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I'm salty. :P sAlt Chaos

Haku changes are dumb. They seem to want to nerf him but nerf the things that don't even make him a problem. I don't think people getting zoned out by Haku are like DAMN IF ONLY HIS 2D DIDN'T COMBO I WOULD TOTALLY WIN THIS THING. I swear I could do a better job of balancing him. >_> I am enraged. :P Counters are my favorite part of Hakumen and if you can't even make people scared of them then they lose half their use. Oh well. Still just a loketest and all that.

Well, there'll be more tests for all we know. If the changes to the counters stay though I'll be saddened since that was always my favorite part of Hakumen. I never liked how they nerfed his counters from CT to CS in the first place. Counters are the most skillful defensive reversal option out of all the possible things people can do and it should be rewarded. If you can't make the opponent hurt from then then they have no reason to fear them and they lose all their effectiveness in making them play more carefully.

lol, back to CT. Except without the good parts. :P

Well, everyone can just fill in the blanks for that one.

Watching this stream makes me want to play with everyone. :P

I agree with Axis. I don't see anything that changed in the matchup that would make it go 6/6.5. If anything Tager got all his Gadget RC fling shenanigans...

I thought that was weird... Generally after 2D, you want to do 2D > 5C > 623AA > falling j.2C > 2C > j.2A > etc. The timing of the 5C is different depending on what character... some are too small and the 5C will whiff because of its shortened range.

I don't think it's that big a deal. I don't even use 4C as much as I used to against good Tagers... you should be watching out for j.C.

I saw it! Next time Axis won't be getting any random MTW wins. :P

Yeah, it keeps messing me up. I block MTW in the air and expect a crossup and end up crossing myself up I knew something had changed! I thought I was losing my mind. :8/:

You mean "don't think"?

Tager can get close. It just takes slowly working your way in. It's just that if you're the kind of guy that just wants to go balls to the wall all out on someone then it's going to seem like a boring, grindingly slow match as Tager inches his way in. Basically, I guess what I'm wondering is what changed in the matchup, because from me playing it, it feels the same way it did in CT. As far as Haku zoning out Tager, he pretty much had the same toolset in CT, or at least moves that functioned the same way. In CS I use j.C to keep him out of the air and 4C on the ground, in CT I used 6A to keep him out of the air and 6C on the ground. You can keep him out until he gets you magnetized, and when he gets in he can end the round. It was 5.5 Tager's favor in CT and in CS it was considered 5.5 Haku's favor. So for it to go from 5.5/4.5 to 6.5/3.5 seems to be a bit dramatic. I never felt that Tager was helpless or anything; you poke him to keep him out doing a little damage, but if he gets in he makes it all up and more. I'm just curious what you guys are thinking. Looking at the overall matchup for Tager though, it doesn't make sense to me that Haku/Tager would be 3.5 for Tager but Mu/Tager would be 5-5... I'm pretty sure that Mu can shut down Tager a lot more effectively, so she would have to be much higher there, right?

The Hakumen numbers make sense. I'm not sure if Tager Haku is 6.5 but maybe a Tager player can say something. Maybe 6/4? I dunno. Anything specific that made you put it at 6.5?

I was curious about that too.

lol, what difference does it make? I didn't know logic and knowledge were tied into BlazBlue rankings, although I would have done better if I was able to use my pad on 360 instead of stick which I was just learning. I was mainly there for the fun of the event though. But what exactly do you have a problem with anyway?

I actually totally forgot about this, but now that you mention it I think I want to go... it depends how work looks by the time it rolls around.

what lol, stay gdlk

Nope.

lol, it's not a serious matchup chart guys, why are you even asking :P They just threw some random numbers together and were like LOL LET'S TROLL.

I like how the Hazama music comes in just as he trolls him just like in the story mode. You should make it so the dialogue boxes only appear when they say it.

The gauntlet is thrown!

Wait... Makoto vs Tager in Tager's favor? Whoa. In fact a lot of the Tager ones look off. :P Zidane, what do you think the Tager Hazama matchup is?