SuperKawaiiDesu Posted February 22, 2010 Posted February 22, 2010 This matchup so haaard. What are the best ways to pressure rachel, and what are her most damaging options to avoid? Also, watch for jC. Its pretty big.
Kuuhaku Posted February 22, 2010 Posted February 22, 2010 I hope you're joking. This match up is extremely easy for Ragna. It's a 7:3 in his favor. 2C goes through Rachel's A Lobelia and gives you a free 5k combo. Just the general scrub Ragna pressure game > Hers. Learn to block 4B because it's extremely slow and obvious. Don't really worry about TK j2C because she can only combo into A cannon after that. 5CC A Cannon you can just 5B CH her after blocking A cannon. Rachel has no damaging options. Even if she gets you in the corner with three rods and 50 heat, you're maybe looking at 4k damage. Don't air dash her if she's full screen and has 50 heat because she'll use Tempest Dahlia as a punish (though the damage is pretty lulz). If she does it at close range, it's a pretty suicidal move as your 5A will beat it out. Ragna's normals > Hers. Ragna's pressure > Hers. Ragna's damage and meter gain >>>> Hers. If anything just concentrate on being able to catch her. Pumpkin summon is punishable from 3/4's screen away and if she's anywhere near you while summoning you're likely to be able to punish. Ragna can take out George in one hit and pumpkin isn't really something to worry about. And don't run into cat chair all day, lrn2block, etc. If you lose this match as Ragna, you did something very wrong.
GenoWhirl Posted February 22, 2010 Posted February 22, 2010 Or you fought Matsu Seriously though Bohemian, Rachel can do more than 4k with 3 rods, trust me >_>. After 5CC can they not cancel into 3c? Watch out for 3C Hold and don't get 5b trigger happy that fast.
VR-Raiden Posted February 22, 2010 Posted February 22, 2010 Does GH still whiff if she's crouched? It's a 7:3 in his favor. out of curiosity, did this come from some recent match up chart?
Kuuhaku Posted February 23, 2010 Posted February 23, 2010 Or you fought Matsu Seriously though Bohemian, Rachel can do more than 4k with 3 rods, trust me >_>. After 5CC can they not cancel into 3c? Watch out for 3C Hold and don't get 5b trigger happy that fast. Not unless she catches you with random 5B or 6A. 3 rod + her BBL does 3.6k damage on random hit. Her most likely starters are George or 5A/2A/2B, all of which prorate hard. You could try to tack on a bit of extra damage with level 3 j2C or go for okii. If you have extra heat you can go for the crazy wuku combo, but they could just burst because Rachel's lucky if she gets that setup once per match. Either way, in most normal scenarios 3 rod BBL in the corner, it'll be about 4kish or a bit above. If Rachel really had damaging options to worry about, you wouldn't see Kaqn decide to take the: "Blocking? What's that?" Approach when facing Matsu.
A.X.I.S. Posted February 23, 2010 Posted February 23, 2010 Does GH still whiff if she's crouched? out of curiosity, did this come from some recent match up chart? yeah... rachel is 3-6.5/7 with most the cast. edit: recent chart says she goes 4-6 with alot of folks...ct tager much?
SuperKawaiiDesu Posted February 23, 2010 Author Posted February 23, 2010 my favorite thing to do is go for guard break against rachel, its alot of fun :3
Zero000 Posted February 25, 2010 Posted February 25, 2010 Does GH still whiff if she's crouched? Yes. She still has her weird funny hitbox, same properties from the old game. So Rachel specific combos are still around
FlyingVe Posted February 25, 2010 Posted February 25, 2010 Fortunately thanks to the increased untech time on moves like 5D, and a faster 5C and 6A, most of Ragna's BnB's (like 5D(DC)>6A) will work on rachel unmodified, or even with a sizable hit counter.
Jason D. Posted April 3, 2010 Posted April 3, 2010 Gauntlet Hades no longer whiffs on a crouching Rachel. I have tested this many times now.(and on the receiving end, and I deeply miss the whiff.) Might be distance-dependant, but yeah, so far, NEVER seen it whiff. It seems she's slightly taller when crouching and standing now. But still just as huge on the ground.
Spirit Juice Posted April 3, 2010 Posted April 3, 2010 I think her crouching hitbox is the same; ground GH had its hitbox improved.
God_Of_Olympus Posted April 3, 2010 Posted April 3, 2010 her hitbox is taller, one of the 5A's (I think Noel's) hits her crouching now, not sure which one, but yea she IS taller, but we still get abused when otg
Spirit Juice Posted April 3, 2010 Posted April 3, 2010 Noel's 5A has always hit everyone crouching, even Litchi and Rachel.
Alex073088 Posted April 13, 2010 Posted April 13, 2010 Noel's 5A has always hit everyone crouching, even Litchi and Rachel. yes it has noel has always hit rachel on crouching with that maove, i think jin's 5a, and one of bangs starters missed on her crouch
Beautiful Death Posted December 20, 2010 Posted December 20, 2010 Alright. Halp. I don't play online and I live in Alaska, so my experience is very limited. I played this Rachel player that just showed up..............and.........it was confusing and embarrassing. I had like, NO idea what to do. There was like all this garbage flying around the screen and whenever I got stuck blocking I'd be stuck in blockstun like forever and pushed into the corner with garbage Lobelias flying at me. It would be like A LOBELIA A LOBELIA A LOBELIA. Seriously. A Lobelia is ARGH. Yes, yes. I won far more against him then I lost with Ragna and Lambdude-11, but still. I was really confused. Now, this guy does some idiotic things, such as grabbing me on HIS wakeup, purple grabs galore, A Lobelias on wakeup, jabbing me out of like EVERYTHING, etc. Online tactics, yeah. Not really an issue though. I just have to actually pressure someone on wakeup properly and frametrap and stuff. But as for Rachel specific stuff I found tough? 1. Lobelias. The most annoying thing ever. Specifically, A Lobelia. Wow. Aggravating. 2. Pressure. Well, just about all the time it was the same blockstring with him committing to higher level attacks, not ever stuff like jab, jab, wait to see what happens, blah blah. Just jab jab 5B or something then the spinny 5C or 3C lobelias then HALP I'm in the corner. And some other things. Someone said 2C goes through A Lobelia? What exactly does THAT mean? That move has terrible range. And it actually has a slower startup then A Lobelia. And.....blocking A Lobelia gives you a 5B counterhit? Uh...I don't think so. Unless I guess the Rachel is going to detonate it right off maybe or hit buttons at -7.....and seeing the stuff this guy does, that's not too unlikely. Now, solutions I can think of? Well, when I was playing Lambdude against him I would instant block and shoryuken his garbage since he’s not exactly conservative with his blockstrings or anything at all, really. So that applies to Ragna too I suppose. Also. Thinking back, I believe I was barrier blocking his blockstuff towards the end. Let me guess, that’s a bad idea? Pushing me farther away to give me less of a chance of punishing the inevitable A Lobelia is probably not in my best interest. Not that I would know. Let’s see……um…..I got hit with cat chair a lot. So did everybody……not a concern to me. I’m just not used to seeing it. At least I didn’t get hit by those fly-all-the-way-above-the-screen-then-level 3-J2C’s lolz. Well, there’s A Lobelia. Yeah. It’s that teeth-gnashingly annoying. Knowing that it’s –2 does help some, though. Thank GOD it doesn’t have plus frames. Guess I may as well consider it unpunishable. Just gotta jump or something? Still. REALLY nice to know that he can’t really can’t trap me in the corner and spam A Lobelias on me unless he has covering fire with George or something. That’s just a huge relief. Hmmmm, now that I think about it, okay. He’ll be in 5B poke range after I block an A Lobelia. Sure, it’s not going to hit unless he launches another Lobelia or tries something after being at –7, yeah yeah. He probably will actually, but whatever. The other thing I could do is after the instant blocked Lobelia, run forward and jab. It surely can’t be any slower then a 10 frame poke and puts me in a much better position then a long range 5B will. The damage potential is better as is the heat gain by like many many times. Guess I’ll have to see how that plays out. And uh, please don’t link me to like, Japanese Rachel videos or anything. That’s high level play, and this isn’t that, nor does he play like that. Anyway. Thanks fore reading this, Dustmopp dudes. And if you didn’t read this, well thanks anyway I guess. Help me out and I’ll spin you round. Count on it. CIAO.
Yggjrasil Posted January 27, 2011 Posted January 27, 2011 A Lobelia is punishable if you IB it at nexus of it's flight. (right at the middle of it's plummet) you can punish it with ID or Dash 5B and if she's near a corner you pretty much have the match in the bag, the worse she can do while she's in the corner is 2C. Just bait that shit out and FC her for 6k+.
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