ghaleon109 Posted June 13, 2009 Posted June 13, 2009 ^^ Lol.. Took some better photos today with my strobes... ...It's not making waiting for BB any easier
Hellfromabove Posted June 13, 2009 Posted June 13, 2009 ^^ Lol.. Took some better photos today with my strobes... snip... ...It's not making waiting for BB any easier Nice work, did you use just the plexi for the top of it? It doesn't look like there is anything under the plexi other than the art, that's why I'm asking. Also, where's the home button at? One last thing, how far did you route into the top of the wood for the mounting plate? -Tha Hindu
ghaleon109 Posted June 13, 2009 Posted June 13, 2009 Thanks HFA From the top it goes: 1/8" plexi, art, then 1/2" MDF. The MDF makes it a really solid surface to back up the buttons and mount the joystick to. Also gives it a nice weight. For the joystick mounting plate the wood gets routed out 1/4" so that from the top of the plexi to the bottom of the balltop it's just under an inch (was regulation height I believe) On this one I wired it just a bit differently since I put 4 buttons in. (I didn't have to, It really only needs 3 but I wanted it symmetrical) in the photo above from left to right it goes: Start - Home/Guide - USB Port - Imp Switch - Back/Select Typically to save space you can wire the Imp switch and Home/Guide to the same button... but I was trying to keep the half black half white theme.
Hellfromabove Posted June 13, 2009 Posted June 13, 2009 Thanks HFA From the top it goes: 1/8" plexi, art, then 1/2" MDF. The MDF makes it a really solid surface to back up the buttons and mount the joystick to. Also gives it a nice weight. For the joystick mounting plate the wood gets routed out 1/4" so that from the top of the plexi to the bottom of the balltop it's just under an inch (was regulation height I believe) On this one I wired it just a bit differently since I put 4 buttons in. (I didn't have to, It really only needs 3 but I wanted it symmetrical) in the photo above from left to right it goes: Start - Home/Guide - USB Port - Imp Switch - Back/Select Typically to save space you can wire the Imp switch and Home/Guide to the same button... but I was trying to keep the half black half white theme. Ah okay, cool. Thanks for clearing those up for me. Also, I had asked about how you were able to mount the plexi without the use of screws because it of course looks much better without them. Thanks for the info. -Tha Hindu
Brother Bone Posted June 13, 2009 Posted June 13, 2009 Well, I finally went ahead and ordered myself a stick from Arcade-in-a-Box. It'll be my first stick, so I'm pretty happy about this. I'm generally pretty patient (except when driving), so the wait doesn't really bother me. Just gonna have to stick to regular ol' 360 controller when BB comes until then.
ghaleon109 Posted June 13, 2009 Posted June 13, 2009 Ah okay, cool. Thanks for clearing those up for me. Also, I had asked about how you were able to mount the plexi without the use of screws because it of course looks much better without them. Thanks for the info. -Tha Hindu Oh my bad I didn't see the screw comment. The screwless plexi is more difficult to do because basically it needs to fit perfectly into the corners. If even one is off it'll float up and be able to be pushed up and down. If you can get it right then it'll fit really tight in there and not go anywhere.
Meever Posted June 13, 2009 Posted June 13, 2009 What would the best solution to playing PS2/3 games be? Buy a PS2 stick and pick up an adapter?
thegame4ever Posted June 14, 2009 Posted June 14, 2009 What would the best solution to playing PS2/3 games be? Buy a PS2 stick and pick up an adapter? http://www.play-asia.com/paOS-13-71-m-77-1-49-en-15-hori+real+arcade+pro-70-2sxy.html + http://www.play-asia.com/paOS-13-71-zq-49-en-70-2noo.html but too bad the ps2/ps3 converter is outta stock. I use it and its lagless.
ghaleon109 Posted June 14, 2009 Posted June 14, 2009 What would the best solution to playing PS2/3 games be? Buy a PS2 stick and pick up an adapter? If your savy with electronics you can use a Multi-Console Cthulhu from Toodles over on SRK to replace your current stick's PCB with that. You'd also get Gamecube, Xbox (not 360), and Sega Saturn compatibility along with your PSX/PS2/PS3 and PC compatibility (Think all of those are correct, not 100% on the sega saturn though...) and it's super cheap at 25 bucks... If you just want it simple thegame4ever above has the answer, just sucks they're out of stock.
iora Posted June 14, 2009 Posted June 14, 2009 Wooden Box, Seimitsu Buttons/Sanwa Stick, PS2 & Xbox360 stick (the pcb from a SE, and a MC-Cthuhlu set to PS2) <3
thegame4ever Posted June 15, 2009 Posted June 15, 2009 iora why is your button layout like that? Isnt it bettter to have some kind of curve going on?
Blade Posted June 15, 2009 Posted June 15, 2009 Let me ask you guys something...how much would a custom joystick go for that could do multiple systems and USB/Firewire/Bluetooth compatiblility? I've been thinking of trying something that works on multiple consoles but also on PC as well.
ghaleon109 Posted June 15, 2009 Posted June 15, 2009 Let me ask you guys something...how much would a custom joystick go for that could do multiple systems and USB/Firewire/Bluetooth compatiblility? I've been thinking of trying something that works on multiple consoles but also on PC as well. Edit: I tend to ramble... so if you aren't interested in all of the jumbled sentences below skip to the * below... Depends on how custom you want to go... If your talking compatibility with multiple systems you can actually leave the stick out of the entire equation if you already have one you play on now. Say you were able to snag a SFIV TE stick, or hell even an SE: Best case senario: You bought an Xbox 360 stick. You can just piggyback that PCB with a Cthulhu to add PS3 and PC compatibility to your already working xbox 360 stick. (you can add a Multi Console Cthulhu for $5 more and gain PSX/PS2/Xbox (not 360)/Gamecube/(maybe sega saturn, dont remember...) to the compatibility above. Other Senario: You didn't buy your SE or TE sticks for the Xbox 360, you bought it for the PS3.... Well You'll still need to buy the Cthulhu and still have the same options as above, just now you need to go to gamestop and buy a $25 Madcatz gamepad. Ok so... if you decided to go with the regular Cthulhu everything can be functional from ONE USB cord... simple as that. Pull out your USB printer cable hook one end up to the console and the other to the stick and your good to go. If you go the Multi Console Cthulhu route you'll have to use an ethernet style cable. One for your USB systems (PS3/360/PC) and another for each additional system you want it for. IE: PS2/Gamecube/Xbox those each need their OWN individual cables. One end goes into the system like normal then the other end gets modified to go into the ethernet jack on the stick itself. Now one thing I haven't commented on is the way that you change from system to system. To put it simply you just buy another small PCB called an "Imp" and it allows you to easily change systems with a button. Now that may seem daunting... but if you have any experience soldering then it's really not that difficult to do. It's just very time consuming. And here's the good part... Cthulhu = $20 Multi-Console Cthulhu = $25 Imp swtich = $9 Xbox 360 PCB = $25 * So worst case senario you have a non-madcatz and non-xbox 360 stick... and you want 360/PS3/PC/PS2 compatibility... MC Cthulhu + Imp Switch + 360 PCB = 25 + 9 + 25 = $59 Now if you need someone to do that for you, you'll end up paying more because it takes hours to do it all, and labor isn't free. But if your good with wiring there you go A fully custom stick can varry drasticaly depending on what you want though if you were looking to go that route. Personally I've had real basic sticks sell for around $225-$250 and top of the line shit go for $350+ Hope that helps
Blade Posted June 15, 2009 Posted June 15, 2009 I just needed a price range, for now...thanks for all the info. It's something I've been considering, but I won't make the plunge till I make the console plunge. When I do I go all out in terms of customization of everything, controls, hard drive, everything.
iora Posted June 15, 2009 Posted June 15, 2009 the madcatz x360 and ps3 sticks both work on pc easiest easiest solution buy a x360 madcatz SE, buy a Pre-assembled Cthulu board, buy an imp switch... follow the tutorial thread on SRK or some builders make dual console sticks.... that arent bad pricewise if you arent handy
ghaleon109 Posted June 16, 2009 Posted June 16, 2009 I just needed a price range, for now...thanks for all the info. It's something I've been considering, but I won't make the plunge till I make the console plunge. When I do I go all out in terms of customization of everything, controls, hard drive, everything. I was stuck in a rut thinking about which console to get... then my GF got me a 360 for christmas and I really couldn't be happier. The ONLY game I miss is MGS4, but it seems that future MG games will be released on both consoles so ehh. You cant go wrong with either or... A dual modded stick makes all the difference though. All of my friends have PS3's and I've got a 360. Now that I built my stick for 360 and PS3 It's really not a problem anymore. Sticks are kinda funny though, the most expensive stuff isn't always the best. It's all about preferance. You could get a JLF and a set of OSBN-RG's for $75 and decide it feels like shit, yet you may end up liking the LS-32 and set of Seimitsu snap-ins for $35 instead. Just find out what company's parts you like best and go with that. And just FYI it doesn't have to be the same company for the joysticks and buttons. I know a lot of guys that like an LS-32 paired with Sanwa Snap-ins. So try everything out (if you can) If you were thinking of going fully custom though check out the SRK trading outlet. There are a few guys there that do exceptional work. Look up: Ecksnine Voltech Souji5 Kaytrim They all do great work and are pretty competitive pricewise. I build sticks as well, but I'm not sure how many more I'll put out after BB hits the consoles.
iora Posted June 16, 2009 Posted June 16, 2009 quick addition to that if you think youll rest your hand on your buttons AT ALL i would advise against sanwa buttons.... they are feather-touch responsive.... which means even the slightest lean of your hand will throw out accidental bursts and shit if you arent lazy, its a non-point... but thats a serious thing to be awares of :D sanwa stick = a little easier to play with, a little quieter with the clicking seimitsu stick = a little more effort is required to move it (just a lil though) and its kinda loud i would honestly call sanwa a little better straight out stick wise sanwa buttons = super responsive, almost to a fault depending on user.... but super quick = minimal effort to play and execute fancy shit seimitsu buttons = you hafta click em down to activate em, like a regular button.... so the response isnt AS quick, but you can feel and hear when your activating the switch (a.b.a. rekka's on these is fun because you wanna hit it hard and you hear clicks and its just great solid fun for the whole family) buttons go down to preference: do you want them to activate the moment you touch them, or when you actually press down downward?
ghaleon109 Posted June 16, 2009 Posted June 16, 2009 quick addition to that if you think youll rest your hand on your buttons AT ALL i would advise against sanwa buttons.... they are feather-touch responsive.... which means even the slightest lean of your hand will throw out accidental bursts and shit if you arent lazy, its a non-point... but thats a serious thing to be awares of :D sanwa stick = a little easier to play with, a little quieter with the clicking seimitsu stick = a little more effort is required to move it (just a lil though) and its kinda loud i would honestly call sanwa a little better straight out stick wise sanwa buttons = super responsive, almost to a fault depending on user.... but super quick = minimal effort to play and execute fancy shit seimitsu buttons = you hafta click em down to activate em, like a regular button.... so the response isnt AS quick, but you can feel and hear when your activating the switch (a.b.a. rekka's on these is fun because you wanna hit it hard and you hear clicks and its just great solid fun for the whole family) buttons go down to preference: do you want them to activate the moment you touch them, or when you actually press down downward? ^ QFT JLF's have softer springs and longer throws (Octo and Square gates avalible) (JLF's are loud as fuck though if you don't have an enclosed box, Seimitsu sticks are as well but just a tiny bit quiter than Sanwa's JLF) LS-32's have medium throws and siffer springs (Square and Circle gates avalible) LS-40's have short throws and stiffer springs (Square and Octo? gates avalible) (LS 33's and 56's are just compact versions of the LS-40 with differing shaft lengths) Or you can get all tricky and take a JLF, toss in an extra spring from an LS 33 to make it stiffer and Happ cherry microswitches to make the throw shorter and the clicking quieter but that's another story Iora hit the nail on the head about the buttons.
qwerty Posted June 18, 2009 Posted June 18, 2009 i finally have a frickin stick. i've only been playing on it for three hours now and i've already overcome input barriers in this game that i couldn't do in over a year of playing on pad; kjt frc, actually utilizing kj frc's triple jump during combos (as opposed to just using the reset for j.H), wavedashing, staggers, etc. (the shots a bit crappy, since i actually had the camera on the stick while i did it, but that's a kjt frc) two of the problems i've always had when i've played on other people's sticks is that i can't get my motions right and i tend to inexplicably drop combos. with just a few hours of nonstop practice, i've been able to determine that the first problem was because i was doing the motions way too fast (a habit formed from playing on pad) and that the second problem was because i was pressing the buttons way too hard (a habit formed from playing on happ sticks). so just in case anyone has those same problems, that's how i solved them. i'm hangin up the pad for good.
Shazay Posted June 20, 2009 Author Posted June 20, 2009 If you were thinking of going fully custom though check out the SRK trading outlet. There are a few guys there that do exceptional work. Look up: Ecksnine Voltech Souji5 Kaytrim They all do great work and are pretty competitive pricewise. I build sticks as well, but I'm not sure how many more I'll put out after BB hits the consoles I'm putting this in the first post as the builders I have listed are probably dated.
Brother Bone Posted June 23, 2009 Posted June 23, 2009 Since I'm not getting my stick for a bit, I just have a normal 360 controller to tide me over, so I was curious on how people thought about the difference in using an analog over a joystick. I'm normally a pad player, but trying to change that. Is it actually similar, or is it completely different?
ghaleon109 Posted June 23, 2009 Posted June 23, 2009 I didn't find the analog stick to have any similarities to a joystick. Number one reason for me was that you use only your thumb on the analog, but you use your whole hand on a joystick. Feels completely different
thegame4ever Posted June 25, 2009 Posted June 25, 2009 The clicks...they just do it for me. You have control of the stick with your whole hand, and those satisfying clicks.
iora Posted June 25, 2009 Posted June 25, 2009 like others said, holding the stick makes the difference your thumb on your left hand will more naturally move to the left, and its not a bigger range of movement like your arm, so there are limitations in that aspect main reason i like stick better though is the buttons.... all on a flat panel means you can hit any combination of buttons much easier go ahead and try to hit RB-X-B at the same time on your pad, and youll see what i mean on a stick, no combination of buttons that a fighting game uses would feel uncomfortable, aside from like..... LP-MK-HP on a 6 button street fighter layout
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