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Guys, save that kind of speculation for the appropriate thread.

It's clearer to say that "Diva" = "Justice" as Justice's DNA was incorporated into Valentine's being...this doesn't mean that Valentine became "complete" so much though... And yes, I'm not quite clear on the whole Solaria/Marina thing either, yet... As Suzaku stated, Marina bore the sigil of Justice (I'm not sure the significance of that or if it was planted or what)...and Blackard Company held Solaria in a certain place (Raven told Sol not to go near her). Solaria's "song" even caused Sol's body to react (I recall seeing a pic or two of this). Eventually Sol finds Solaria and puts her in Ky and IPF's custody. As for how Solaria's related to Marina, I'm not sure. I'd have to look it over again. I'm fairly sure that Marina is human for the most part though.

I agree, but more information needs to support the current info available, i.e. even little details like I-no's guitar being named "Marlene" shouldn't be missed.

I'm curious to know where in the timeline each of these take place...

@Wendy That's plausible, but it may just be she (Valentine) wanted Justice's DNA because it was the closest to "Pure" Gear DNA. If I'm understanding the nature of how Gear DNA works...to some extent it grants great power (of varying elements) and nigh-immortality and healing ability. Nearly anyone would want it... Theoretically, she wasn't just trying to obtain Justice's DNA, she was trying to find the original formula for the ultimate Gear, since it's logical that the lower the production model the more refined the genetic sample. In reality, that formula is inside Frederick's body, insomuch that he's the prototype Gear.

Don't ever say that about my Darkside-Ky, Zazz or he will retaliate. @Raging Tofu+Lou_Cypher: Whoa whoa whoa slow down guys! I'll answer your questions about Lightning the Argent soon enough, but you have to give me time! I'm still working on working out A.B.A.'s backstory as well as finishing up the Night of Knives summary I was working on. Patience is a virtue. Edit: Since people are probably chomping at the bit to know who Solaria and Marina are, I'll give a quick "jist" of it. Blackard Company basically created a Command Type Gear "Solaria" in secrecy and started harvesting her blood for medicinal purposes (illegal drugs/healing tonics/etc). One of their test subjects happened to be a paraplegic girl by the name of Marina. According to Faust, Marina began to exhibit gear-like behaviors for a time, but through some effort, the drug they used was taken out of her system. My memory on the details is fuzzy but basically Ky manages to recover Solaria and take her into custody, and he goes to visit Marina and check up on her. As for Kyrie, I'm drawing a blank at the moment, or they are fan-created, one of the two. By the way, before I hurt any more ignorant people, I want you all to read this: http://guiltygear.liquidfists.com/information.htm Memorize it and learn from it.

Ugh... You've got it backwards from what I said. If people are going to theorize the connection, start with this: Aria/Frederick/That Man work on the Gear Project: Frederick is designed as the Prototype (aka Sol) Based on that prototype design the first model in a series, the "Command Gear Type" is made, namely Justice. Things we know about Justice: --Being designed as a weapon and at one point playfully mocking Sol prior to his obtaining the Fireseal Sword (i.e. she spared him). --A re-encounter with Sol near the end of the Crusades with the Fireseal (a fragment of OutRage) results in weakening her severly, enough for the Seikishidan to seal her up in a Dimensional Prison that can only be activated via some form of blood pact. --We are aware that her DNA is sealed by That Man in the Backyard in an object known as the Cube and can only be unlocked by a variant of said DNA. --During the recruitment tournament some five years after the Crusades, Justice is unsealed by Testament via the blood pact, but this is short lived. As Sol proceeds to destroy her, with Ky at some point looking on (having witnessed Kliff Undersn's death as a result here.) --She mentions having wished she could again talk "just the three of us" in reference to the Gear Project when speaking to The Flame of Corruption (we do not know if this was before, during, or after being created and/or converted...we just know this event occurs, we also only know this particular conversation involves That Man and Sol, Justice does NOT call him Frederick) shortly before her death at Sol's hands. Things we know about Dizzy: --She is confirmed to refer to Justice as "mother" meaning she is Justice's Daughter (this occurs on two occasions, in the Drama CD and GGXXAC+). We do NOT know the significance of the relationship, or whether it is on a genetic level or even if it refers to being a clone or backup...only that the relationship is maternal. --Has some connection to the OutRage via the symbols in her ring, which were originally designed by Frederick AFTER his Gear conversion. Things we know about the "Lady under the Shaded Tree": --She is classified as Justice's Backup and so there is a link between her and Justice. To clarify, we do NOT know if that means she is related or is a clone or both or not...just that she is called a "backup" nothing more. --Her body began to wither as the result of some unknown disease and through certain methods using the Thunderseal Sword (also a fragment of OutRage), Ky Kiske was able to seal her body to an extent to prevent her from being killed. --Her son is Sin, and therefore he carries Justice's DNA, which is capable of unlocking the Cube in Backyard, which has a complete strand sample of Justice's DNA. --Dr. Paradigm mentions in a side-comment manner (during the scene when Ky/Sol/Izuna/Dr.P are observing the sealed woman) about a story "he heard about" referring to a rogue Gear with a bounty on its head some years ago...while most of us consider this to be Dizzy, he does NOT specify nor does he say this gear is the same person as Sin's Mother. We don't even know if this is even related to the topic they mentioned beforehand. Things we know about Valentine: --She is mentioned as being a "clone" of Aria by That Man. --Through forceful methods she is able to obtain Sin's DNA and as a result Justice's DNA and become the creature known as "Diva"...we do NOT know if Diva is the same as Justice or is a quasi-amalgamation of Justice/Aria's DNA or a "completed Justice" only that Valentine was able to obtain Justice's DNA, which could mean ANYTHING. --She claims to be doing this for Aria's sake, or rather that she is working under an existence/organization/group that is related to Aria. We do not know anything further regarding this except that the possibility is that Aria may still be alive and exist. (Unlike the original Justice who was killed by Sol, who prayed for her soul soon afterwards). Things we know about Aria: --She looks exactly like Valentine, who is the only CONFIRMED character she resembles. --Valentine is her ONLY CONFIRMED clone. --She appears to have had a relationship with Frederick and That Man during the Gear Project...this is, to an extent, reflected in various bizarre quotes said by Valentine in various scenes prior to Diva's defeat. Having said all that...if Aria truly WAS Justice, then Dizzy COULD look like Aria, and Sin's Mother COULD also look like Aria...if you were to base the theory on appearance, which, to me makes no sense at all.

People keep saying "Justice looks like Valentine" when all we have for evidence is red hair... If you're going to make that argument why not try and see the resemblance in Dizzy to Aria...make the jump people...

I hate speculating outside the GG Story thread, if you guys wanna speculate, save it for that, this thread is for CONTENT.

That's assuming Aksys doesn't beat me to the translations first. Movelist-wise I would like detailed descriptions of everything, including what Servants do. I've written down a few movelists for Dr. P/Sin/Valentine/Raven and added a few moves for Sol and Ky as well, but details-wise, I'm in the dark since I dunno what these moves do. I'd probably have to tinker with these games in detail to get a better idea. Edit: If anyone REALLY wants to know what moves I've found, you can find them here: http://mimeblade.oddigytitanium.com/Guilty_Gear/Guilty_Gear_Quote_Project/Move_List.txt

I hate it when people do that but don't explain how they got ahold of said artworks....dammit why am I always the last to know this stuff!!

We'll know more when it hits stateside...till then I ain't guessing anything.

Quoted for TRUUUUUUUUTH. Zazz, stop spreading rumors!

Advice regarding that?

It's basically tapping forward before the hadouken motion.

EDIT: FINE! PM me like you're embarassed...I see how it is! @creeping shadow: come up and play sometime, man, name something 2D for PS2 and I most likely have it.

HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM..... This makes me wonder at the picture Axl refers to regarding Sol as a kid...

Now THAT is true.

That's wrong too, they're Pink!

Not true. Play GG Isuka.

Dammit! Bribe em if you gotta! Tell em it's not just for GG, I got Samurai Showdown Anthology, MKAnthology/Armageddon, Spectral VS Generation, MVC2, CVS2, SVCChaos, MeltyBloodReACT, SFAnniversary, Saint Seiya the Hades, Sengoku Basara X, Hokuto no Ken, and a ton of other games I forgot... Someone, please, just play me in Milwaukee...I'm dying here!!

If only BB had Jump Install...

Safest times to do Grand Viper IMO: -5K/5S Gatling land either close or far... -6H Stagger (first or second hit lands) -Projectiles and moves such as: Stun Edge, CSE, Sacred Edge, Low Stun Raise FB (has to be close and high enough to go under), Stinger, Dark Angel, N.B., Butterfly, Ghosts, Ririri Scalpel Thrust, Robo-Joust, Robo-Bazooka, "predicted" Dandy Step. Correct me if I'm wrong guys but what else can GV go under/punish?

This has always been a problem for me, more for Sol than Order Sol, since he has better mixup options (i.e. LV3 BHB into 5D). I've wanted to learn how to "trick" people into a Dust combo for a while now with him, but I haven't quite got the knack for it. Obviously you use Dust to break turtling or when people are trying to avoid overhead projectiles, but Sol doesn't have any of that. What kind of tricks can Sol use to start Dust Combos, even if they aren't entirely part of his game?

TR Forcebreak, even Fafnir FB is a good followup on a successful Bandit Bringer ground slide as it hits low for relaunch! If I'm being Flashy, sometimes I do this: *land successful Grand Viper* 8 Hit Clean Hit...FAFNIR..TR FB in the corner, j.S Sidewinder Clean Hit, let them bounce back, j.S Sidewinder Cleanhit again...forgot how to finish this combo but it does nasty damage.