Falco252

https://twitter.com/sirenar/status/622664322708340736 The wolf jauge is 1.5 lower? Or it takes 1.5 less time to replenish it (needs 13 whiffed 5C now, 8 in CF?)? I'm confused so I'd let it to a real translator. The cooldown is the same.

He meant CD or AB follow-up is my guess, since it's the confusion follow-up.

http://personacentral.com/atlus-japan-persona-4-arena-ultimax-stream-august-26/

My bet is the game has a reversible cover, like KoF13 or Catherine (dunno if it's common or not but well)

http://p-ch.jp/news/detail/?nid=183 P4AU officially not region locked in JP, according to Stunedge and other translators.

So... uh VO combo alternate route? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_mwq_l9yjG8 Dunno if there can be a practical use to that but well.

Nope, they said that (with Delta iirc) about the US version. If they're telling the truth, Atlus USA themeselves doesn't know if the game is region locked or not.

Ah okay, my bad then. But most of the time it's better to just do 6C > 236B nonetheless right?

My 2 cents is that it's useless tbh, you use 1GRD block (which are precious especially in some matchups) for the Force Function, and you have less time to do an oki setup if you use 236A (looks like most of them can't even work), while doing 6C > 236B sets the orb too far away from the opponent for him to even try popping it up (and it's not really their priority in their wake up). But yeah trying to find a way to put a force function somewhere in a combo that doesn't end in 6C could be usefull, then keeping the orb in neutral maybe? People probably already thought of that tho

http://vgmdb.net/album/35981 Nope.

Figured it was my fault, wasn't used to j214A delay 623B, and it looks like it's the factor. Looks like the delay needed for 623B is different and is chara specific, gotta try on orie more, I'm more or less confident that it can work on anyone now. Yep I get it on everyone now while half sleepy(except merkava which seems weird, gotta try tomorrow)

So about Vista's combo (combo 5 from the previous post), I did some testing. Didn't bother with 623A for now tho, is it more optimal? I'll try later dash C, no problem Seth Linne Nanase Vatista Nanase Chaos Byakuya Akatsuki Hilda Eltnum dash C, use j.6C, 6C whiffs (this also works for characters where 6C works, but poorer oki? (tested on vatista)) Merkava Orie Hyde Carmine Gordeau Waldenstein : use 6C after delay 623B, orb hits anyways and dash C goes under (can optimize?) I'm not even confirming that 6C doesn't work on the last 5 chars yet (EXCEPT maybe Orie which I really can't get it on), because at first Hilda and Eltnum were in the second group, it looks like it's really dependent on the j.214A > delay 623B timing, I'll try more in a few hours and edit this, this combo is very stable imo since it somehow works on everyone, and pretty easy to pick up.

"9 days" "before a weekend" (NA psn updates a tuesday) idk just an hunch (But yeah Sourenga is clearly unpleasant and obonoxious, that's why he has done so much for the community with translations of a ton of stuff out of his own free will and for free)

About that labwork stuff : 2A > 5C > Orb HIt > 214AC > 6C works or not? > Couldn't get it to work Scott said assault j.A cant CH? Confirm? > Actually it looks like jA can't CH at all (yet it can with training mode's option) For the projectile glitch, I think I got it (3297 instead of 2604, no vorpal, raw IW is normaly 3069) Also for orb hit > 5C > 214CC > 6C > 236B > 214A > 214BB > 22 > 5B > jB > orb hit > 6C I got 2960 instead of 2350, but you really need to be 100000% sure the orb will hit. (If you meant the 6f proration glitch thing and I'm not talking about something entirely different) Video : (was too lazy to remove the fail sorry) : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GoaeUS4J6Ew Surprisingly enough I also got a 3144 or something, can you get first hit of IW then orb hit ?

http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm24267743 Just saw Senaru retweeting this, dunno if this is useful or anything but welp

With all the spread info on multiple pages I think we should have a repository of all cool stuff so people aren't taking a year to find stuff etc, so I did one, if anyone thinks something have been forgotten feel free to ask for additions. (google doc is a pain to add links on, and pastebin doesn't like links either so I'll just put it here) http://www.chainshift.com/ - Database > seth vs XXXXX https://twitter.com/Rion7721 - Rion's twitter https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1De7GMR--Ycdnir8rto3rpztm7_LHeqJYqzyrjYlFviU/edit#gid=1611700088 - Frame datas (others chars too) http://www.dustloop.com/forums/index.php?/topic/8881-uniel-seth/page-2#entry827325 - godlike post with further additions by Vista http://www.dustloop.com/forums/index.php?/topic/8881-uniel-seth/page-3#entry828884 - oki setups things (the google doc is better now I guess) http://www.dustloop.com/forums/index.php?/topic/8881-uniel-seth/?p=829746 - mainly gordeau matchups things http://www.dustloop.com/forums/index.php?/topic/8881-uniel-seth/?p=830469 - more oki tech http://www.dustloop.com/forums/index.php?/topic/8881-uniel-seth/?p=835240 - meaty 66C is always minus https://docs.google.com/document/d/1xCt8Ps5QsUUEbBM3QoiyOzDfqUHNFVtq47vfROkOiSg/edit - Seth read only Brett's notes http://www.dustloop.com/forums/index.php?/topic/8881-uniel-seth/?p=835699 - new 2A bnb http://www.dustloop.com/forums/index.php?/topic/8881-uniel-seth/page-8#entry836373 - new EVEN better 2A bnb http://www.dustloop.com/forums/index.php?/topic/8881-uniel-seth/page-8#entry835900 - Rikir breaking down a 3h rion stream http://www.dustloop.com/forums/index.php?/topic/8881-uniel-seth/?p=836064 - more cool stuff Videos : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BB-BZAv6xYc - Seth combos by Rion (bnbs etc) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zTkSZkFYHqw - Under Night In-Birth Exe Late: Seth 2.02 Combo Video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z2o88Nhmdgc - Under Night In-Birth Exe Late: Seth 2.02 Combo Video 2 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HsgEq56P35E&feature=youtu.be - CMV by Rikir https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZkT3VXlhTSY - UNIEL Seth CMV by Garuo: Time Lag Cloud - http://www.dustloop.com/forums/index.php?/topic/8881-uniel-seth/?p=835146 Combo transcription https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DXsGKPBiO6s - UNIEL - Seth CMV [seth The Kid] Part 1 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZ1qQjtVlRU&feature=youtu.be - 214XA counter os thing https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hJDHWlhf3RY - how crossup protection affects teleport orb crossups I guess https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xmovgkgW5KE - UNIEL official guide subbed by Fragarach https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-0BvaqFz2XI&feature=youtu.be - 623X investigation https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3_D-V-Xw68Y&t=1m12s - Seth punishes merkava's 236C https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLP4iwkTL_yVjCULckXnbfQ6ATVqTlzSB4 - Rikir's youtube playlist

(It was me but yeah) Btw does people have the data for jump startup (it's char specific right?) and fastfall landing recovery? I randomly heard 8f for fastfall but it seems way too short, I tried but since it was my first time I might have forgot something (still did 60fps recording and took into account the first frame) and looked more like 16 to me so idk. (surprisingly enough 8*2 = 16 so maybe the guy tried at 30fps?) Between the "8" input and the first time the sprite is airborne there is five frames http://falco252.net46.net/fgs/5.png but no clue on how the games handle jump starter tbh (any way to try?) To try fastfall I did 2AB > 4 and saw the first frame he walked back, was this right?

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1De7GMR--Ycdnir8rto3rpztm7_LHeqJYqzyrjYlFviU/edit#gid=424144072 Dunno how correct it is and doesn't give active/recovery but well. Also I'm not sure it's perfectly correct, hopefully he did count the one frame with the input display thing or whatever and it's correct and not off by a frame

jC > jB > 5B > 5C > 9 > j.214A combos so idk if he's doing tks, depending on the timing you get one or 2 hits.

That's cause merk's 236C is really hard to punish (some chars can't even punish it without veil off or IWEXs), for other moves just use record mode.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3_D-V-Xw68Y&t=1m12s Seth on punishing Merk's 236C

If you mean from counter grab startup, CS > land > 2C > 214CC > 6C > 236B > j214A > 214BB > 22 > dash C > orb hit > 6C > 236B does work, however, I dunno if my execution was just bad today but it seems harder than the bnb starting from 5B/5C somehow

It's the counter command grab thing if I understood you guys correctly. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZ1qQjtVlRU&feature=youtu.be

That's almost Rion's 2C combo so it should be pretty good (will check a few things on my own about it tho) For reference it's 2C(2) > 623A > 5B > 623B > 214AC > 6C > j236B j214A > 214BB > air backdash > j214A > orb hit > jC > j214A > 214BB > j236B

Honestly on orb starter you're better off the 5B route (http://puu.sh/aC4uw.png) it's doable online tbh