sogos Posted January 14, 2009 Posted January 14, 2009 Your link contains a malformed vid id, but I'm assuming you're talking about http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6aMirwQ2Rbk vs Bridget? First read http://dustloop.com/forums/showthread.php?t=5473 Macarthur writes very good matchup info (I THINK HE SHOULD WRITE MORE, MAYBE FOR EVERY CHARACTER VS SLAYER WINKWINKNUDGENUDGESAYNOMORE). I don't have too much experience with the bridget matchup but one of the obvious things I see is you're letting him use some really shitty corner pressure on you for free. When he stops mid pressure to yoyo set, DO SOMETHING! You shouldn't be afraid of bridget, YOU'RE SLAYER. Get used to IBing his obvious strings and either poke back or just jump/bdc jump/1f jump/etc out of the corner. You also missed a lot of free damage. You hit with a lot of 2h's and you had lots of tension to burn, you only need 2-3 combos to end the match. I also saw 2p-2p-2p and then you tried to 2d a couple times, hit confirm them into 2p-2k-2d for the knock down or 2p-2k-2h-BBU/DOT if you have some extra tension. Random BBUs/Supers = big nono use your tension, slayer gets tension very easily try not to get caught between bridget and his yoyo dont get hit by gold bursts , if bridget whiffs a gold burst, GET ON DAT ASS. that means you get to use your silly oki on him for FREE. If bridget guesses wrong twice, you win. Don't be afraid of his "dp", its terrible. use your bursts smarter, dont burst because he poked you from mid screen work on utilizing slayers ridiculous abare aka turn random hits into game winning combos slayer is more invincible than everyone else , bdc 1f jump or bdc mappa/dot/whatever obvious pokes I personally just like to land one big combo or so and play super safe for the rest of the round and either win by time out or by bridget trying to get in and dying by pokes.
thegame4ever Posted January 14, 2009 Posted January 14, 2009 You need more wakeup tricks. 6K fake into bite plz? Fake dust into 2HS>BBU. That kinda thing. Work on your oki. Also close the gap with MAPPA, you leave to far a gap, like one of the local players say 'Slayer is a melee god' get in close and work your magic. And learn the 4Ks, they are essential pressure tools, and can gatling into 6K or combo into 2K, great mixups. A retardedly good K pressure goes like this: K>2K>K>6K>K you get the picture (i'm assuming you know the followups incase you get a hit with any K in that situation)
sogos Posted January 15, 2009 Posted January 15, 2009 You need more wakeup tricks. 6K fake into bite plz? Fake dust into 2HS>BBU. That kinda thing. Work on your oki. Also close the gap with MAPPA, you leave to far a gap, like one of the local players say 'Slayer is a melee god' get in close and work your magic. And learn the 4Ks, they are essential pressure tools, and can gatling into 6K or combo into 2K, great mixups. A retardedly good K pressure goes like this: K>2K>K>6K>K you get the picture (i'm assuming you know the followups incase you get a hit with any K in that situation) ^ gimmicks 6k fakes and dust fakes work like once per match versus anyone paying attention. Mappa from neutral means you eat bridget's 2S, you would probably be better just WALKING forward for tension gains and safety, right outside of bridgets pokes then smartly IAD j.H over or fdc/bdc mappa through pokes from there. I agree that you should work on your oki, but get the basics down like perfect meaty 6k, d-step whiffed under pressure into its late or 2k, dash through throw or throwbait 6k, etc.. Then once they're scared of that stuff, you can work in gimmicky stuff. I don't think you can link 2k>5k? you can 5k>2k though. blocked 6k>5k>(5k)>6k (hits)>2k>2d works a lot more than it should, but it becomes easy to see the 6k after a blocked k and it'll get backdashed or poked. So just mix it up with 2k as in 5k>6k>2k>2h/2d or 5k>2k>2d/2h. Honestly though, 2p is my favorite pressure tool, its +3 on block
Neophos Posted January 15, 2009 Posted January 15, 2009 Sogos - Thank you for the comments, but just a few things: From my experience with it, Bridget's corner-pressure is far from shitty. Really, if he neutral sets, he usually got enough time to 3P any poke I throw out, which usually results in a counterhit to a quick knockdown combo. Unless I start doing psychic DoT's, trying to poke him out of his frametraps usually doesn't go in my favor. I'm horrible at linking from 2P, yeah. Guess I gotta practice that. Anyway, here's three more vids from the same session, different player: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=icJR4zMckX0 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KfA9-XPqsAM http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q8_4g3JpEWQ
sogos Posted January 15, 2009 Posted January 15, 2009 according to frame data, neutral set takes 21f to finish, I realize you'll be in block stun for some time but you should have more than enough time to at least 1f jump out of the corner. IBing makes things easier
feri Posted January 15, 2009 Posted January 15, 2009 I'm horrible at linking from 2P, yeah. Guess I gotta practice that. 2p 5d or feint it into 2k 2h BBU... I lived off that till I could link stuff off 2p and now I keep forgetting that I have that option. Btw 3p is like -5 on block and any cancel off it (ksmh/starship/supers/set) is even more punishable albeit being a mixup too. Bridget cant be 3p'ing your pokes on reaction so get out of the way (vertical jump/dandystep/IAD over j.k on decent? well anything really) or 5k it, just don't lose to the poke when you know that shit is coming. Edit: The matchups subforum has this awesome writeup on this particular matchup
MacArthur Blunts Posted January 18, 2009 Posted January 18, 2009 bridget's 3P will beat 2K and 6K after bridget IB's 5K. If you're doing multiple 5K's bridget can starship.. 3P beats a lot of stuff on the ground.. I don't really try to mess with bridget at neutral situations cause of 3P. To win against bridget.. j.K and j.P - lead to so much damage and knockdown. Seriously. if bridget is in the air, viciously try to j.P and j.K her into a combo. j.2K is good too sometimes if bridget is real high up there. combo is hard and real specific afterwards though. mappa really well. get just outside of her 2S/5S range and bait out a whiffed poke and then mappa. if it gets blocked you're at a good range for counterpoking. if you CH bridget link into BBU/DOT FRC or simple 2K->2S->2D if you're close enough. If bridget starts to starship the mappa, use P mappa feint and punish the whiff. do really painful combos and get the knockdown. 5P and 2P her mixup and pressure. there are lots of holes in it. if she is rolling and you IB'ed, you get a 5P. Also, you can duck under some of the rolling pressure to make bridget whiff and not be able to gatling into stuff. you can get throws and 2P's if bridget doesn't realize he isn't gatlinging anymore. Edit: Mappa is really good. Really really good.
thegame4ever Posted March 21, 2009 Posted March 21, 2009 http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm3243464 Who is this Slayer? I'm worshipping him from now on.
ajinkris Posted March 22, 2009 Posted March 22, 2009 shineiya~ If Kusoru had a twin... actually this guy surpasses Kusuro imo. BDC Taunt? random TK Divebombs? dandy FRC > dash > bite? 6H > 2H > 6H > 2H > 6H > 2H (axl low?)? Cmon. All the grand vipers in the world can't compete with that shit.
thegame4ever Posted March 22, 2009 Posted March 22, 2009 This guy is an okizeme god. Instead of doing combos that would lead to more attacks + damage, he just goes towards knockdown. I gotta learn this shit.
feri Posted March 24, 2009 Posted March 24, 2009 I like how he stole that match off the decent red slayer, he must have been pissed off. Baiken finisher was epic!
Hintalove Posted March 28, 2009 Posted March 28, 2009 I dunno how much of that stuff youd want to steal. If you read the comments on there it's just a bunch of people loling about how random he is and how much his combos suck. They also talk about how his opponents suck and the overall lvl of play at TRF has really fallen off(though I dont know if I can agree with that). Slayer dosn't have to do short gimpy combos into kd to get good oki, you can do long brutal combos into kd and still get the same oki so I personally wouldn't spend a lot of time dedicating your self to becoming a walking random number generator.
Guardian Posted March 28, 2009 Posted March 28, 2009 Go to A-cho and watch tsujikawa's (or however you spell it) slayer. He's over there BEASTING.
thegame4ever Posted March 28, 2009 Posted March 28, 2009 I dunno how much of that stuff youd want to steal. If you read the comments on there it's just a bunch of people loling about how random he is and how much his combos suck. They also talk about how his opponents suck and the overall lvl of play at TRF has really fallen off(though I dont know if I can agree with that). Slayer dosn't have to do short gimpy combos into kd to get good oki, you can do long brutal combos into kd and still get the same oki so I personally wouldn't spend a lot of time dedicating your self to becoming a walking random number generator. Thanks for that clarification, watching videos online I can't really judge the opponents level of play with no names, except I was sure that Potemkin was a goddamn noob, that Pot should be makin Slay cry. When you put it that way I see your point, better to be stable and reliable rather than random. Thanks again you have impacted my playing.
MacArthur Blunts Posted April 8, 2009 Posted April 8, 2009 That nico vid was like, the funniest scrubby slayer stuff i've ever seen. it was SO BAD.
deci Posted April 8, 2009 Posted April 8, 2009 lol how are you guys just seeing and talking about this video now? it's pretty damn old. shineiya is actually pretty beastly, he just likes to screw around when he plays. some of you guys actually think he is a bad player? lol apparently the only thing america sees when watching videos is combos. also... i'm pretty sure that red slayer was hase.
Zaido Posted April 8, 2009 Posted April 8, 2009 3 Slayer players in Japan uses that color i believe, it is either Spike, Tsujikawa, or Hase
deci Posted April 8, 2009 Posted April 8, 2009 just look at his play style and his combos. iad j.p j.k is trademark hase. who else does that?
Zaido Posted April 8, 2009 Posted April 8, 2009 i did... back in the days :V... till i learned something better!!! lol... but most hase trade mark is the iad jH to 5H stuff or iad jK jK are mostly hase Tsujikawa does alot of Dandy stuff i think... and Spike is sort of similar in terms of hase offense...
feri Posted April 8, 2009 Posted April 8, 2009 just look at his play style and his combos. iad j.p j.k is trademark hase. who else does that? Hase is IAD j.hs V 5hs I've been using j.p j.k off 2d rc 5hs launches cause im too lazy to learn the 2 j.k timing.
deci Posted April 8, 2009 Posted April 8, 2009 tons of slayers do iad hs into 5hs these days as it is the best damage in that situation. and i'm talking about using iad j.p j.k as pressure. not in the middle of a combo, which pretty much only hase does a lot.
ajinkris Posted April 8, 2009 Posted April 8, 2009 tons of slayers do iad hs into 5hs these days as it is the best damage in that situation. and i'm talking about using iad j.p j.k as pressure. not in the middle of a combo, which pretty much only hase does a lot. i dont do hs into 5hs.
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