Queue III Posted August 16, 2009 Posted August 16, 2009 The game is pretty balanced with the exception of top 3 Let's look at that statement this way. 1/4 of the cast is too powerful (3). 1/6 is too weak (2). 1/2 is fair(6). 1 depends on an infinite. (though, I forget his name, one Carl mainer is fantastic using all of his other tools) errmmm. Doesn't look quite as good. And when you look at all the matchups in the tournament, a huge percentage had one person as a top 3 character. That's sort of sad, but the good thing is they didn't always win because the top 3 aren't way way above the others, and frankly, this is a fighting game and it's pretty much guaranteed not to be perfect.
Spirit Juice Posted August 16, 2009 Posted August 16, 2009 Anyone know what happened with these Litchi's? Did they find some improved corner rape that borders on Carl's clap loop? Looking at the top 16, and to a lesser extent, the top 8, I am bit disappointed in the amount of "cheese" in the character spread. The only real surprises are Dora(Bang) and a Tao. All the other characters are either zoners or have near infinite combo loops. Again, I'm guessing these Litchi's have discovered some really long corner combo string and are really good at getting people in it. This is pure speculation of course, as I have no clue what actually went down. But for a rushdown-aggressive centric game, there is a disappointing lack of those characters in the end rounds. Overall, yeah I'm wanting a patch like pretty much everyone else. lol wut @ this post
Hatred Edge Posted August 16, 2009 Posted August 16, 2009 I mean shit, 2 litchis, a carl and a dora made it, pretty suprised it wasnt a racheal/nu/arakune vs nu fight for the finals Yes. We need more Dora players.
Shining Aquas Posted August 16, 2009 Posted August 16, 2009 Looking at the top 16, and to a lesser extent, the top 8, I am bit disappointed in the amount of "cheese" in the character spread. The only real surprises are Dora(Bang) and a Tao. All the other characters are either zoners or have near infinite combo loops. Again, I'm guessing these Litchi's have discovered some really long corner combo string and are really good at getting people in it. This is pure speculation of course, as I have no clue what actually went down. But for a rushdown-aggressive centric game, there is a disappointing lack of those characters in the end rounds. If you think we (as in the Litchis) rely on infinites then you're crazier than that Psyduck over thar --> Also: Rachel/Arakune/Nu vs Storm/Sentinal/Magneto. Let's rock.
kro_ Posted August 16, 2009 Posted August 16, 2009 Let's look at that statement this way. 1/4 of the cast is too powerful (3). 1/6 is too weak (2). 1/2 is fair(6). 1 depends on an infinite. (though, I forget his name, one Carl mainer is fantastic using all of his other tools) errmmm. Doesn't look quite as good. And when you look at all the matchups in the tournament, a huge percentage had one person as a top 3 character. That's sort of sad, but the good thing is they didn't always win because the top 3 aren't way way above the others, and frankly, this is a fighting game and it's pretty much guaranteed not to be perfect. Hey, that looks just like a bell curve to me.
faultydefense Posted August 16, 2009 Posted August 16, 2009 Yes. We need more Dora players. the learning curve is ridiculous
Darkhonor90 Posted August 16, 2009 Posted August 16, 2009 Let's look at that statement this way. 1/4 of the cast is too powerful (3). 1/6 is too weak (2). 1/2 is fair(6). 1 depends on an infinite. (though, I forget his name, one Carl mainer is fantastic using all of his other tools) errmmm. Doesn't look quite as good. And when you look at all the matchups in the tournament, a huge percentage had one person as a top 3 character. That's sort of sad, but the good thing is they didn't always win because the top 3 aren't way way above the others, and frankly, this is a fighting game and it's pretty much guaranteed not to be perfect. the 1/6(2) is too weak when compared to the top 3. Their other matchups are just fine. 1/2(6) being fair is great if the game was actually of 9. and the 1 infinte was just a fluke found out and it isn't really all to go ape shit about. Im not saying remove the characters just that the game does need a big nerf of the top 3 and a bit on the others. So like i said if you take out top 3 in theory Tager vs Litchi or Hakumen vs Jin are good matchups compared to Tager vs Arakune and Hakumen vs V-13
Queue III Posted August 16, 2009 Posted August 16, 2009 Hey, that looks just like a bell curve to me. i don't want a bell curve with character balance
ShinobiBrown Posted August 16, 2009 Posted August 16, 2009 Or you could just take out Tager The hell? You can't take out THE POWER OF SCIENCE. Are you mad!? He's the token grappler.
epicdamage4673 Posted August 17, 2009 Posted August 17, 2009 This is at the guy that said 11 of the top 16 were the power 3. That may be true but damn if they didnt get there asses handed to them on a silver platter by the low and mid tier cuz only 4 of them made it in the top 8. Just shows ppl that are like im going pick top tier cuz blah blah dont mean shit cuz when the time came to put up or shut up just about all got shut up by the players with better skill....i mean a carl....a bang....and 2 shitty damage litchis even with riichi combos made it to top 8?....come on seriously?...in sbo?....in japan?..japan?...yea whatever to that posts. I pretty sure nobody and i mean nobody saw the 4 that i just named making it to top 8 when youve got jin,noel,tao who are far better overall. PLAYER SKILL..........
faultydefense Posted August 17, 2009 Posted August 17, 2009 This is at the guy that said 11 of the top 16 were the power 3. That may be true but damn if they didnt get there asses handed to them on a silver platter by the low and mid tier cuz only 4 of them made it in the top 8. Just shows ppl that are like im going pick top tier cuz blah blah dont mean shit cuz when the time came to put up or shut up just about all got shut up by the players with better skill....i mean a carl....a bang....and 2 shitty damage litchis even with riichi combos made it to top 8?....come on seriously?...in sbo?....in japan?..japan?...yea whatever to that posts. I pretty sure nobody and i mean nobody saw the 4 that i just named making it to top 8 when youve got jin,noel,tao who are far better overall. PLAYER SKILL.......... lol go to the bang forums, we all new DORA was gonna make it there were also a lot of BLEED hopefuls you also have to take into consideration that A) litchi's damage isnt all that bad and it resets itself and usually always give corner KD, and B) that a lot of the top 3 were taken out by other top 3
epicdamage4673 Posted August 17, 2009 Posted August 17, 2009 Yea this true there were a lot of top tier matches to say the least. But i guess thats what you expect when you pick top tier simply for tier. I still say in the right hands the advantage went to the underdogs and it showed.
Chaotic Blue Posted August 17, 2009 Posted August 17, 2009 This is at the guy that said 11 of the top 16 were the power 3. That may be true but damn if they didnt get there asses handed to them on a silver platter by the low and mid tier cuz only 4 of them made it in the top 8. Just shows ppl that are like im going pick top tier cuz blah blah dont mean shit cuz when the time came to put up or shut up just about all got shut up by the players with better skill....i mean a carl....a bang....and 2 shitty damage litchis even with riichi combos made it to top 8?....come on seriously?...in sbo?....in japan?..japan?...yea whatever to that posts. I pretty sure nobody and i mean nobody saw the 4 that i just named making it to top 8 when youve got jin,noel,tao who are far better overall. PLAYER SKILL.......... You do understand that carl has a 100% combo right? three of the eight were mid/low tier (technically two since there were two litchi's) the rest of the top 16 were top three. I swear people who say arakuna/nu/carl don't need nerfing and that other people just need to learn their gimmicks and stop complaining probably hasn't been clap looped for 100% for two rounds, or taken out in tournament by a 3 day nu. lol. Chaotic Blue puts in BB
Brent-quest Posted August 17, 2009 Posted August 17, 2009 Results give some hope to the game. Tager and Hakumen are still garbage. 2 Litchi's in top 8 made me happy. GJ Dora and Kyaku for beating their respective Nyu's. Curse you Arakune.
Meaty Moments Posted August 17, 2009 Posted August 17, 2009 what thrilling results! and about the balance issues, let me remind you all that as developers (as in business men in women trying to make a profit) they also need to balance their characters--not just against each other--but towards making their game accessible to a wider audience vs. the hard core crowd (us). Which is why there's Jin and Noel, and then Carl. At a more casual level to intermediate level, this game could definitely be argued as being NOT balanced at all! While the peoples playing this SBO gig would find the game's much more fair across the board. Me, playing carl (and being intermediate and losing to beginner arakunes and tactful but still sucky haku-mens, while tearing apart tagers who are better players than me) I agree with the people who are screaming for a patch. It's really annoying losing to someone who spams Ara's dives which have no punishable start up (me being on the ground and him in the air), not punishable on block or whiff (as he disappears into the ground) and have ridiculous cross up potential, which is impossible to account for with your basic 10 frame online lag. (don't tell me 6a beats it, it does not online with said lag.) So, in short, WE'RE ALL RIGHT! IT NEEDS A PATCH, BUT IT DOESNT NEED A PATCH!
worldjem7 Posted August 17, 2009 Posted August 17, 2009 The only real thing that needs changing is Tager, and maybe Hakumen, with respective buffs, so that they can better deal with the top tiers. Everything else is manageable. You just have to get good enough to deal with it. The game is only about a year old in Japan and it just came out in N.A. Everyone needs to calm down and just play the game and learn the match-ups and quit bitching about nerfs. Anyone who cries "Nerf" on a top tier in a brand new game is a scrub. Once the meta-game develops in a few years, then we'll be able to see if our suspicions are true.
Gorehound Posted August 17, 2009 Posted August 17, 2009 I was really surprise a Carl player made it 2nd, thats pretty sweet!
Elstraim Posted August 17, 2009 Posted August 17, 2009 The only real thing that needs changing is Tager, and maybe Hakumen, with respective buffs, so that they can better deal with the top tiers. Everything else is manageable. You just have to get good enough to deal with it. The game is only about a year old in Japan and it just came out in N.A. Everyone needs to calm down and just play the game and learn the match-ups and quit bitching about nerfs. Anyone who cries "Nerf" on a top tier in a brand new game is a scrub. Once the meta-game develops in a few years, then we'll be able to see if our suspicions are true. You realize that you totally invalidate your argument when you use that word, right? It's like people using the word "weeaboo".
worldjem7 Posted August 17, 2009 Posted August 17, 2009 mindset =/= interest Besides, if you're going to write off my entire argument, whether it's valid or not, because of a single word, you're just being ignorant. What I wrote is not false but, because I say it you refuse to believe it. Nice logic there.
MisoSowee Posted August 17, 2009 Posted August 17, 2009 mindset =/= interest Besides, if you're going to write off my entire argument, whether it's valid or not, because of a single word, you're just being ignorant. What I wrote is not false but, because I say it you refuse to believe it. Nice logic there. I kinda agree with him. saying scrub doesn't exactly invalidate your argument, but it makes it much less effective than it could be without. and the game HAS been out for quite a while in arcades. I don't think that when people say nerf please, it's like OMG I WANT YOUR GAME PLAN STRIPPED OF YOU! It's more like little things that don't even make sense. Like air unblockable bugs? Ridiculous curse length considering how easy it is to pull it off? RIDICULOUS LOCKDOWN ON TAGER?!! 2 D BUGS TILL GUARD CRUSH ON TAGER?! It's just that BS stuff that doesn't even make sense.
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