Reioumu Posted August 8, 2010 Posted August 8, 2010 Arakune is the 3rd best character Ragna is not S tier Discuss. Arakune still has a lot of bullshit, so yeah I think he can make top 3. Well, Ragna is still very solid character with a lot of tools. Not many ways to deal with zoning though other than to approach slowly.
Dacidbro Posted August 8, 2010 Posted August 8, 2010 Can I just say for the hundredth time that +1 static difference is fucking nothing at all and 9/10 times won't even be factored? Stop looking at frames to try to determine a character's gameplay, it does not work. The only thing frames gives you is what you CAN do if some certain situation arises, like when can I reversal, when can I slam on my A button, when should I block, etc. It will never determine a tier list. If it did, Hakumen is the best character in SSS tier because almost everything is + on block although for other characters that's not the case. So cut it out. One more time. Static difference, ESPECIALLY on gatlingable moves, does not mean much.
TheGreatReptar Posted August 8, 2010 Posted August 8, 2010 Arakune is the 3rd best character Ragna is not S tier Discuss. Maybe in America where people can't block Arakune's mixups once he curses you.
Dacidbro Posted August 8, 2010 Posted August 8, 2010 What, you think they can block those cross ups in Japan? get out of here
TheGreatReptar Posted August 8, 2010 Posted August 8, 2010 What, you think they can block those cross ups in Japan? get out of here Eh, bad attempt at a bad joke was bad.
Spirit Juice Posted August 8, 2010 Posted August 8, 2010 Arakune is the 3rd best character Ragna is not S tier Discuss. Knigga you on crack.
Dacidbro Posted August 8, 2010 Posted August 8, 2010 It's not a joke.. Arakune tears shit up in Japan. His cross ups are stupid.
Henaki Posted August 8, 2010 Posted August 8, 2010 i love characters with totally safe ambiguous mixups that lead into literally my entire lifebars worth of damage.
ryokoalways Posted August 8, 2010 Posted August 8, 2010 Curse is awesome and all, but Arakune will never be top tier material.
EdWORLD Posted August 8, 2010 Posted August 8, 2010 Just wondering, are Mu and any of the other DLC even tournament legal since they can't even be placed on a tier list since they just came out?
Eshi Posted August 8, 2010 Posted August 8, 2010 Just wondering, are Mu and any of the other DLC even tournament legal since they can't even be placed on a tier list since they just came out?It's ultimately up to the tournament organizer but there's no reason not to allow them yet.
MisoSowee Posted August 8, 2010 Posted August 8, 2010 It's -2. EVERYTHING I KNOW HAS BEEN SHATTERED. Litchi main be lying to me so I don't IB punish. That hoe.
Dacidbro Posted August 8, 2010 Posted August 8, 2010 Curse is awesome and all, but Arakune will never be top tier material. I think you should study the post above you, then remember that Arakune gets 100% curse off maybe 5-7 different starters.
mundus Posted August 8, 2010 Posted August 8, 2010 Curse is awesome and all, but Arakune will never be top tier material. OK man, characters that can oneshot the char with highest HP in the game are not top tier material... He has some bad match ups, but guess right twice and the round is over.
Dacidbro Posted August 8, 2010 Posted August 8, 2010 The ironic part is his worst matchups aren't the top tier. It's Lambda, and I think Hazama.
Commanderoftroy Posted August 8, 2010 Posted August 8, 2010 Yeah and then we forget to mention that even if you do block well enough when cursed your guard primers will disappear so fast itll make your brain hurt. Had an arakune break my guard in about 7 or 8 seconds and last time i checked i had 10 guard primers.
A.X.I.S. Posted August 8, 2010 Posted August 8, 2010 we its lambda and litchi. also arakune can one shot you but that combo is character specific being specific and situational as fuck. you guys act like when he's cursed he's gonna 2C or j.C and your not gonna try to block it, or CA or whatever to get yourself out. tager is the only character that can't do much in curse but that's just him. ara is not like CT he will never be the same, ever. sure he can get curse off 5-6 set ups but it doesn't mean he is gonna 12k+ you afterward. I swear sometimes you guys like taking your panties and shoving them up your asses for nothing.
Dacidbro Posted August 8, 2010 Posted August 8, 2010 we its lambda and litchi. also arakune can one shot you but that combo is character specific being specific and situational as fuck. you guys act like when he's cursed he's gonna 2C or j.C and your not gonna try to block it, or CA or whatever to get yourself out. tager is the only character that can't do much in curse but that's just him. ara is not like CT he will never be the same, ever. sure he can get curse off 5-6 set ups but it doesn't mean he is gonna 12k+ you afterward. I swear sometimes you guys like taking your panties and shoving them up your asses for nothing. You post some of the dumbest stuff, consistently. And yet, even though you're talking about it like it's easy to avoid, you're going to get hit by the jC vague cross up, and you're going to die, and you're going to scratch your head and think "Well maybe this isn't as simple as I thought" Or maybe, he's going to teleport feint, and you're not going to know exactly when to block crossup, and one of those 100% proration bugs is going to hit you and you'll take 10k damage. Then maybe you'll think about it. But until you stop playing theory fighter, you're gonna stay free as shit
Commanderoftroy Posted August 8, 2010 Posted August 8, 2010 You post some of the dumbest stuff, consistently. And yet, even though you're talking about it like it's easy to avoid, you're going to get hit by the jC vague cross up, and you're going to die, and you're going to scratch your head and think "Well maybe this isn't as simple as I thought" Or maybe, he's going to teleport feint, and you're not going to know exactly when to block crossup, and one of those 100% proration bugs is going to hit you and you'll take 10k damage. Then maybe you'll think about it. But until you stop playing theory fighter, you're gonna stay free as shit Yeah i can deal with the vague cross ups usually but that teleport behind you, its harder to react to you almost have to block the opposite direction preemptively which makes shit a lot worse.
Dacidbro Posted August 8, 2010 Posted August 8, 2010 You do, because you can't move the stick from 4 to 6 in 0 or less frames, which is often how fast the bug will hit you after you see Arakune (Meaning you will not always even get a tell)
A.X.I.S. Posted August 8, 2010 Posted August 8, 2010 You post some of the dumbest stuff, consistently. And yet, even though you're talking about it like it's easy to avoid, you're going to get hit by the jC vague cross up, and you're going to die, and you're going to scratch your head and think "Well maybe this isn't as simple as I thought" Or maybe, he's going to teleport feint, and you're not going to know exactly when to block crossup, and one of those 100% proration bugs is going to hit you and you'll take 10k damage. Then maybe you'll think about it. But until you stop playing theory fighter, you're gonna stay free as shit wow dacid your dumb. all I'm saying is that its not assured that the first thing he's gonna do is j.C. this isn't theory fighter, you just can't block.
Commanderoftroy Posted August 8, 2010 Posted August 8, 2010 Yeah to those who stick to a pattern its slightly easier, i have blocked it usually have to be blocking before he comes up out of the ground from what i can tell. Although i may come out of it with about 2 primers left and i dont feel there is any use in using barrier the whole time unless you get low on primers.
Coopadaddy Posted August 8, 2010 Posted August 8, 2010 My opinion on CS arakune is that yes, he is a very, very, good character. Top 3? Debatable. The strange thing about Arakune, from myself playing him is that, against Bang, Ragna, Litchi, the matchups seem to be somewhat even. HOWEVER, Lambda, Hazama, and Hakumen, it is an entirely different story. Lambda-Arakune matchup is hardly any different then Nu-Arakune matchup. Hazama it is hard for me to comment on, because of the lack of good hazamas that are capable of playing on XBL. But with Hakumen, every fight seems like a chore, almost impossible to fight hakumen from an air-air standpoint as Arakune. So you become reliant on zoning with clouds(thank god they don't count as projectiles anymore). So then, you finally get hakumen cursed, but the fight is far from won. One well timing sword attack from Hakumen requires you to through yourself at the black hole where hakumen is free to keep you at a distance from it(and of course not throwing out any more bugs to refresh the time). Not only does he have the black hole, a well timed counter will lead to massive damage requiring a burst or simply Arakune is dead. So TLDR; Arakune is an amazing character and should definitely be high tier, but I am not sure if he can be top 3 with some of the matchups put before him.
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