NecroTheReaper

I stopped arguing a bit ago. The reason why I disagree with what you said about the fuzzy is cuz RYO drops it frequently and Lich has it in his Relius guide as "very difficult to impossible".

Can we be done? We've been going on for HOURS because someone said "I heard Relius is the pinnacle of balance".

Pfft, now I'm just gonna laugh. No, its not. Its easily droppable. Easilyd oable on certain characters like Az, Tag, Ragna, but your own damn character even RYO failed to do the fuzzy on twice.

Eh... fuzzy setup ease is debatable, and its not like we're the ones saying its easy, its just what we've been told instant crossups, delayed IAD overheads, empty jump lows, empty jump throws, etc, are just so easy to block. You think we dont USE this mixup? Hell, 6A may be 26f, but we still USE it.

Like I said, I think the definition for good/strong mixup is being mistranslated. I set my standards based pretty much where Relius is. There are people with better mixups than Relius if we're combining mixup and pressure, only a few, but they're there. Higher tier too. Maybe not as dead lockdown as Relius, but I think they feel harder to block. Also, me and Myoro are also kinda affected by I think it was Nemesis' trash talk about Relius mixup being easy to block. Might be wrong, idk xD;

Myoro, I think the issue here is the varying of people's opinion on what "good" mixup is. Ok, to me, good mixup would probably be godlike mixup in most people's dictionaries.

Of course forcing someone to block will make mixup in general better, but you make it sound like no one is ever prepared to block. There's no gimmicks in Relius pressure, no command grabs, no IOH immediate-decide-right-now-your-life-depends-on-it mixups. I feel like you are definitely right but I also don't feel like what I'm saying is wrong if ypu get that

Is there any chance of them making ranked default to a less laggy stage or does that already exist and I'm just stupids?

Yeah, I guess as far as what's going to happen, regardless of your take on how mixup is, it doesn't matter in the end. If you can mixup, its mixup. Also, it doesn't have much to do with 2.0 which is what the big thing is everyone's worryin about. Also, sorry not-lunaris if I came on too much like an asshole just cuz my idea of mixup is different from yours.

I may have been a bit sarcastic, but I'm not trying to insult anyone. Essentially what was going on was an argument between if pressure was mixup, which I believe personally is no.

I'd hope so. I mean, I abuse the hell out of air throws, but teleporting crossup into someone's throw range is rage inducing. Also here a lot of Haku players talk about their magnet feet gettin grabbed out of a lotb ecause of air throw boxes

Oh wow, Relius has strong pressure?! I never knew. Seriously, thank you for backing up what I said.

All of Relius' mixup options are basic. He just has safe access to all of them during pressure. Tick grabs, empty jumps, delayed air dashes, these aren't character specific to Relius. Most unique mixup options Relius has are unblockables, crossup j.2D, and corner fuzzy. Empty jumps/delayed air dashes require respect or high ignis burn (2000 IG for 2D). Anyway, saying his mixup is sub-par isn't an exaggeration, its the massive amount of opportunities he has for safe mixup. Sub par doesn't mean it doesn't work. Its not like you can't guess correctly.

Anyone know if the Jp community is as annoyed with 2.0 as us? I mean, they've actually played the characters we're all complaining about... cept us Relius players. No one knows anything to tell us Relius players.

I enjoyrd extend, but it was the first BB I purchased, so maybe the money-milking bitterness that's soaked into everyone's veins

I need to play you some more. As you saw, I'm terrible in that MU, and good Ragna's are hard to come by. Edit: ggs to Errol. 4 hours of Rachel exp. My mind was about to blow xD. And DAMMIT CAT CHAIR, JUST LET ME WORK.

Ggs to ctrl's room. I swear I don't think I'll ever get the ragna MU completely down. Maybe I meed to watch some more RYO

Because I've been doin a lot of ranked lately due to dead lobbies, why the hell does ranked of all things force you into auto stage select? The LAST place I wanna play is laggy ass snow town or my own level. Just why?

Well since you shared, I'll go ahead and share as well. I'm sure we all know that almost any CH or a 5C crouching hit combos into 6C. What I don't know that everyone knows is if you do 6C>41336B(w), you're still largely + on tech. I'm not too sure of the math, but i think there's like 60f of the opponent being able to do nothing. Gad leis has a total duration of 55f. Firstly, you're like at least +5 on emergency tech. Second, if they delay, they get picked up for a full combo at no ignis cost. A lot of people tend to jump out after this though, and leaves a lot of peope free to an IAD air grab. All of these are good because they give respectable damage with no ignis cost, or put you in a very favorable position. I dunno if you've watched me play, but I use this all the time. Saves ignis, gives damage and oki, whats not to like? Edit: also, why does the frame data say that 6C normal hit should combo into 41236B? Says 6C has 33f hitstun and 41236B has a 30f startup. Logic should dictate that this combos.

Its just a rythm thing. There's a slight pause before each one, cux yoyw anna have the hitstun from the 6D cover the recovery of the first 5B and thr startup of the next 5B. Really this is just an expensive, but easy, way for hitconfirming. The sooner you confirm into 3C, the better. At the very least, 236C.

Netflix, cux its so easy to get access to and is available on so many devices, I get tons of lag at strange times and cant tell wtf is going on. I got purple grabbed twice in a 3 bar connection because of this sheisse.

Those are more blockstring/combo tools anyway. Both have really good range, but are waaaay to slow to use in neutral.6C can be a really hard callout to a bad air approach, with great reward since air hit 6C gives us our BnB for 3k+ damage.

No, Azrael doesn't need to be top tier for forever, but that's a flaw that's going to happen with so many varying playstyles. If Azrael wasn't high tier, you'd just choose another high tier character that you think should be nerfed. I'm surprised you're complaining more about Azrael than Hazama, since as far as I know, he's never been bad.

I dunno exactly how starting to break character design makes things fresh, but it's not a point I'm gonna argue. I'm just sayin there's very few cases where bottom tier suddenly became S tier, but plenty of the reverse. From what I hear, Makoto was gdlk in CS2, and Tsubaki was actually fairly competitive, but since then... not so much. When they can prove a character can be good, taking steps away from that point is stupid.

To be fair, have they even tried making bad characters better? As far as I can see, the only buff they've given to low tier in CP was Bullet's 720 change. You cant say anything is unrealistic when they'd rather make EVERYONE weaker rather than buff bottom tier and tweak top tier.