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Hey, they originally said spring. They're already way behind. Has PSN updated today? If it has, we may not be getting it this week. If it hasn't, maybe there's still hope?

That could be a reference to the Rage album XIII, which might make sense as two other Rage albums are already referenced by Guilty Gear (The Missing Link and Black in Mind). Come to think of it, the cover art for that album was an old looking clock with roman numeral letters.

Ryuuka speaks truth. Since you've named yourself Bacon, why not consider playing Bacon? Here, have some Maruken: http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm21445342.

All of those characters have considerably more reward than Liz. Bridget is still not that great, but he's tournament viable, along with everyone else. May is about on par with Bridget, despite her nerfs, and she still doesn't take as much effort. Of those three, I-No is probably the best, but she also takes an insane amount of effort (but that's always been true of I-No). Eddie is probably average reward for above average effort in +R. Of the other characters I've seen you play, A.B.A. gives good reward for effort, but IKs are still a problem. Dizzy is tons of reward for the effort you put in in +R; I think I remember you trying to learn her at some point.

The best is the Heavenly Potemkin Buster animation: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MSkkRHBBLzA.

Thanks again for hosting Tempered, and GGs to everyone who bodied me in Melty, which would be everyone. I am down for +R ranbats.

I plan on stopping by again, probably around 5:30 or 6.

Good to hear. Thanks for the info once again.

7/6/2013 Mikado Stream -- Nakamura Matches Roi vs Nakamura (Millia) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KgFV6IQCaHk&feature=player_detailpage&t=958 Roi vs Nakamura (Millia) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KgFV6IQCaHk&feature=player_detailpage&t=1440 7/20/2013 Mikado Stream -- Inoue Matches Roi vs Inoue (HOS) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hyPbl6acUsk&feature=player_detailpage&t=278 Roi vs Inoue (HOS) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hyPbl6acUsk&feature=player_detailpage&t=576 8/1/2013 Mikado 3on3 Roi vs Tanabata (Slayer) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yhNP-fMc9m8&feature=player_detailpage&t=202 Roi vs Nage (Faust) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yhNP-fMc9m8&feature=player_detailpage&t=372 Roi vs TON (Justice) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yhNP-fMc9m8&feature=player_detailpage&t=600 NOB vs Kiisha (Faust) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8zB9K9D9YVA&feature=player_detailpage&t=617 Roi vs Okoko (Robo) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U5RRszHof3w&feature=player_detailpage&t=30 Roi vs Hasshi (Potemkin) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U5RRszHof3w&feature=player_detailpage&t=159 Roi vs Yuuta (Jam) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U5RRszHof3w&feature=player_detailpage&t=323 Roi vs OsakaB (Faust) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U5RRszHof3w&feature=player_detailpage&t=455 Roi vs AGF (Anji) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1E5f7SIf9uk&feature=player_detailpage&t=12 Roi vs Satou (Johnny) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1E5f7SIf9uk&feature=player_detailpage&t=188

So... how many reps of dustloop can you do?

I'm not expecting it all to be answered right away, or all at once. =P Thanks for posting all this info, ElvenShadow.

How about OTGs, ground teching, and instant kills?

Pretty sure Chipp's wakeup timing is slower not faster (unless it depends on whether he is facing down or up?), but yeah, I understand more where you're coming from now. In terms of wakeup timing, I think you're complaining more about a character like Testament who gets up just slightly slower. I don't find it that hard to adjust to, but it does occasionally throw off one setup I have where I land a near-perfect meaty low on oki. I still disagree about the jump difference rule -- those couple of minute frames make a pretty significant difference. It really helps someone like Millia, while it really hurts someone like Axl, yet there's only a one frame difference between the two. I think that's a good example of very small, almost imperceptible changes going a long way, while I mostly agree that a 2 frame slower wakeup on, say, Testament probably does not really need to be there. Basically, if something is a significant tweak to what a character can and cannot do, good, but if it's only messing with a little bit of timing memorization, then I can see a much stronger case being made against it. EDIT: Speaking of which, anyone have that chart that used to show the different characters' wakeup times? I can't seem to find it.

So what if two characters have noticeably slower wakeup timing? I can usually adjust to Chipp just fine, but it's another little thing he has to prevent people from keeping their momentum against him, as he dies really fast if people can keep their momentum against him. And A.B.A.'s is, I think, more important. Unless I'm greatly mistaken, that long wakeup time lets you get IKs off against her, which is a pretty huge part of her balance. Moroha mode is great, but it has a huge risk if it runs out. I'm not saying there aren't better options out there for balancing, but I don't think two characters with different wakeup timings is necessarily bad, or lazy. And jump startup is a really small thing. It's helpful for characters like Millia who have a faster jump startup (unless I'm mistaken about this, too), as she doesn't have many other ways out of pressure aside from backdash and jump. Little details like that may not seem like much, and there may be other ways to balance the game instead, but that doesn't mean they're bad, and they can still be important.

Most characters in GG have very similar wakeup timing. Only a few characters are that noticeably different, namely Chipp and A.B.A. There are some minor differences between other characters, but it's not really a big deal and usually won't affect oki that significantly. And yes, the wakeup timings are part of the balance of the game. I think Chipp's is mostly just there to throw people off -- and honestly, he needs it -- while A.B.A.'s lets people get off their IKs more easily when she runs out of Moroha meter. EDIT: I removed those last two sentences but Henaki quoted them before I removed them, so I added it back in.

GGs in GG. +R Sol is super fun.

Ok, cool. Any idea how long you will be there? I would like to stop by, but I don't think I'll be able to make it until later.

Are people playing +R today? If so, when and where?

360 release date is pretty nebulous right now; ArcSys has asked XBox users to wait a bit longer. PSN will almost certainly be out first.

I hope you're right. I don't really know how PSN works, I just heard that it updates Tuesday. I could very easily be wrong.

Apparently +R just got released to Japanese PSN. It's not on US PSN, though, so I'm guessing the rest of us will have to wait until next week. EDIT: Someone's saying the Tuesday-only updates don't apply to patches. So maybe we won't have to wait that long? Who knows.

That's the speculation. But since US PSN updates on Tuesdays (today) and it's not there, I'm guessing we'll get it next week. =/

Try this: http://shoryuken.com/2013/08/05/chipp-may-venom-and-potemkin-announced-for-guilty-gear-xrd-sign/

They don't seem to be aging up the characters at all. Well, whatever. lol Potemkin

It has been far too long since I played Tempered in Guilty Gear. GGs, and thanks again for hosting. And GGs to Ryuuka in Melty.