notsogos Posted September 1, 2010 Posted September 1, 2010 words spaz/troll its all the same if youre a mental magician, i guess You see, this thread is for intelligent discussion about matchups. If all you post is unintelligent discussion, i think its time to stop posting
soujiro seta Posted September 1, 2010 Posted September 1, 2010 I went away for a bit, and I'm heading out again. When I return I'll explain why tsu vs rag/hak/bang/litchi is easily 7-3. nostogos post is right on the money. I'll try and go into a bit more detail if i can. I'm guessing he also uses tsubaki, just like I do. You really have to use her against those 4 characters to understand why I say 7-3.
HiagoX Posted September 1, 2010 Posted September 1, 2010 Yeah sure, next you'll tell me Tsubaki vs. Arakune is 8-2.
Lord Knight Posted September 1, 2010 Posted September 1, 2010 He meant 7-3 in their favor, not Tsubaki's.
notsogos Posted September 1, 2010 Posted September 1, 2010 nostogos[/b] post is right on the money. I'll try and go into a bit more detail if i can. I'm guessing he also uses tsubaki, just like I do (i dont even play this game)
smooshman Posted September 1, 2010 Posted September 1, 2010 (i dont even play this game) .............................................. on topic, Jin vs Ragna, 6.5:3.5. 6:4 if I knockout the other guy before the match.
notsogos Posted September 1, 2010 Posted September 1, 2010 dont get it twisted, I dont play this game seriously but whens its game time its S-TYME SOGOS TAKES YOUR MONEY EVERYTIME
Diveman Posted September 2, 2010 Posted September 2, 2010 some dude was telling me how hazama is now A+ tier...and I was like "whaaaa...?" is that actually true? did they discover some kind of new stuff about him?
ZONG_one Posted September 2, 2010 Posted September 2, 2010 Hmm, I've been playing some Carls from Brazil. Imo it's not that much. Maybe 6.5-3.5, but certainly not 7-3. Hell, I could even say 6-4. Maybe I just need match up experience. But it reminds me of CT Rachel when her lobelias went through Nirvana.. Carl does generally bad in a match where Nirvana doesn't do much to stop projectiles. >.> some dude was telling me how hazama is now A+ tier...and I was like "whaaaa...?" is that actually true? did they discover some kind of new stuff about him?
Kuuhaku Posted September 2, 2010 Posted September 2, 2010 I think they're going by the number of Hazamas that qualified for SBO. Which... isn't really an accurate way of determining someone's tier.
Dacidbro Posted September 2, 2010 Posted September 2, 2010 dont get it twisted, I dont play this game seriously but whens its game time its S-TYME SOGOS TAKES YOUR MONEY EVERYTIME Post more and come to west coast sometime
Arifureta Posted September 2, 2010 Posted September 2, 2010 Jayoku is too good of a punish. His oki game is really good (but then again that's old news). His defense is retardedly tight. Like, being in corner isn't even as bad for him as it is for other people. Not sure if it warrants an A+ ranking though.
smooshman Posted September 2, 2010 Posted September 2, 2010 Jayoku is too good of a punish. His oki game is really good (but then again that's old news). His defense is retardedly tight. Like, being in corner isn't even as bad for him as it is for other people. Not sure if it warrants an A+ ranking though. what? maybe for a game without tech rolls... and Jayoku's a punish super. I just don't see him as that good. he's good, but not A+ material.
Black Onslaught Posted September 2, 2010 Posted September 2, 2010 He has dozens of ways to link into his only BnB that gets him 34-36 meter, which does 2.1-3.1k, has a good zoning game, command grab that has invul properties that let you get 34-36 more meter, meter which is spent on jayoku FCs which hit for like 4-8(?)k, and during which he nets 34-36 more meter to do it again.
FlyingVe Posted September 2, 2010 Posted September 2, 2010 what? maybe for a game without tech rolls... and Jayoku's a punish super. I just don't see him as that good. he's good, but not A+ material. Mid screen his oki may be average, but in the corner, he is a god. He has so many ways to stop techrolls and jump outs (2a, 5B), plus if he has meter he can OS Jayoku for huge damage. Once you stop rolling you have to endure his brief but dangerous mixup. @Zong: As a mu player. I feel that the Mu carl matchup is only about 6-4 Mu. Mu can deal with the puppet, but it never seems like it's a full proof way of keeping Carl out, and once carl gets in Mu is in alot of trouble.
smooshman Posted September 2, 2010 Posted September 2, 2010 snip. yeah, but what's his oki? tech rolls prevent effective 214D mixup.... and I can't think of any way he can controll tech rolls. EDIT: thank you flyingve.
Black Onslaught Posted September 2, 2010 Posted September 2, 2010 If you tech roll you're eating option select jayoku.
smooshman Posted September 2, 2010 Posted September 2, 2010 If you tech roll you're eating option select jayoku. you can option select jayoku? 236236BC?
Black Onslaught Posted September 2, 2010 Posted September 2, 2010 214214(A)B or 214214B if they tech foward they eat jayoku, if they tech back they eat 2B
ZONG_one Posted September 2, 2010 Posted September 2, 2010 At FlyingVe. I'm tempted to say you're not setting up your steins right if Carl is getting in on you easily... But I'll wait, because like I said, I may just need more matchup exp against Mu.
FlyingVe Posted September 2, 2010 Posted September 2, 2010 And I need more matchup experience against Carl, so I could very well be doing it wrong. My general Mu experience though, is that, if I can knock carl (or any non-Bang character) away, I can zone crazy good (borderline lockdown against carl and rachel). But at other times (not fullscreen) setting stiens is pretty risky, and the command laser takes a few hours to recover. Edit: The match-up definitely sucks for carl, regardless.
TGS Posted September 2, 2010 Posted September 2, 2010 Mu's normals give Carl a lot of trouble as well. Just putting that out there.
Hecatom Posted September 2, 2010 Posted September 2, 2010 so people what is the most accurate tier list by now, and is there a matchup chart that its updated?
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