Cool hypotheticals for Axl.

[Digital Watches]

Isn't the FRC on the first few active frames? Wouldn't you need to be crazy fast to confirm the move itself? Also, why would you lose a knockdown? You'd still keep regular Rensen... The FB would just replace the FRC.

Also, to whoever suggested a ground Bomber FB, I would love that. It would give me SO many more B-Loop opportunities...

Edit: What I had meant was confirming that the Rensen had hit before FRCing.

Yeah, like I said, it happens like, once in a blue moon, but occasionally if they're super close and it's a frametrap and you're looking for it, you can confirm to FRC if you have your fingers ready to go. Don't try for it, honestly, because I'd consider myself pretty experienced and still can't get it consistently. But even confirming from other moves under normal circumstances would make an FRC useful, since you've buffered the rensen by the time you can react anyway. Point is, I couldn't really see an FB as that useful. However, if the FB had less proration/more damage/less hits/could go the full length of Rensen (As opposed to the FRC, which stops it at about half or less), then it'd be mad useful.

[Adelheid]

I super disagree on a Rensen FB having less hits. I think it should have more hits. The total amount of guard bar it takes off should still be less than Rensen though. But come on, there is no way that a theoretical Rensen FB shouldn't utterly crush Charged Stun Edge.

[Digital Watches]

More hits wouldn't help that. The way rensen works, only one hit can possibly eat CSE. It has enough hits to kill it as is.

[henfrerield]

After clicking on a forum name to enter a thread, you can view the threads. Suggestion to have a link to the end of last page in thread.. which would bring one immediately to the last post.. since having a link to last post is probably not possible. I know, you are going to say, once entering the thread there is a link on top left to the last unread message.. but the above suggestion saves a few steps.. would be helpful in games.

[Siiner]

Only one thing to add to this thread. To fix Axl, Make Raven playable. That is all.

[Digital Watches]

Kinda like how creating Order-Sol fixed Sol

[Adelheid]

<_< Daisuke already Jossed the theory of Axl's parallel self being Raven. they're completely different characters with completely different powersets.

[HolyAarom]

Rashousen that moves in the same path as 6K.

[Digital Watches]

Rashousen that moves in the same path as 6K.

Oh god too broek.

[Adelheid]

Secret Garden, except it's Rashousen.

[vedasisme]

Bring back Axl's old sound byte for Ra-SHOU-SEN! YES!

[shezmu]

Axl newbie here and haven't read the whole thread, but how 'bout making TK'd half circle S safe on block?

[bbq sauce]

By that you mean, take its minimum height away? Or like add +frames on block / reduce landing recovery / both edit: I like the Secret Rashousen Garden idea~

[Adelheid]

Making TK Kokuu safe on block would make it kinda... Stupidly good. The only way to do that, without just cutting dozens of frames off of the recovery and making you fall almost instantly after use, would be to simply make it a secret level 6 move with gigantic, gigantic blockstun. Which would make its FRC... Broken, to say the least. EDIT: As a Venom player, I have to throw this out as another "Hey, this is obviously broken" idea. Give Axl Ball Seisei. Except, instead of those wimpy little pool balls... Rashousens.

[bbq sauce]

Hell yeah. And if you Axl Bomber one of summoned rashousens it gives it like 3 ricochets~

[shezmu]

By that you mean, take its minimum height away?

Or like add +frames on block / reduce landing recovery / both

edit: I like the Secret Rashousen Garden idea~

At the time of my post, I was thinking added block stun. However, after Stark's post, I think the least retarded way of making a blocksafe HCS work would be to make it work like Ensenga, except without the need to RC it to not die.

I'm thinking having Axl fall a frame or two after the active frames (probably would require a change to the animation to make it look right) and at normal speed. Of course, the FRC would have to go and maybe reduce the hitstun or have the opponent float higher/longer to balance the move out.

EDIT: How about a ransenish move that hits the opponent's midair in the back?

[Guilty Soul]

<_< Daisuke already Jossed the theory of Axl's parallel self being Raven. they're completely different characters with completely different powersets.

what proof do you have that there not the same person?

[shezmu]

When did Daisuke jossed the idea that raven isn't Axl?

[vedasisme]

All we really know is that Raven and Axl repel each other on the timeline for some reason, and that it's supposedly a future Axl's fault (according to That Man). However, future Axl also says that it's all gonna work out in the end, so yeah. I for one don't believe that Axl and Raven are the same person, I think it's more of an "evil twin" dealie.

[Guilty Soul]

All we really know is that Raven and Axl repel each other on the timeline for some reason, and that it's supposedly a future Axl's fault (according to That Man). However, future Axl also says that it's all gonna work out in the end, so yeah.

I for one don't believe that Axl and Raven are the same person, I think it's more of an "evil twin" dealie.

and where you find that? GG2??

[vedasisme]

Axl's X2 Story Mode, actually.

For example: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=irC0zmkkDBk

I don't know why you think there'd be any light shed on the issue in GG2, since I don't think Axl is even mentioned. I could be wrong, though.

[Guilty Soul]

I've seen that vid so many times I almost know it word per word, but you said "that future Axl tells Axl that everything will be ok in the end" we don't know what timeline "that Axl" came from. He could have come from before "he became Raven w/e" or after Raven. So many questions left unclear y don't they make another GG so we can play as Raven already.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MiC7iBbabGU&feature=related

[Horokei]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aykaeb_tyYA

"Q. Who is Raven? How is he related to Axl?

A. Raven is one of the servants of That Man. Since he did not appear until GGXX (and also in the GG novel), little is known about him. However, in GGXX it is revealed that he, like Axl, timeslips, and in fact he and Axl are "parallel existences", which is the cause of the time slipping in the first place. Note that That Man does not call them the same person, and they do not share the same voice actor. Axl and Raven are probably not the same person, but they are somehow linked, and That Man reveals that the reason is because of something Axl will do in his future.

Whatever he is, he seems to be immensely powerful; Sol attempts to burn him in the Lightning the Argent novel, yet he simply shrugs it off and regenerates his skin. He is also able to go toe-to-toe with Faust in an extradimensional battle easily.

(GGXX, LA) "

© GuiltyGear.ru

[Adelheid]

I don't remember exactly where it was, but in an interview with Ishiwatari, he was asked if the relationship between Axl and Raven as parallel selves might be explored in future plotlines; Ishiwatari's response was something along the lines of "What? You may have read too much in to that. Axl and Raven don't really have any real relationship... Axl's other part is not Raven." Half-remembered interviews I can't seem to find on google may not be the best source of information, granted, but eh.

[vedasisme]

Look, don't get me wrong. There is a *small* possibility that Axl turned into Raven at some point in the "future." However, given the information we've been given I'm just saying that there is little reason to get too attached to that idea. If you wanna know what I think, I have a hunch that Raven is from a parallel universe or something, and is Axl's parallel existence. For them to occupy the same dimension, they naturally repel each other along the time line rather than across different streams...and this is all somehow Axl's fault, but probably by accident. Anyway, my theory assumes quite a lot about Ishiwatari's GG universe, and until more of Axl's past (and future) are revealed it's grasping at straws.