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Yeah, they're the same.

Sorry to double post, but I gathered interesting information. Arcana Special Height Rank (Lowest to Highest) Group 1: *whiffs no one Dorothy Group 2: *whiffs no one Liese Ange Konoha Group 3: *whiffs short crouchers Catherine Nazuna Group 3.5: *whiffs average crouchers, clashes with group 3 Eko Group 4: *whiffs average crouchers Fiona *probably can clash with Eko Yoriko Maori=Akane=Petra Saki=Lilica=Scharlachrot=Mei-fang Heart Weiss Group 5: *these characters whiff Konoha standing Kamui=Clarice Zenia Elsa Group 6: *whiffs most characters standing Kira I tested with Love laser. Characters clash within their own groups. The information isn't particularly useful except for those that play short characters. It obviously doesn't apply for all Arcana.

Love Max!!!!! never had button-based color select, but that's the control scheme. There's 19(!) colors available, so remembering all of the combinations would just be inconvenient.

Mabushin's setups were really real... Mei-fang is super strong in LM. As woof said, let's step it up!

Did 5B always hit twice? I played Ange quite a bit against new players in AH3 and never saw her swing Merlin.

She's still the second shortest character while crouching (Cathy 5B whiffs her and Konoha). Even so, after blocking one, Cathy has to guess if you'll jump or not (6C or 3C). They have increased recovery so if one would whiff, speed homing up and punish.

Weiss can crouch to avoid high wrecking balls, and high jump in between a gap. If you're being hit by missiles as you approach, you need to take it a little bit slower and mix it up more. Once you get in, you can mix up DP, j.C and grab on her wakeup as long as you're smart with your cancels and she'll be forced to guard cancel to deal with it.

So, it's been a while since the release. Here's some questions to facilitate discussion... 1. What is your favorite change and why? 2. What is your least favorite change and why? 3. How have you had to change or adapt to accommodate changes? 4. Is there anything you are surprised that stayed the same? for me... 1. Probably the ability to EFC air throw. Getting 10k off of air throw is cool. 2. Other than Chibigawa nerfs, Sexy and Cute Hip Drop not being super cancelable is pretty lame. 3. Without Chibigawa, playing more patiently is a must. I used to play RTSD Cathy but without safety afforded by Cheebs it's just not a good idea. 4. Heaven's Fall still forces standing, so there's still nothing non-wind Cathy can do to avoid a sin setup.

i played with cathy for around 2 hours and closest i got was indiscriminately earth 5[E]ing. I don't know what else to try, I suppose metal charge/xh could work.

You were using metal for the lockdown, too, I guess? You didn't use it much when we played last, so I'm guessing there was something wrong with it (lack of meter or neutral tools?). Evil doesn't have great neutral, but you might be able to make something from the movement options and I'm pretty sure you could 4-way off of hole super. Sacred wouldn't have 4-way but you could try using the wall slams for 50-50s and maybe be able to cover yourself with javelins. Punishment is a similar state with 236236E's ground bounce, but the counters and true unblockable E's are something I could see Fiona making use of. Just spitballing, it's worth knowing that Wind is definitely not the only arcana that gets easy access to 4-way mixup.

earth fiona has access to 4-way mixups with air karatov roof into foot. seems to be inubanchou's main reason for picking earth, even if we know him for using charge E defensively.

(DIB) doll inside box (DOB) doll outside box something like (DIB) 5A 5B 236B (DOB) 6D 2C d.5B 5A j.A j.B j.E d.5B j.A j.B j.E for a standard combo

liese doesn't use negative edge for her doll moves. I know that doll moves are notated with d.*X (ie d.5C is doll lariat) but I don't know about liese's boxed/unboxed normals.

What's the deal with Kamui's clash game? A friend of mine is having serious trouble with it. I suspect that she's supposed to play clash super defensive, but he says he often finds himself without jumps in the air.

Love's meter gain and recharge are super good, and it has an excellent toolbox of things. There's no character that can't make decent use of it.

Weiss is no longer super short when she crouches (thankfully), Konoha is the shortest character while crouching. (I believe Cathy 5B only whiffs on crouched Konoha now) EDIT: Weiss is taller than Konoha, but not by much (Cathy 5B still whiffs)

Tyr would be good. It was wrong to discuss it, EFC-only is irrelevant because they all have strengths besides that. Going back to the Lilica and Maori thing, my two cents is to devote time to practicing one character and not screw up their execution, rather than split your attention in case you fail to practice enough. If you're just getting used to the game, Love is probably the best Arcana to pick.

If you only use Arcana for EFC, Thunder's clash on block shouldn't make a difference... Meter gain and health are huge reasons to pick Love. I'm using Love more and more, but mostly play Ice.

I can confirm blocking is possible from super jumping only.

I'm a fan of Sin Eko. Sin Balls really help cover her approach. A cool new change is that A drawings are always tulip/structure, B drawings are always cat/bird, and C drawings are always cloud/sun.

Shinso's played with me enough to know the deal. You should watch nadakaineko's clash tutorial. Clash is integral to Arcana, unlike Guilty Gear. Cathy can have a tough time with clashes due to her slower move set, but that makes it that more important to learn how to do it.

At neutral, you can use Cathy's very high jump to hit opponents with j.B or j.A. Defensively, if they're beating your spin, you need to use 2A more. Some characters with longer range are tough since 2A won't reach them. You can use 5B to start clash and then 2A or lariat appropriately, or perhaps try 5C since it has a long reach and is air unblockable. http://youtu.be/47WjQ_cBMI4

yes, 10000. I'll be finishing my bomb video today.

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Me too. I hope lots of players come tomorrow!