[SpA]Relentless

Implying that Platinum doesn't have mixups...

@tofurr: Nope, Austria. The convention was in Vienna, about 30mins from my home.

I was at an anime convention this weekend because there were several FG tournaments. I was there on Friday, made top 16 in BBCS2. I was there on Saturday, made top 8 in SSF4 (surprised myself tbh). I was NOT there on Sunday because there was only a Smash tournament that day.... And now I'm being told there was a RACHEL COSPLAYER!! Life is just not fair >.>

Makoto (Keita) v. Rachel (memai) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iJhG8OcjjLw#t=5m57s

You have them cornered, you cross them up, they block it and all following mixups -> They can escape and you won't have wind. You have them cornered, you don't cross them up and they block all your mixups -> You can still do pseudo pressure with lobelia and iris and keep them cornered until you get some wind back. If you have enough wind to do double crossups, then you can just as well spend it on normal mixups and high damage corner combos. Rachel's high/low game is just so powerful, she doesn't really need those shenanigans imo. Especially since Rachel's crossups are fairly easy to block.

Actually the problem with this combo when using j.B during filler is one of the reasons I forced myself to learn to only do j.C for the filler. There are just those situations where you don't have that extra wind and it can be the difference between winning and losing.

Why would you want to cross them up in the corner though? Anything you can do afterwards either gets you low damage and only midscreen oki, or costs lots of wind, does decent damage and lets the opponent airtech. Maybe if you had 50% heat for doing a high hitting BBL, then crossing under so they end up in the corner again, or if it kills them. Still, I think it's better to keep them in the corner and just do regular high/low/throw mixups and frametraps with iris and pumpkin. If they block the crossup, then you give up most of your pressure. The risk/reward just isn't quite enough imo.

As long as they don't nerf anything that matters (pumpkin, frog, wind, damage)... Also since CA now takes away a primer from you, I think it's actually a fair change.

You serious... 2 weeks max if you're dedicated. It's not like you have to completely re-learn everything you ever knew :>

The 20 and 160 most likely means "points per second". One wind stock has 200pts.

Arakune v. Rachel (N-O) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xEQ0IY-FfcA#t=9m30s Arakune v. Rachel (N-O?) // Why would he suddenly stop using his card... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xEQ0IY-FfcA#t=12m14s Lambda v. Rachel (N-O) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xEQ0IY-FfcA#t=38m53s Bang (Nezu) v. Rachel (N-O) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xEQ0IY-FfcA#t=50m Bang (Nezu) v. Rachel (N-O) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_1p3miC6yKg#t=2m40s Bang (Nezu) v. Rachel (N-O) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_1p3miC6yKg#t=5m53s Bang (Nezu) v. Rachel (N-O) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_1p3miC6yKg#t=13m51s Bang (Nezu) v. Rachel (N-O) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_1p3miC6yKg#t=20m10s Bang (Nezu) v. Rachel (N-O) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_1p3miC6yKg#t=30m Jin v. Rachel (N-O) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_1p3miC6yKg#t=32m48s Jin v. Rachel (N-O) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_1p3miC6yKg#t=36m48s ^trololol 39:00 onwards Jin v. Rachel (N-O) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_1p3miC6yKg#t=39m40s Litchi v. Rachel (N-O) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_1p3miC6yKg#t=43m13s How is this a 3on3 tournament when half of the videos is just Nezu beating up everyone, and the same players playing multiple times in a row? I'm confused.

Thank you too!

Ehh no, I use "&" all the time and it works. I have some kind of bug where timestamps don't work with longer YT videos, but last time I asked people on this forum noone else had that problem. Okay skip this, with "#" it works for longer vids even for me. Thanks. I know these are 2 different Rachel players, where did I say something else? Thank you!

Seriously this is one of my favorite Rachel players ever (default colored one). I can't explain exactly why and he's doing kind of suboptimal combos sometimes, but he's just so fucking solid. I want to know his name. Tager v. Rachel (N-O) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CzwGRluttLY Hazama v. Rachel (N-O) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CzwGRluttLY#t=2m50s Lambda v. Rachel (N-O) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CzwGRluttLY#t=6m55s Rachel v. Bang (Nezu?) // Could be Nezu but the name of his card differs from earlier videos. Maybe he changed it. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CzwGRluttLY#t=38m10s http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CzwGRluttLY#t=46m55s More to come hopefully.

Kind of old videos but I only just found them know by chance. Tsubaki v. Rachel (Uate) // Seems like a very good Tsubaki, does someone know him/ can someone translate the name? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Axkuinji3g4 (2nd match 5:51) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UjkvylpJZ1A (2nd match 5:21, 3rd match 10:26) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8c-5mQOERgU (2nd match 6:32) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IHPjNULQlxM (2nd match 6:30, 3rd match 12:19 but only one round) ~1 hour of Rachel mirror goodness! Rachel v. Rachel (MASA8 ?) // I don't think the black Rachel here is Uate cause he uses his card later in this set of videos. It could be MASA8 because in a later video there's a black Rachel with no card and he's tagged as MASA8 in the description. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U892EiY1-w8&t=49s Rachel (YAMA) v. Rachel (kaede) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U892EiY1-w8&t=4m54s Rachel (ARiSA) v. Rachel (Ishii) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U892EiY1-w8&t=8m Rachel (Jimumeka) v. Rachel (MASA8 ?) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J9l1FCB4e2c&t=33s Rachel (Kure Hane) v. Rachel (Uate) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J9l1FCB4e2c&t=4m11s Rachel (Ishii) v. Rachel // Help needed here with tagging http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vrnEhvmLGvc&t=1m6s Rachel (Jimumeka) v. Rachel (YAMA) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vrnEhvmLGvc&t=5m21s Rachel (Ishii) v. Rachel (Kure Hane) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xJYU3xmo8z8&t=40s Rachel (Kure Hane) v. Rachel (Jimumeka) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xJYU3xmo8z8&t=6m8s Rachel (Jimumeka) v. Rachel (Ishii) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0nSmtWYjmsw Rachel (kaede) v. Rachel (MASA8) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0nSmtWYjmsw&t=4m25s Rachel (Uate) v. Rachel (Ishii) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0nSmtWYjmsw&t=8m43s Rachel (プレイヤー不明 (Translated: Unknown Player (?))) v. Rachel (MASA8) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wmBhR0k1YvE Rachel (Kure Hane) v. Rachel (Jimumeka) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wmBhR0k1YvE&t=2m38s Rachel (kaede) v. Rachel (MASA8) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wmBhR0k1YvE&t=5m23s Rachel (ARiSA) v. Rachel (Uate) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wmBhR0k1YvE&t=8m52s Seems like he won't be uploading any more videos to youtube. Maybe Uate uploads to nico though and we just don't know, would be interesting.

I'd be interested in seeing those videos. Do you have a link? Or if you have them on your HDD, could you upload them?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZjXDXIhtblc#t=10m53s Is the sickest "Hooray-I-landed-a-throw-but-a-goddamn-pumpkin-will-ruin-my-combo-but-I-need-to-finish-it-or-else-I-will-lose" workaround I ever saw. I think it's useful to know you can do that if such a situation comes up.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4IxpzSt38wY#t=3m43s Is a pretty sick "option select", if you want to call it that. During frog oki, he jumps back, inputs 3D, then holds back again I assume. If the opponent bursts he will block it, but if he doesn't, he can still do mixups and keep up the pressure. A braindead burst bait. I never saw that before. Love it when people come up with stuff like that & just goes to show how creative you can be with wind. He does it in a similar way at 5:15 again. + taunt midcombo before finishing the opponent : DDD trollface.jpg

What if you do 5B > 5CD > 3C > 236B > 5A(1) > jc > j.B > j.C > 2D > djc > j.2C(Lv2) > etc. would this work? The j.B might close the distance enough to allow for j.2C to connect without the need for a short dash before 5A. Or would the j.B just whiff?

I was just about to post this combo. I think he only did the short dash because he started the combo pretty far away. Would require testing though, but if it doesn't need a d.5A from point blank starter (and if it works from worse proration starters) then that's a pretty sick combo to use instead of 3C8D > 5B etc.

Now don't switch things up here. I wasn't talking about how other characters can make their DP safe, I was mentioning how Rachel could make her DP safe if she had one. And it would work just like with 2C - by using it together with frog/pumpkin. Because I sometimes play like a retard and anticipate overheads instead of reacting to them Anyway it just proves my point. The opponent knows I can do nothing against meaties so he can always do them on my wakeup without having to worry about anything. If I had a DP, he'd have to respect it unless he's willing to give up momentum. I never said 2C is worse than a real DP in every aspect - of course the damage potential + oki is an obvious advantage. I am merely saying that a DP is easier to use and covers more options. Players never know how to deal with their own bullshit

Makoto v. Rachel http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8AqTorXJ2qU&t=9m2s Ragna v. Rachel http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8AqTorXJ2qU&t=12m21s Arakune v. Rachel http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z4irux7-1yk&t=4m25s Rachel v. Arakune http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z4irux7-1yk&t=11m59s Rachel v. Makoto http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z4irux7-1yk&t=16m20s Makoto v. Rachel http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HBWO02k8KGU&t=3m13s Makoto v. Rachel http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HBWO02k8KGU&t=8m15s Solid player.

Invincibility has to do with it in that you can't use air pokes to hit him out of Enma, you literally HAVE to barrier block it when you jumped cause everything else means you'll give him a free combo. But yeah, of course mainly because it's airunblockable, and I was too lazy to type it all out (thought it was obvious... I think in CS2 it's always safer to assume that a certain move is air u/b if you don't know for sure, lol). Superjump seems like a fairly good idea to switch things up (and not only in this matchup), I shall try that the next time.

Two more things I was told yesterday: Don't cat chair if he attacks with B moves a lot. He can cancel them into D on reaction and either avoid and punish the cat chair, or catch the cat chair with the counter directly. And don't abuse jump back/IAD back -> pumpkin summon/j236X/etc. if he's about halfscreen away, cause he can catch you with Enma (the uppercut after the command dash) if you're predictable. It's invincible from head to shoulder so you have to barrier block it if he does it while you're in the air.

Cat Chair doesn't need to be baited at all times though cause it loses to throws and meaties - both things that would lose to a real DP. Both have their ups and downs. A real DP could prolly be made safe with setups too. That's got nothing to do with the cat chair. Regardless as you said, she will most likely never get a real DP. And I personally also think 5k+ is a bit over the top for a character that's supposed to have weak defense.