Ponder Posted February 6, 2010 Author Posted February 6, 2010 Thanks guys. We'll be announcing our decision soon.
Spirit Juice Posted February 6, 2010 Posted February 6, 2010 MBAA makes it into Evo! BBCT removed and replaced with MvC2! Thanks for getting feedback from the community, Ponder! You guys made the right decision.
Spirit Juice Posted February 6, 2010 Posted February 6, 2010 Link to announcement? http://www.shoryuken.com/showthread.php?t=223810&p=8335208&viewfull=1#post8335208
Hellfromabove Posted February 6, 2010 Posted February 6, 2010 http://www.shoryuken.com/showthread.php?t=223810&p=8335208&viewfull=1#post8335208 Quote from Ponder, Post #2642 Shoryuken.com Here's the summary for people who are not listening to the radio announcement live. The results are basically: Clear winner: MBAA (27% of the vote) Middle: MvC2, 3S, CvS2 Bottom: SC4, KOF12 It's very hard to tell exactly who got 2nd-4th because of the amount of vote fraud for all the games. This includes people who have multiple accounts voting more than once, suspicious patterns in the voting locations, etc. Even so, if you take away all the suspicious votes for Melty, it still wins by a narrow margin. So while we're confident Melty is the winner, we really don't know who got 2nd. Parallel to this poll, we ran a survey on dustloop.com to ask the BB community what they thought about the BB:CT tournament. The overwhelming response was that they would rather see a different game than BB:CT, since most of their community had moved onto BB:CS. Since BB:CS won't be out on console in time for EVO, we decided to give the spot to Marvel. Why Marvel? It's been a staple at EVO since B5. Marvel finals are always one of the best events. The switch to PS3 is a bit of a curveball for them, but it could bring in a lot more new blood from the online community. So, for all these reasons, we decided to remove the BB:CT tournament and insert MvC2 (PS3) to the line up. Thanks to everyone who voted. See you guys at EVO. We did it guys. Fuck, now I gotta learn AA. -Tha Hindu
ShoMeYaMoves Posted February 6, 2010 Posted February 6, 2010 We did it guys. Fuck, now I gotta learn AA. The only thing you did was remove the possibility of Evo for all the players who would come for BB:CT. I like CS alot more than CT as well, but many regions don't have access to CS and were probably hype as hell that they might be able to compete in an Evo main event respectably with competitive experience under their belts, unlike those of us that have had alot of practice with CS already and will play in the side tourney anyway. Thanks to your guys' collective response, Evo has now closed their doors to that possibility. I'm excited for MB too and I hope it turns out awesome at Evo (gonna have to make my Kouma beastly ), but tbqh I'm pretty dissapointed in you guys as a community over this.
qwerty Posted February 6, 2010 Posted February 6, 2010 The only thing you did was remove the possibility of Evo for all the players who would come for BB:CT. I like CS alot more than CT as well, but many regions don't have access to CS and were probably hype as hell that they might be able to compete in an Evo main event respectably with competitive experience under their belts, unlike those of us that have had alot of practice with CS already and will play in the side tourney anyway. Thanks to your guys' collective response, Evo has now closed their doors to that possibility. I'm excited for MB too and I hope it turns out awesome at Evo (gonna have to make my Kouma beastly ), but tbqh I'm pretty dissapointed in you guys as a community over this. literally no one cares
faultydefense Posted February 6, 2010 Posted February 6, 2010 The only thing you did was remove the possibility of Evo for all the players who would come for BB:CT. I like CS alot more than CT as well, but many regions don't have access to CS and were probably hype as hell that they might be able to compete in an Evo main event respectably with competitive experience under their belts, unlike those of us that have had alot of practice with CS already and will play in the side tourney anyway. Thanks to your guys' collective response, Evo has now closed their doors to that possibility. I'm excited for MB too and I hope it turns out awesome at Evo (gonna have to make my Kouma beastly ), but tbqh I'm pretty dissapointed in you guys as a community over this. this was originally a gg forum and i think most gg players will tell you that MB is better than BBCT even the ones that haven't played it...
Hellfromabove Posted February 6, 2010 Posted February 6, 2010 The only thing you did was remove the possibility of Evo for all the players who would come for BB:CT. I like CS alot more than CT as well, but many regions don't have access to CS and were probably hype as hell that they might be able to compete in an Evo main event respectably with competitive experience under their belts, unlike those of us that have had alot of practice with CS already and will play in the side tourney anyway. Thanks to your guys' collective response, Evo has now closed their doors to that possibility. I'm excited for MB too and I hope it turns out awesome at Evo (gonna have to make my Kouma beastly ), but tbqh I'm pretty dissapointed in you guys as a community over this. So... most of the response to Evo from DL THE BB COMMUNITY ITSELF said to take away CT. There were probably 2 responses in that whole thing that said, "nah, fuck I want CT". CT is dead, even people that play CT and haven't played CS say that. GG/ BB/ MB communities are all pretty tight knit and it seemed like the best thing to do. SPOILER ALERT!!! They didn't take out BB for MB. We thought that having like 50 contenders show up to Evo for CT would be a joke not only to Evo but to the BB/ GG community. MB won the vote hands down and got the players choice spot. CT was replaced with MvC2 which I am glad for. There is no hype like MvC2 hype. -Tha Hindu
ShoMeYaMoves Posted February 6, 2010 Posted February 6, 2010 So... most of the response to Evo from DL THE BB COMMUNITY ITSELF said to take away CT. There were probably 2 responses in that whole thing that said, "nah, fuck I want CT". CT is dead, even people that play CT and haven't played CS say that. GG/ BB/ MB communities are all pretty tight knit and it seemed like the best thing to do. SPOILER ALERT!!! They didn't take out BB for MB. We thought that having like 50 contenders show up to Evo for CT would be a joke not only to Evo but to the BB/ GG community. MB won the vote hands down and got the players choice spot. CT was replaced with MvC2 which I am glad for. There is no hype like MvC2 hype. -Tha Hindu CT is only dead in places with CS...I really don't see how a CT main and CS side tourney would have been so unbearable. I didn't say BB replaced MB lol, just that I'm excited for MB. SSF4 should be crazy hype as well, provided there aren't serious balance issues.
Circuitous Posted February 6, 2010 Posted February 6, 2010 Yeah, uh, the places without CS? Pretty much not where the serious competition would be coming from. No offense or nothin', just, the people that really wanted the game and had enough people to support it and build the skillz, they got CS.
Spirit Juice Posted February 6, 2010 Posted February 6, 2010 The only thing you did was remove the possibility of Evo for all the players who would come for BB:CT. I like CS alot more than CT as well, but many regions don't have access to CS and were probably hype as hell that they might be able to compete in an Evo main event respectably with competitive experience under their belts, unlike those of us that have had alot of practice with CS already and will play in the side tourney anyway. Thanks to your guys' collective response, Evo has now closed their doors to that possibility. I'm excited for MB too and I hope it turns out awesome at Evo (gonna have to make my Kouma beastly ), but tbqh I'm pretty dissapointed in you guys as a community over this. Have you been to Evo before? Are you familiar with Evo and how it works? If you answered no to either of those questions, you should probably rethink your stance. If you answered yes to the second one, you're a liar. Evo is both a gaming tournament and a business of sorts. They want games to 1) bring in numbers, and 2) bring the hype. Unfortunately, BBCT was not going to be doing this. Had they stuck with BBCT in the line up, the game would have easily gotten the least amount of entrants and have the least hype finals. Most of the community is done with BBCT, and the people that would have played in a BBCT tournament regardless of it being an old version are in the minority here. Having BBCT there taking up a spot for an otherwise more deserving game would be the worst thing you could do in this situation. Besides, it's better to take out BBCT rather than keep it in for a "what if" situation regarding BBCS. It's very likely that BBCS won't be out on consoles in time, so in the event that BBCS did not make it, we'd be stuck with BBCT and essentially a wasted slot.
PhaethonH Posted February 6, 2010 Posted February 6, 2010 I'm excited for MB too and I hope it turns out awesome at Evo (gonna have to make my Kouma beastly ), but tbqh I'm pretty dissapointed in you guys as a community over this. In 2007, Guilty Gear XX: Accent Core was an official tournament in Evo. The turnout for the GG finals were below expectation, partly because of the early morning scheduling, but mostly because most of the potential spectators were too busy either recovering from all-night GG sessions or still playing GG at that time. Or perhaps didn't know GG Finals were scheduled for the ass-crack dawn of morning. Point was, GG community was in the area, just not in the seats at the right time. Nonetheless, the Evo staff did not... does not... care about such details. All they saw and cared about were all the empty seats during GG Finals. They're paying for the space, they're paying for the seats, they're paying for the prize pots, they're paying for the video stream. And that was what they got. Very unimpressive. Consequently, GG was dropped from EVO 2008. The Guilty Gear (or rather, dustloop) community was, more or less, marginalized in the EVO context. Whereupon we (GG community in general, dustloop in particular) put together one hell of a side tournament during EVO 2008, one deserving of the catchphrase "Get Hype!". The only support from EVO was table space (which even then we had to fight for) -- we brought our own equipment, our own signs, our own tournament staff. In the end, we sufficiently impressed the EVO staff. Consequently, BBCT was brought in for EVO 2009. If not for our rally in 2008, BBCT (as "GG successor") very likely would not have appeared at EVO. And we would not have needed to rally in 2008 if people actually showed up to GG finals in 2007. We don't want a repeat of that. If BBCT becomes main, and even 25% of the seats are empty during its finals, guess what? BlazBlue (and its descendants) will be dropped from the 2011 lineup, like Guilty Gear was dropped from the 2008 lineup, because "people didn't care". It's far better for the BB community to put forward a solid showing at a later date than to flounder for attendance sooner. MB can put forth that critical mass of attendance, which retains the staying power of the GG/BB/MB meta-community. That may suck, but if you suffered through GG@EVO '07-'08 with us, you wouldn't be feeling as disappointed. We can still have a BBCS side tourney. If it turns out impressive, more brownie points for us the following year. If it flops, no skin off our backs, BB (backed by MB) would still retain its staying power for 2011. But if a BB main flops... kiss all of GG/BB/MB at Evo goodbye for 1 to 2 years.
ShoMeYaMoves Posted February 6, 2010 Posted February 6, 2010 Have you been to Evo before? Are you familiar with Evo and how it works? If you answered no to either of those questions, you should probably rethink your stance. If you answered yes to the second one, you're a liar. Evo is both a gaming tournament and a business of sorts. They want games to 1) bring in numbers, and 2) bring the hype. Unfortunately, BBCT was not going to be doing this. Had they stuck with BBCT in the line up, the game would have easily gotten the least amount of entrants and have the least hype finals. Most of the community is done with BBCT, and the people that would have played in a BBCT tournament regardless of it being an old version are in the minority here. Having BBCT there taking up a spot for an otherwise more deserving game would be the worst thing you could do in this situation. Besides, it's better to take out BBCT rather than keep it in for a "what if" situation regarding BBCS. It's very likely that BBCS won't be out on consoles in time, so in the event that BBCS did not make it, we'd be stuck with BBCT and essentially a wasted slot. Alright, that makes more sense to me than the "only the competitive people in locations with CS should decide what's at Evo" angle. The business side of the tourney certainly favors not going for CT. Thanks for clearing that up. But if a BB main flops... kiss all of GG/BB/MB at Evo goodbye for 1 to 2 years. Yeah, to be honest this was my big concern as well. I was just scared that if we let CT leave the main spot this easily then we might not get it back again for CS, but waiting and having an awesome CS side tourney this year is probably the best thing to do. Also with as many new entries as Evo has this year, CS will be firmly established by next Evo.
Kamui Moon Posted February 6, 2010 Posted February 6, 2010 no, continuum shift will be dead come next year's EVO. by then, only online faggots will still be playing it while the major bb areas will be playing the next revision. the capcom community won't want anything to do with the series because it will have become another guilty gear because it has way too many revisions and it's too weeabooized. which will even further lower the possibility of it being at EVO. meanwhile, real guilty gear fans will be crying in the corner for being forsaken by arcsys for so long.
render Posted February 6, 2010 Posted February 6, 2010 guilty gear fan that's 100% convinced BB will automatically share the same fate as GG Thanks for telling us what your crystal ball says, man. Now, when this does actually happen, you can post up a big all-caps "I TOLD YOU SO" on Dustloop and feel smug. While all of that is certainly possible, I don't think BB has the same shitty rep with the Capcom crowd that GG did. It may down the line, but it doesn't now. THIS THREAD IS DONE, AMIRITE?
HellSap Posted February 6, 2010 Posted February 6, 2010 Kill it! Good news for everyone. Awesome GGAC side tourney AND awesome BBCS side tourney? Lets L2P some MB, guys!
Balmung92 Posted February 6, 2010 Posted February 6, 2010 While i can understand the decision to do such a thing I really dont think its fair to the hundreds of people who still play CT because they dont have access to CS(self included). Granted im sure there will be a lot of side tourneys there and my friends and I will try to get one going as well but it just seems really unfair to say that CT is "outdated" when its getting replaced with MvC2 which imo is even more unbalanced than what people are claiming with CT. Im not trying to start anything and am just giving my two cents. BB FOR LIFE!
Eshi Posted February 6, 2010 Posted February 6, 2010 While i can understand the decision to do such a thing I really dont think its fair to the hundreds of people who still play CT because they dont have access to CS(self included). Granted im sure there will be a lot of side tourneys there and my friends and I will try to get one going as well but it just seems really unfair to say that CT is "outdated" when its getting replaced with MvC2 which imo is even more unbalanced than what people are claiming with CT. Im not trying to start anything and am just giving my two cents. BB FOR LIFE!Balance =/= good, contrary to popular belief. You can have a very balanced game that's very boring to watch *coughSFIVcough*, and vice versa. MvC2 falls under the latter category. Even if it has just as few entrants, it's WAY more interesting to watch than BBCT and always brings hype. Only thing I'm uncertain of is if being on PS3 hurts or improves it.
Spirit Juice Posted February 6, 2010 Posted February 6, 2010 Yeah, typically balanced games ARE good, but they don't HAVE to be balanced to BE good.
killionaire Posted February 6, 2010 Posted February 6, 2010 Agreed.. Balance is typically a critical element required to make a game good, but isn't the only thing you can rely on to make a good game. BBCT... Balance,, Not so great.... But aesthetically very well done..With the music, graphics, and such. Point doesn't mean a thing to serious players, though. Although to me, what killed BBCT was its system mechanics more than anything. Well, I still need to use it to get in fighting game basics.. Especially when I have no other options. Also, even though the console date for CS could be available next week, I don't know how the logistical work is being done on Evo... Considering they needed to make a decision now, that mook containing the critical info was unfortunately published a week late for us.
TGS Posted February 6, 2010 Posted February 6, 2010 While i can understand the decision to do such a thing I really dont think its fair to the hundreds of people who still play CT because they dont have access to CS(self included). I highly doubt those hundreds who still play CT are tourney players and are willing to travel to Evo...
tolore Posted February 6, 2010 Posted February 6, 2010 While i can understand the decision to do such a thing I really dont think its fair to the hundreds of people who still play CT because they dont have access to CS(self included). The problem is it would have been a tournament of a bunch of people who aren't as good at the game, or people who are severely out of practice. How many people that you see in the top brackets of tournaments still play CT? Heck the last tournament I went to even the people who didn't have CS basically were talking about how they can't wait to switch to CS. You guys would really rather see a CT tournament full of people who A. don't care about the game B. care about the game but aren't very good and C. don't have good comp(which feeds B even if they could have been good) than marvel? Yeah marvel is broken as hell, but the top tier has variety in it, all the top tiers play incredibly differently and there are several teams that can do good and have completely different game plans.
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