KrazySh0t Posted July 8, 2009 Posted July 8, 2009 I seem to be going up against Hackumen that throw their C attacks around and when he throws his C attacks around, that sword can cover alot of space and I find it hard to get in on him. His j.C always seems to beat me out no matter what jump attack I use. The only thing going for me is that I haven't ran into any Hakumen that know how to do combos with him.
jinxhand Posted July 8, 2009 Posted July 8, 2009 I have fought a few Hakumen, and the only thing I can suggest is to not rushdown, but have him come to you. He has enough moves to stop your attack from almost any angle. I try to bait him to do a move and then catch him with a bnb combo, or mixups. The throw to 214A works for me, as I can do her super as soon as I land.
Kirbeh Posted July 8, 2009 Posted July 8, 2009 Yeah, rushing down is pretty dangerous against Hakumen as he has several options to stuff your attempts. Staying chill is the best thing you can do.
Gambit Posted July 8, 2009 Posted July 8, 2009 Does anyone know the matchup stat between these 2? some of Noel's Invul Drive startups doesnt work due to his long animation slashes. If ever he comes for you, Each mistake would be crucial since the guy doesnt really hit for a FAIR amount of damage. LOL. I always try to rush him down. predicting the times he would use his counters or what not. There are times whenever we both jump on a close range where I tap the FD button (Sorry guilty gear terminologies LOL) and immediately follow it up with the grab button. if ever he counters, he gets grabbed... and if ever he slashes, its a quick block then grab. The guys beats a lot of my long range pokes as well as my would be startups. I end up pressuring myself when hit by his 3 hit combo XD:gonk:
KrazySh0t Posted July 9, 2009 Author Posted July 9, 2009 I tried to be defensive against him but I still have trouble against him. His range is far superior with that sword. The only thing going for me seems to be the startup frames from all his C attacks, but that coupled with the range means that when I try to close the distance, I get beat out.
superclack Posted July 9, 2009 Posted July 9, 2009 j.C loses horribly to 6A. If they start trying to jump in and j.D you can see it coming (because the j.C is so huge and obvious) and counter it by waiting or using an air throw. Spacing needs to be right though or he'll go over your head.
excelence Posted July 10, 2009 Posted July 10, 2009 .... predicting the times he would use his counters or what not. ... Any good Hakumen wouldn't predict his opponent movement but react to and counter it ... but if they spam counter... anything goes and all Hakumen C has pretty fast startup imo but the recovery time is awful, and if i didn't mistaken, Noel can 3c his 6c
Gambit Posted July 10, 2009 Posted July 10, 2009 Any good Hakumen wouldn't predict his opponent movement but react to and counter it ... but if they spam counter... anything goes and all Hakumen C has pretty fast startup imo but the recovery time is awful, and if i didn't mistaken, Noel can 3c his 6c What I meant to say was: if ever he decides to counte, I always make it a point to watch out for it . LOL. I basically rush him down, trying not to give him an opening. quite hard, but I'd rather take him head on than play defensive. You getting close to him is different from him getting close to you. Its scarier that way XD:gonk:
CABC Posted July 11, 2009 Posted July 11, 2009 I've found this is a matchup where you really gotta avoid drive moves unless they're guaranteed, and even then stick to shorter combos ( I believe the 6B > 6A loop works though since you bounce him o: ). You've gotta play a lot of zoning against him, which sucks because he has a great zoning game. But once you're in his face don't let him get away, finish him off asap xD This video might help a lot ^^ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p5TahDc7iOk
Kirbeh Posted July 11, 2009 Posted July 11, 2009 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vot325lmOgU&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fuser%2FKirbehMKII&feature=player_profilepage This one is good too
Steez Posted July 11, 2009 Posted July 11, 2009 I just use that strat from that one vid that tells you to j.D right before you land so that you're already in drive. Once you have that going, just do it almost right in front of him ( Just out of his range though) then 214D to get around him, hit him to the other side of the screen and unleash a combo on him. That's how I usually get them at least. Or have them come to you, that works too, as someone else just said.
CABC Posted July 11, 2009 Posted July 11, 2009 I just use that strat from that one vid that tells you to j.D right before you land so that you're already in drive. Once you have that going, just do it almost right in front of him ( Just out of his range though) then 214D to get around him, hit him to the other side of the screen and unleash a combo on him. That's how I usually get them at least. Or have them come to you, that works too, as someone else just said. That can work well but you get punished pretty hard if he sees through it and backdashes/guards/counters/etc... you don't want Hakumen to not be stunned while you're in drive xD
Sarsapari Posted July 13, 2009 Posted July 13, 2009 Found something interesting. A lot of Hakumen are IAD jC happy, and a well spaced jC is almost impossible to anti air. However, if you time it right you can 5D right through jC and make him eat a lot of pain.
BlaqCat Posted July 26, 2009 Posted July 26, 2009 Hey this matchup brings a question to mind. As far as Hakumen's slashes high slashes, will they trump Noel's 5D( supposably high invul)? I seem to get hit out of it alot by my brother's Hakumen.
excelence Posted September 14, 2009 Posted September 14, 2009 Found something interesting. A lot of Hakumen are IAD jC happy, and a well spaced jC is almost impossible to anti air. However, if you time it right you can 5D right through jC and make him eat a lot of pain. Ok where exactly a good range for his jc to be almost impossible to anti air? i fight Hakumen a lot this past few weeks, and he's pretty stressed up with aerial approach since everything got beaten up with Noel 6a and jb
byronyuq Posted October 21, 2009 Posted October 21, 2009 from my experience, hakumen always tries to do 6b when i jump in the air. in order to avoid that, i either do drive or jump again. when he jumps, i jump right after and do C right after so it comes out before he even pushes the button. i also spam 236c when he's far away. whenever he gets in close, i would do 1c 2d and start from there, although ive never beaten him when he is actually serious...
byronyuq Posted October 21, 2009 Posted October 21, 2009 Hey this matchup brings a question to mind. As far as Hakumen's slashes high slashes, will they trump Noel's 5D( supposably high invul)? I seem to get hit out of it alot by my brother's Hakumen. i think 5D only goes through projectiles... from what my bro says XD
excelence Posted October 21, 2009 Posted October 21, 2009 IIRC 6b has low hit box, never seen this used for mid air target
byronyuq Posted October 21, 2009 Posted October 21, 2009 IIRC 6b has low hit box, never seen this used for mid air target wait, i forgot what that shoulder butt combination is, since i dont use him... but its that cheap anti-air >:O
Senovit Posted October 21, 2009 Posted October 21, 2009 It's his 6A. Be careful about 236C spam, because he can dash in and hit you before you even recover. Also, 5D goes through everything that hits head. It will get hit by projectiles if they are only projectile type and not head invinc.
byronyuq Posted October 22, 2009 Posted October 22, 2009 It's his 6A. Be careful about 236C spam, because he can dash in and hit you before you even recover. Also, 5D goes through everything that hits head. It will get hit by projectiles if they are only projectile type and not head invinc. well, he usually tries to counter it or instant block it. he only dashes in after he does either one of those. thats why i do 236B right after
excelence Posted October 22, 2009 Posted October 22, 2009 Hakumen didn't even need Kisshu to counter 236c, he can just iadJ.C and makes your day whenever he sees Noel do Optic Barrel
qwerty Posted October 22, 2009 Posted October 22, 2009 noel players need to learn to mix up, imo. too much 3C, which is free counter on reaction for me.
ioKain Posted October 22, 2009 Posted October 22, 2009 Hakumen's need to learn to mix up, imo. too much air dash, which is a free 6A for me.
dragontamer Posted October 22, 2009 Posted October 22, 2009 Lol. Against Hakumen, I sit there waiting for them to air dash at me. The n00bs come in, eat an air combo, fall to the ground, and repeat until they die. The better ones sit there and wait. Thats when I realize that they have like 5 stars built up because I've been doing nothing
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