[CS1] Rachel Video Discussion

[Kuuhaku]

Wait, who says Tager is still bad?

He still has a lot of the same problems he did in CT and his damage prorates more. Last time I checked he was considered low to mid-low. He's still much better than he was in CT though.

Tari- Isn't that missing a 5B? I'm pretty sure 2B doesn't link to 5CDC because I always drop combos that way.

[Alex073088]

He still has a lot of the same problems he did in CT and his damage prorates more. Last time I checked he was considered low to mid-low. He's still much better than he was in CT though.

Tari- Isn't that missing a 5B? I'm pretty sure 2B doesn't link to 5CDC because I always drop combos that way.

yea he is missing the 5b portion or 5cdc will not connect.

[Tari]

Yeah, it was missing the 5b. Fix'd. I blame the fact that I hadn't slept yet when I made that post. :P

[Kuuhaku]

Still, that's not bad for one wind and no meter. Good job. We should mess around in training mode when no one else is at Digipen. ... That's if a certain hakumen player doesn't feel like destroying us all for fun.

[Tari]

The real problem with all of Rachel's combos, at the moment, is that they're hard to start on moves that don't prorate like crap. 2b isn't exactly a great starter, unfortunately. Expect to lose a few hundred damage in that combo starting on 2b instead of 4b, as 2b has more proration and less damage. :/

[Rhannmah]

BnB:

4b/2b 5b 5cdc 236b dash 6a214c j.b j.c JC j.b j.c j.236a (~2.7k dmg)

Is there a way to modify the combo ender to end up with a knockdown for more pressure instead of an easily escaped air combo?

[Soniti]

The real problem with all of Rachel's combos, at the moment, is that they're hard to start on moves that don't prorate like crap.

2b isn't exactly a great starter, unfortunately. Expect to lose a few hundred damage in that combo starting on 2b instead of 4b, as 2b has more proration and less damage. :/

You'd be doing around 2k instead of 2.7k when starting from 2b.

[Tari]

Is there a way to modify the combo ender to end up with a knockdown for more pressure instead of an easily escaped air combo?

...j.b j.c JC j.2c - good luck doing anything after j.2c without a pumpkin or frog nearby

...j.b j.c JB j.b j.c j.214b - pumpkin to catch the air-tech. not quite what you want, though.

...jb j.c JC 2d j.2c (level 3) - they won't hit the ground before teching, though, iirc. still gives you time to summon a frog or pumpkin

Or you could sacrifice a bunch of damage to do 5cc after 214c, but you might as well have just gone for a frog combo, in that case.

You'd be doing around 2k instead of 2.7k when starting from 2b.

It's actually more beneficial to start with 2a into 2b, if I'm reading Spark's proration data correctly. :8/:

Feel free to check my math (and my logic, as I might be misunderstanding the chart):

4b 5b 5cdc 236b... - 2714 dmg

Strip off 4b for...

5b 5cdc 236b... - (2714 - 600) / 0.9 = 2348 dmg

Tack on 2b for...

2b 5b 5cdc 236b... - (2348 * 0.7) + 360 = 2003 dmg

Alternatively, tack on 2a 2b for...

2a 2b 5b 5cdc 236b... - (((2348 * 0.84) + 360) * 0.85) + 150 = 2132 dmg

Of course, it could've always been that way, and I just didn't realize.

[MisterBadguy]

Assuming 2a is still a mid, I don't see how that'd really be benificial at all. It IS, however, quite hilarious.

[K2]

i thought here is for rachel video posting

[killionaire]

I think I'll just stick with the chair until the next installment. I mean.. After all, it is impolite to attack someone who is just sitting there. Especially if the chair is electrified.

[Tari]

Assuming 2a is still a mid, I don't see how that'd really be benificial at all.

It IS, however, quite hilarious.

Probably should've said 'damaging' rather than 'beneficial,' huh.

It's just a bit interesting, since you will occasionally have the option of starting a combo from 2a (countering a slow move, backdashing, etc.).

Not useful as a mixup option, though, outside of 5a/2a spam.

@K2:

Ah, yeah.

[GenoWhirl]

it'd be quite nice if we could gather the vids and put them in the first post >_<

[Rhannmah]

i thought here is for rachel video posting

we'd have something to post here IF there were actually still people playing her seriously in the land of the rising sun

[Kuuhaku]

Poor Matsu. He works so hard only to get trolled.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-7i0gRdhLPk

Not sure how old this is. But watch it with cat chair. Carl can bait it with Vivace + Nirvana smacking you.

[GenoWhirl]

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TheWoobie

This is Matsu

[XvKissBlade]

Poor Matsu. He works so hard only to get trolled.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-7i0gRdhLPk

Not sure how old this is. But watch it with cat chair. Carl can bait it with Vivace + Nirvana smacking you.

That really doesn't look like Matsu playing since he seemed to drop a lot more combos than Matsu normally would've. Most of the matches I see with Matsu looks very technical.

[GenoWhirl]

and it wasn't his usual color either...

[Rhannmah]

it's not. The player's name is Erushi or something to that effect, if you listen, the commentator says the names at the beginning of the match

[Tari]

It's Erushii, I believe.

Another video of him.

He pumpkin summons and spams C lobelia to stay offscreen to win his Arakune match.

I don't recognize the Carl player. Sounds sorta like 'Ikena' or something, but that doesn't appear to be a well-known name, so I may be hearing wrong.

[GenoWhirl]

While that video is extremely old, I cried

I mean wasn't that Souji

...And then she get' raped by Carl

[Gog_]

Rachel(Erushii) vs Tagers, http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm9407556

Rachel( Erushii) vs Noel and Bang, http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm9408104

Omitan Rachels aren't worth watching.

[Soniti]

IMO the 2nd Omitan video is worth watching for 1 reason:

Hilarious commentary!!! (if you understand Japanese):

Rachel vs Litchi, Rachel vs Bang: http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm9407415 / http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wACthQO0fFI

[GenoWhirl]

3:47 lolololol

[Kuuhaku]

That Litchi player is terrible.