huey253 Posted October 2, 2010 Posted October 2, 2010 It's awful. Matchup in a nutshell: Lambda sits at 3/4 screen distance from Arakune. Arakune can't really do anything thanks to 6D. east coast tier list says your wrong. its only 5.5 4.5 in lambda's favor, obviously the arakune isn't playing correct All numbers in this chart are 100% correct.
Mumm-Ra Posted October 2, 2010 Posted October 2, 2010 isn't Arakune vs lambda pretty bad for arakune? Its terrible. Some say its better since Lambda isn't as good as CT Nu, but Arakune's nerfs seem to compensate for this, it could be the same as before, or even worse now, since Lambda's Drive moves are still Arakune's antithesis and now you have to build your curse meter unlike before were you only needed one hit. I'd say its 6.5-3.5 or even 7-3 in Lambda's favour.
LordSpectreX Posted October 2, 2010 Posted October 2, 2010 J.D was the only thing that made Nu slightly possible in CT. And now, it doesn't trade for shit.
severin Posted October 2, 2010 Posted October 2, 2010 JAPAN tier list says your wrong. its only 5.5 4.5 in lambda's favor, obviously the arakune isn't playing correct Guess I'm a scrub then.
Mumm-Ra Posted October 2, 2010 Posted October 2, 2010 J.D was the only thing that made Nu slightly possible in CT. And now, it doesn't trade for shit. Haha, yeah. Praying for j.D to trade to be able to do ANYTHING afterwards. Good times.
huey253 Posted October 2, 2010 Posted October 2, 2010 its okay, i forgive you for being a total nincompoop. EDIT: i think Bang vs Lambda is legit 7-3.
St1ckBuG Posted October 2, 2010 Posted October 2, 2010 Black Star read the disclaimer... good shit. I'll update the chart soon. Prepare for Mu top-tier. Edit: I changed a few numbers for Makoto and I'll consider changing the Lambda match-up against Arakune (it will probably change). If anyone actually lists a legit reason for me to believe that the match-up should change I'll consider making the chart better for the good of the community. Things that will help your opinion would be: -I know you. -I know you. -I've seen you play (and not be a mashing scrub). -I know you. +/- .5 requests are ignored.
Halcyone3 Posted October 3, 2010 Posted October 3, 2010 FYI, this list was made by people who play their respective characters. The people saying that Tager rapes Noel are the same people who thought that match-up was hard in CT... stay free. Also, I guess that first list was bad too, since it listed the match-up at 5-5... and nothing has changed since then. Guess you haven't taken this thread seriously for 240 pages. (Then again, who actually has taken this thread seriously?) who were in charge of noel, makoto, and tager? im curious as to how they feel the tager match-up is even vs noel or in his favor vs makoto. Especially the makoto one, i don't see how tager has the advantage at all.
CrushrDestroyr Posted October 3, 2010 Posted October 3, 2010 To whomever was involved with the Ragna segment of this tier list or to any of you who worked on it who feel confident enough your Ragna/Lambda knowledge to answer this question: Why is Ragna v Lambda listed as 4-6 in Lambda's favor? From what I recall, Ragna v Nu was listed as 5.5-4.5 in NU's favor in CT, and the only things I can think of that have changed in the matchup are that Lambda can no longer get free 5k+ combos from full screen without specific setups, but now she actually has a reversal to help deal with pressure (which was quite honestly the one thing NU was bad at in CT). I don't think these changes would result in much of an overall shift in the matchup though, much less a sway into a favorable matchup for Lambda. If there's something else I'm missing that warrants this, though, please enlighten me. I'd appreciate the input.
Henaki Posted October 3, 2010 Posted October 3, 2010 To whomever was involved with the Ragna segment of this tier list or to any of you who worked on it who feel confident enough your Ragna/Lambda knowledge to answer this question: Why is Ragna v Lambda listed as 4-6 in Lambda's favor? From what I recall, Ragna v Nu was listed as 5.5-4.5 in NU's favor in CT, and the only things I can think of that have changed in the matchup are that Lambda can no longer get free 5k+ combos from full screen without specific setups, but now she actually has a reversal to help deal with pressure (which was quite honestly the one thing NU was bad at in CT). I don't think these changes would result in much of an overall shift in the matchup though, much less a sway into a favorable matchup for Lambda. If there's something else I'm missing that warrants this, though, please enlighten me. I'd appreciate the input. im sorry japan is right and you are wrong
Zeromus_X Posted October 3, 2010 Posted October 3, 2010 Cause that totally helps him understand or even has anything to do with what he was asking. >_> This thread has got some serious elitism/possible trolling going on right now.
Firekid2 Posted October 3, 2010 Posted October 3, 2010 ^I'm pretty sure Henaki is just kidding. It is difficult to tell, though... But yeah, I'd like to know the reasoning behind Makoto being worse off against Tager than Noel. At the very least, Mak can dp though Gadget shenanigans, while Noel can't really do anything save for a distortion if she gets caught. But, admittedly, I suck at this game so please explain.
mAc Chaos Posted October 3, 2010 Posted October 3, 2010 lol, it's not a serious matchup chart guys, why are you even asking :P They just threw some random numbers together and were like LOL LET'S TROLL.
skd Posted October 3, 2010 Posted October 3, 2010 Team stickbug obviously knows the perfect matchup chart but can they see why kids love cinnamon toast crunch Also 5 pages of almost useless posts could have been avoided had people read the fucking disclaimer i suggest red and bold
Nobus3r1 Posted October 3, 2010 Posted October 3, 2010 Yo, this is easily the most trollable non-Mimeblade thread in America, get at it. Fixed for truthiness.
St1ckBuG Posted October 3, 2010 Posted October 3, 2010 who were in charge of noel, makoto, and tager? im curious as to how they feel the tager match-up is even vs noel or in his favor vs makoto. Especially the makoto one, i don't see how tager has the advantage at all. If all OmniSScythe had to change from my own opinion was that the Tager match-up should be flopped (other than +/- .5 stuff, which I will flat out ignore... no offense Omni) then you could say I was responsible for Makoto. Tager was filled in using the opposite match-ups. Noel was also filled in using the opposite match-ups. There are no local Noels I felt comfortable getting info from (except from Nas or maybe DanyScheme), but it was damn easy to guess what her match-ups are like. In CT, the match-up was well in Noel's favor, but because she lost 6C as a reliable anti-air and the fact that she can't do 5A auto-pressure anymore (which was only 1 of her stupid pressure options against him BTW) the match-up changed slightly. If you don't think it's fair to call that match-up even you're just fooling yourself. If that's all people are complaining about on the Noel side of things, then kudos people: your beloved bottom-tier Noel match-ups were filled out by people who don't play her. It's amazing what common sense can accomplish sometimes. To whomever was involved with the Ragna segment of this tier list or to any of you who worked on it who feel confident enough your Ragna/Lambda knowledge to answer this question: Why is Ragna v Lambda listed as 4-6 in Lambda's favor? From what I recall, Ragna v Nu was listed as 5.5-4.5 in NU's favor in CT, and the only things I can think of that have changed in the matchup are that Lambda can no longer get free 5k+ combos from full screen without specific setups, but now she actually has a reversal to help deal with pressure (which was quite honestly the one thing NU was bad at in CT). I don't think these changes would result in much of an overall shift in the matchup though, much less a sway into a favorable matchup for Lambda. If there's something else I'm missing that warrants this, though, please enlighten me. I'd appreciate the input. Ragna was filled in randomly because everyone and their mother can play Ragna (including myself) and because Veteru doesn't like match-up charts. I also main Lambda, so yeah, here you go: Ragna has no safe reliable way of getting in without risking something, whether it be primers or health. He has to run the gauntlet once he's knocked away. A 'good' Lambda will keep a 'good' Ragna out a majority of the time. If you think the match-up is actually 5.5-4.5 in Lambda's favor, then you need to start reading my posts: arguing +/- .5 differences in opinion is pretty much putting yourself on Blade status. lol, it's not a serious matchup chart guys, why are you even asking :P They just threw some random numbers together and were like LOL LET'S TROLL. See you at NEC man (I hope?). Stay gdlk. Team stickbug obviously knows the perfect matchup chart but can they see why kids love cinnamon toast crunch Also 5 pages of almost useless posts could have been avoided had people read the fucking disclaimer i suggest red and bold That disclaimer is 100% right. I love this game. You just doubled the amount of people who actually love this game.
LuminAbyss Posted October 3, 2010 Posted October 3, 2010 Ragna has no safe reliable way of getting in without risking something, whether it be primers or health. He has to run the gauntlet once he's knocked away. A 'good' Lambda will keep a 'good' Ragna out a majority of the time. And this is why I hate playing against Lambda
LunaKage Posted October 3, 2010 Posted October 3, 2010 Stickbug, you just changed my life. Stay gdlk.
CrushrDestroyr Posted October 3, 2010 Posted October 3, 2010 Ragna was filled in randomly because everyone and their mother can play Ragna (including myself) and because Veteru doesn't like match-up charts. I also main Lambda, so yeah, here you go: Ragna has no safe reliable way of getting in without risking something, whether it be primers or health. He has to run the gauntlet once he's knocked away. A 'good' Lambda will keep a 'good' Ragna out a majority of the time. Makes sense. Thanks a lot for a straight answer. Your input is appreciated. If you think the match-up is actually 5.5-4.5 in Lambda's favor, then you need to start reading my posts: arguing +/- .5 differences in opinion is pretty much putting yourself on Blade status. My apologies. I'll keep that in mind.
Henaki Posted October 3, 2010 Posted October 3, 2010 lol, it's not a serious matchup chart guys, why are you even asking :P They just threw some random numbers together and were like LOL LET'S TROLL. didnt you get like last place at summer jam
Henaki Posted October 3, 2010 Posted October 3, 2010 Nope. well i didnt see your name in top 13 in the freest tournament in the world so.......
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