seyu Posted October 4, 2010 Posted October 4, 2010 dude._. someone with actual reason. sounds good to me though. keep up the good work
currentlemon Posted October 4, 2010 Posted October 4, 2010 I'm still wondering why Rachel vs Tager is 6.5-3.5 Tager's favor. I mean yeah it's Tager's favor, but its not that bad. Same thing with Rachel vs Hakumen and Noel. The rest I can agree though.
St1ckBuG Posted October 4, 2010 Posted October 4, 2010 If netplay makes people that bad then I must be the second coming of Jesus Christ offline. stickbug: http://www.dustloop.com/forums/showthread.php?7953-Noel-Guide-for-CS&p=779954&viewfull=1#post779954 but w/e All those numbers you have listed are within .5 of what's already on the chart. Thanks though.
Synthesis Posted October 4, 2010 Posted October 4, 2010 I've already posted what I believe to be Mu's matchups. How are the numbers looking for that? I wouldn't mind reposting them if you don't have them. EDIT: Yeah... those numbers look kind of bad for Mu. My opinion: Jin: 5.5 - 4.5 to 6 - 4 Mu Lambda: 5.5 - 4.5 to 6 - 4 Mu Tager: No better than 3.5 - 6.5 for the poor character. Rachel: at least 6 - 4 Mu Tsubaki: 6 - 4 Mu Again, I'd say she's SOLIDLY mid tier, because she destroys everyone below her but loses to top. Also, she beasts against Carl, easily. Ask Zong. xD
St1ckBuG Posted October 4, 2010 Posted October 4, 2010 I've already posted what I believe to be Mu's matchups. How are the numbers looking for that? I wouldn't mind reposting them if you don't have them. EDIT: Yeah... those numbers look kind of bad for Mu. My opinion: Jin: 5.5 - 4.5 to 6 - 4 Mu Lambda: 5.5 - 4.5 to 6 - 4 Mu Tager: No better than 3.5 - 6.5 for the poor character. Rachel: at least 6 - 4 Mu Tsubaki: 6 - 4 Mu Again, I'd say she's SOLIDLY mid tier, because she destroys everyone below her but loses to top. Also, she beasts against Carl, easily. Ask Zong. xD All those numbers match (or is in your range of) what's already on the chart. Thanks.
TheGreatReptar Posted October 4, 2010 Posted October 4, 2010 dude you guys dropped a fucking nuke People are actually talking about matchups again though.
Yggjrasil Posted October 4, 2010 Posted October 4, 2010 The recent tier list and what St1ckBuG says seems right, but I can't shake the feeling that Arakune should be a bit higher than he is right now...Or maybe it's just because I use Ragna that I have this thought. but it's just an opinion, not trying to state facts or anything.
ZONG_one Posted October 4, 2010 Posted October 4, 2010 I see. Mr Biscuits and Zong must of been playing some free-ass Lambdas. Your blocking is just ass. I guess Zong bodies Goryus free so that's why, LMAO. lol my Carl might, but I don't even know if I've played him with my Ara. Severin rapes my Ara too a lot of the time. But given a character where 1.5 combos = 100% life, I don't see how a matchup could ever be lower than 4-6.
LordSpectreX Posted October 4, 2010 Posted October 4, 2010 Your blocking is just ass. That's besides the point. :P
ZONG_one Posted October 4, 2010 Posted October 4, 2010 That's besides the point. :P Lol. *looks around, suspiciously.*
Mr.Biscuits Posted October 4, 2010 Posted October 4, 2010 The only matchup where it can be worse than 6-4 for Ara is Hazama (6.5 - 3.5) and that's still debatable. I really don't think he has anything worse than that. Curse is just too good for him to have anything 7-3.
LordSpectreX Posted October 4, 2010 Posted October 4, 2010 So how do you curse characters like Lambda or Mu from far away? Summon homing cloud and hope they dont know how to jump?
Mr.Biscuits Posted October 4, 2010 Posted October 4, 2010 So how do you curse characters like Lambda or Mu from far away? Summon homing cloud and hope they dont know how to jump? You're super free if Jump back > you. LMAO
LordSpectreX Posted October 4, 2010 Posted October 4, 2010 You're super free if Jump back > you. LMAO I'm not entirely sure what you mean. I meant if they just jump over the homing cloud.
DC Posted October 4, 2010 Posted October 4, 2010 All those numbers you have listed are within .5 of what's already on the chart. Thanks though. There was also some more discussion following my post debating whether or not Litchi should be 65/35. I think the most glaringly obvious things that need to be changed or possibly discussed some more are Noel/Tager and Noel/Hazama.
Mr.Biscuits Posted October 4, 2010 Posted October 4, 2010 I meant if jumping back is all they have to do to avoid you then you're free. If you get a homing cloud that's a free 30% curse. With Homing cloud out you can set up your offense and push her to the corner. If they come to you, even better. The matchup is hard, but all you need to do is curse her. Any bullshit combo will kill her, no need to even go for resets or anything. Just block and block and block. Teleport here and there and punish her for doing dumb shit. Basically don't push any buttons, your main shit should just be blocking.
St1ckBuG Posted October 4, 2010 Posted October 4, 2010 Noel/Tager was changed to favor Tager. Only waiting on Jin input and then worldjem will be making it look pretty in excel.
LordSpectreX Posted October 4, 2010 Posted October 4, 2010 I meant if jumping back is all they have to do to avoid you then you're free. If you get a homing cloud that's a free 30% curse. With Homing cloud out you can set up your offense and push her to the corner. If they come to you, even better. The matchup is hard, but all you need to do is curse her. Any bullshit combo will kill her, no need to even go for resets or anything. Just block and block and block. Teleport here and there and punish her for doing dumb shit. Basically don't push any buttons, your main shit should just be blocking. Yes, sir. Even if I do feel like a little bitch for it. But then again, I did choose to be an Arakune main.
Mr.Biscuits Posted October 4, 2010 Posted October 4, 2010 Playing smart/lame is what you have to do against her. Just block and resist the urge to push buttons. Her buttons > yours.
ZONG_one Posted October 4, 2010 Posted October 4, 2010 With ara, if you're outzoned (lambda/mu/hakumenlololol/ara mirror), just be gay as fuck. Being gay > your opponent.
mAc Chaos Posted October 4, 2010 Posted October 4, 2010 The Hakumen numbers make sense. I'm not sure if Tager Haku is 6.5 but maybe a Tager player can say something. Maybe 6/4? I dunno. Anything specific that made you put it at 6.5?
LordSpectreX Posted October 4, 2010 Posted October 4, 2010 Maybe cause 4C and j.C means that he pretty much never gets close, I imagine.
huey253 Posted October 4, 2010 Posted October 4, 2010 this is totally not true, how many matches have you seen won with just 4C and jC also, hakumen is in counter hit state when he uses these moves, and can be punished within a certain range. 4C and jC are also horrible on iB
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