can't even muster the energy to troll DacidBro cause even he fucking knows how wrong you tend to be. And just to let DL in the know, Dacid is ACTUALLY a nice guy. So when you have him telling you something like that I think it's time to take a step back and realize the real problem.

Dude. I've said this once and you called me an asshole for no reason, but why do you think everyone is singling you out? DL as a whole doesn't meet up on IRC or AIM chat rooms and just decide to make your life hell because it's fucking fun. You CONSISTENTLY post stupid shit. And not even stupid like "hay guyz i hopez this chick in da bb mangaz is in bb3 so kawaii~". You bring up unlimited character moves in a GAMEPLAY DISCUSSION THREAD debating FC moves. If this was general discussion or the beginner forum I guess that would be fine. But people are trying to figure out what's the best move for characters actually allowed in tourney play. You really brought up a whole example using the word LOGICALLY describing illogical actions which you could've summed up perfectly and saved yourself random trolling with "Mind games have a habit of making people fall for dumb shit" or "Do stupid shit to counteract other stupid shit". And of course, Corner Proration™. In all seriousness and in no way am I making fun of you or attacking you, you really need to realize that you're just plain wrong either most or all of the time you post anything involving gameplay related to BB. It's that simple. DL doesn't want you dead and they don't sit at their keyboards, rubbing their hands together in anticipation waiting to troll you. They make fun of you cause the stuff you say just DOESN'T MAKE SENSE.

Did you just say.... Logically... Know what, nope. I'm out.

Just because i'm bored and about to go to sleep, i'm gonna respond to this and hope the outcome will provide many funnies when I wake up: 1) Only big lasers don't stop if Mu is hit. And it's easy to do a JCable move and jump to avoid the laser. Regular lasers do stop btw. Not to mention they (regular lasers) have like fucking negative hit and block stun so any small mistake can interrupt a combo / block string and... ehm... the "strategic pushing of buttons" will fuck Mu up. 2) Mu's setups during knockdowns are fucking pathetic. Seriously. IB jump barrier shits on her so bad. Even assuming you have to take her pressure, it's whatever. She has 2 overheads. One leads to about what, 2-3K without meter while the other leads to nothing without meter. 3) Her DP is good. The absorbing hit property is stupid but it's not as good as say Ragna's. 4) Good AAs? GOD NO. Both 6A and 2C are slow, have shitty active frames and the recovery is retardedly bad. Not to mention shoddy hitboxes ( 2C is more shoddy good though seeing as how it just hits everywhere when active ). Hazama has good AAs. 5) Poke priority? Against some characters maybe. Too bad her throwing out pokes are a risk at mid-close range because the recovery of all her moves minus As are anywhere from bad to awful. 6) I don't even understand what this means. Do you mean the combo puts her in a position to continue zoning / setting up lasers? Alright. I would assume a zoning character would be able to continue zoning so I don't understand why this is some sort of advantage that Mu possesses over others 7a) Mu's guard primer breaking command move takes off 3 primers at max level, not 2. THE MORE YOU KNOW. 7b) Who cares? If they're trying to jack your guard primers, mash on a DP or a super and put them in their place. Don't have one? WHO CARES. How often do broken guards win matches? Of course, this can all be "dat ec bias" so if pulsr wants to come in and prove anything i've said wrong, i'd be more than happy to hear his reasoning. Until then, Fuck Mu. Fail HD Dizzy. Can't believe fucking fish outshine mechanical orbs that shoot lasers with homing capabilities.

Relaunch combos work on Valk too

I've been figured out im meltingggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggg~

Sounds about right.

=)

I'm not your guy, pal. But "maybe" if "scrubs" cared about "money" "like" pros, they'd know "what" the "fuck" they're talking "about" from TIME AFTER TIME CONFUSION IS NOTHING NEW FLASHBACK WARM NIGHTS ALMOST LEFT BEHIND SUITCASE OF MEMORIES TIME AFTER TIME

This "Blade" fellow seems like "quite" the "fool". Perhaps if "I" put "quotation" "marks" around "random" words, "my" point "will" "come" across "more" "easily". "Testing." "Testing." "Does" "Dustloop" "believe" "me" "yet"

We went over this; my mustache holds all my EC powers. But I'm glad it take you more effort to fix your hair then to place top 3 at a fucking WC tourney. Rofl.

Sorry guys, I just got the news. FUCKING. ROFL. IrreleventBro can't even place first in fucking west coast tournies. Oh my fucking GOD. AND BANG LOST TO ARAKUNE 6-0!? AND SPIRIT JUICE PLACED FUCKING THIRD! Ok guys. Ok. I finally realized all that EC shit talk was just all jokes. You got me guys. That wa a good one. FlacidBro, good. ROFL.

Cause HAzama stops Jin everywhere. Can't come in from the air, can't come in from the ground. Jin has to guess his way in and then stay in with average mixup and damage. I actually quoted the Hakumen question but DL is gay so i'll just say 1) Hazama can escape almost anything all the time even without Hotenjin. It's called IB chain away 2) Hazmaa has to play smarter against Hakumen cause D and slicing chains but so what? Why does actually having to think in a match mean it's somewhat bad for one side? They both have superior zoning, damage and life. When they both get in it's scary. It's not worse for either side.

Why the fuck you keep posting in this thread Spirit Jake. Are you #1 anything on PSN? You have no voice here. Begone, scrub. BEGONE.

Cause Rachel can actually put up a zoning fight with wind + lobelias and provide some sort of semi-competent rushdown. She can also keep Hazama from coming in for free sometimes. Atleast, i'm more scared of Rachel than Tsubaki. And when I say more scared, I only smile against Rachel instead of laugh.

Because if Tager actually gets in he has the ability to do damage. 2-3 Mixups and Hazama is dead. If Tsubaki actually gets in I smile and laugh because her mixup, pokes, range and damage are pathetic.

Well I can offer 2 explanations and 1 troll. Explanation #1: Maybe you should play games that have matchup charts that please you. Explanation #2: Maybe you should get more better ( I said more better motherfucker ) knowledge so you can realize how pleasurable this matchup chart is. Troll: Who the fuck cares what you think?

1) Adding explanations to what? The new match-up chart? The old match-up chart didn't have any sort of explanation and it seems everyone on DL had no problem believing that. Explanations on why Mu is not top tier? lol. Did you offer an explanation on why Mu is top tier other than "You need to play a top one?" Why do top players need to offer explanations but players not proven can just say shit and it's fine? 2) I was involved with the Hazama portion of that chart. If anyone wants Hazama explanations, I can give them. If you want views on other matchups, talk to anyone else who was involved with this chart or you can talk to Stickbug about who was involved. Also, the last JP tier list as far as I know had the same Top 3 as this matchup chart so what's the problem? Arakune is slightly lower than he should be? Tell him to get less bad matchups then. Also, you do realize tier lists and whatever change right? People for the longest time thought Slayer was top tier in GG:AC. Newest tier list before SBO has him mid tier. Then again, you can just read the disclaimer and realize this chart is 100% correct. 3) That's funny cause in the beginning when I made this account, I was providing relevant information to people spewing garbage about Hazama. And you know what happened? A lot of the people arguing with me still held on to their wrong beliefs, even after providing data, facts, examples, etc. And lol at top PSR. That should in no way a factor in anything except my trolling. It's not like I I see something and i'm like "Man this guy is wrong, time to call him a stupid face". I talk to other players I know who actually either a) play the character at a high enough level for me to trust them or b) know what they're talking about in general. 4) I trust Spark and anyone on Vet Coast too. I respect their ability to post relevant data in the sea of wrong called Dustloop and not get mad about it. Alright. That's not me though. But fine, here's your explanation. How the fuck is Mu top tier when off the bat she has bad match-ups with top 3 and other chars such as Tao and maybe Ragna? Her offensive game is average, her defensive game is average, her pokes range from average to good. Arakune has bad matchups too but why he's considered "top" is because of what HEnaki said before: his gimmick ( curse damage ) is way too powerful. Mu doesn't have anything close to that or even anything close to "great". EC EDIT: New JP tier list will also have WC everything in Rachel Tier.