Chris Chaos Posted June 28, 2010 Posted June 28, 2010 Bang vs Nu is prob 5-5 at the most idk where the hell this info is coming from >.> Well from my experience, it's pretty easy to tear apart Nu with Bang. And some other Bang players would agree with me. And there are a lot of Nu players who just hate Bang because of what he's capable of. 5-5 is probably more reasonable but I would say 6-4 in Bang's favor if I thing about most of the things Nu is capable of. I was leaning toward a 7-3 in Bang's favor but there are some Nu's that are on the level of "OMG, WTF just happened to me!" So I'll go with the 6-4.
cookiehours Posted June 28, 2010 Posted June 28, 2010 Well from my experience, it's pretty easy to tear apart Nu with Bang. And some other Bang players would agree with me. And there are a lot of Nu players who just hate Bang because of what he's capable of. 5-5 is probably more reasonable but I would say 6-4 in Bang's favor if I thing about most of the things Nu is capable of. I was leaning toward a 7-3 in Bang's favor but there are some Nu's that are on the level of "OMG, WTF just happened to me!" So I'll go with the 6-4. That's the problem. I'm clearly holding down and back, trying to block and shurikens are coming at me from all sides. Bang's pressure is insane. I never expected that from him but it's insane. And I would love some Nu mirror practice Overheat. As for Litchi...I had a bit of a fight with Vice so I guess I can talk to him and apologize. His Litchi frustrated me when I first fought him and I raged...*sigh*
KCMmmmm Posted June 28, 2010 Posted June 28, 2010 I'm kinda opposed to what KCM said as I believe the only way to get better is to fight actual people online not a CPU or whatever. Learn what people do, learn from your mistakes. Even save some replays of your wins and loses to see what you did right or wrong (even though it may be boring.) Sorry if I wasn't much help. I didn't mean to imply that a CPU will help you improve against players. I really only meant to use it as a warm up, and a sort of "mood checker" before going online. Real improvement can only be gained from fighting other players. On the other hand, basics can be learned and practiced at the CPU level; if you can't beat the hell mode CPU (or, better yet, clear up to the unlimited characters in Score Attack mode), you will hardly stand a chance against a player. After a certain point, however, it becomes necessary to move on. CPU is designed to help you learn, but after a very early stage, your growth will discontinue.
IceColdCombo Posted June 28, 2010 Posted June 28, 2010 Well from my experience, it's pretty easy to tear apart Nu with Bang. And some other Bang players would agree with me. And there are a lot of Nu players who just hate Bang because of what he's capable of. 5-5 is probably more reasonable but I would say 6-4 in Bang's favor if I thing about most of the things Nu is capable of. I was leaning toward a 7-3 in Bang's favor but there are some Nu's that are on the level of "OMG, WTF just happened to me!" So I'll go with the 6-4. Well most Nu's are so used to zoning and winning, not having to block. Sadly Bang can just go right into Nu's face by needles/drive.Most people that play Nu aren't used to the pressure. So thus I would have to agree with you.There are also Nu players that see what Bang is going to do and just punish the fuck out of em.(Basicaly a 5-5 situation, remember it is also based on skill) EtcEtc. Yeah I was ganna edit my first post about that, sorry. I do agree that CPUs are a great way to practice combos and shit.
KCMmmmm Posted June 28, 2010 Posted June 28, 2010 My second favorite feeling in a BB match against a player is just barely losing; the thought that I could have won, if I hadn't made THESE mistakes. It's matches like those that keep me improving, and keep me playing. This feeling is just beneath the delight of just barely winning an extremely close match. Nothing in BB beats getting to the third round with a worthy opponent, both bursting at 5-10% HP left, and walking away with the win, only to have them challenge me again for another close match that could end up in their favor. Finally, I'd rather get my ass handed to me than destroy my opponent. There's nothing I can learn from an easy win. Edit: Oh, and yeah, Ragna main in CT is a safe bet since he's just about the same in CS.
Dacidbro Posted June 28, 2010 Posted June 28, 2010 Nu V Bang is popularly considered 6-4 Nu's favor, it's one of Bang's best matchups. Lol.
TeeJay Posted June 28, 2010 Posted June 28, 2010 My second favorite feeling in a BB match against a player is just barely losing; the thought that I could have won, if I hadn't made THESE mistakes. It's matches like those that keep me improving, and keep me playing. This feeling is just beneath the delight of just barely winning an extremely close match. Nothing in BB beats getting to the third round with a worthy opponent, both bursting at 5-10% HP left, and walking away with the win, only to have them challenge me again for another close match that could end up in their favor. Finally, I'd rather get my ass handed to me than destroy my opponent. There's nothing I can learn from an easy win. Edit: Oh, and yeah, Ragna main in CT is a safe bet since he's just about the same in CS. You share my mentality. I rather play someone that drives me nuts like Vice and slowly improve against them. (According to feedback I am). I think the best matches are against those that are just a little bit better. You will lose most but you can win some. Personally, I can have fun as long as it's competitive.
cookiehours Posted June 28, 2010 Posted June 28, 2010 Nu V Bang is popularly considered 6-4 Nu's favor, it's one of Bang's best matchups. Lol. Not when shurikens and dive kicks are in your face. But either way I'm sure it's me making stupid mistakes.
Sponson Posted June 28, 2010 Posted June 28, 2010 You share my mentality. I rather play someone that drives me nuts like Vice and slowly improve against them. (According to feedback I am). I think the best matches are against those that are just a little bit better. You will lose most but you can win some. Personally, I can have fun as long as it's competitive. I will agree, and usually its because you know what factors are going into your loss. When its just a steamroll with no chance, you can't figure out what you're doing wrong. You can't know what you can't figure out. I can tolerate a losing streak if they're super close. But if its just a long night of "lol you're tager", I tend to call it quits.
Hi I'm Asylum Posted June 28, 2010 Posted June 28, 2010 I just lost around 40 games in a row. Was pretty legendary. Pretty much all of them to a pair of Tagers. I keep screwing up my 236a and 214b's with Haku. You just need to pay attention to where you're losing HP and how you ended up there, then look at your moveset and pick the best counter.
A.X.I.S. Posted June 28, 2010 Posted June 28, 2010 may I ask why is this being discussed? if your on psn then your a screwed...shitty servers man. if your on xbl your still screwed to a lesser extent. again get friends play offline, shit I'm on a BB break and it feels great.
DoomieJ Posted June 28, 2010 Posted June 28, 2010 All i can say is, if you are losing that poorly and not learning anything from your losses, than you DO need to walk away from the game. Losing in GG/BB usually shows me something, but if its to the point where you a losing before you play the match, than you should probably take a few hour break from playing. stepback and reconsider the way you are playing the matchup/person who you are trying to beat, and come at it with a fresh set of eyes, and the willingness to take something from a loss. Whoever said drinking alcohol doesn't help, you are wrong. The 2 times i played online drunk my win% went way up. A complete lack of care for the opponent is why. To shorten it up:Think youll win, get drunk.
GKHiryu Posted June 28, 2010 Posted June 28, 2010 Another thing came to mind. If you get a loosing streak it's not a bad idea to switch character for a few fights. I have hard time adjusting to oki in BB, plus as Tao main I still can't nail drive cancels online, thus severely limiting my capabilities of higher level play. What I did when lost a lot once was just switch to Ragna, whom I never played as before, train few bnbs and just play in player rooms. It's surprising how many wins I got by just switching char, using different approach to fight etc.
Halcyone3 Posted June 28, 2010 Posted June 28, 2010 nu's worst match-up was 5-5, she had no 7-3 against her. Bang is one of the least advantageous to her, but just like the rest of the cast, he actually had to get to her to stand a chance. as for the online loosing streaks, like many said already: 1- record replays and see what you are doing wrong, if it was a mirror match you might even learn some general strategies from your opponent. 2- if you are starting to get pissed, take a break, once you are pissed, you start playing recklessly and dropping shit, which only pisses u off more. 3- player is really the same as ranked. In ranked you find a lot of ragequitters who think rank position is directly tied to the length of their tools, and some asses who go with online scrub tactics for easy wins. Player has less ragequitters, but other than that is the same as in ranked, except a room leader can kick you for using a character they think is op, regardless of how correct they are. A lot of players with the bad combination of stupidity and a microphone play on player matches too. I personally go player room if playing vs a friend, ranked quick match otherwise, works fine to me =x 4-like the guy above said, switch characters, i personally pick 2-4 characters and switch every other fight, splits your rage up a bit and keeps things fresh:)
Kriegdrache Posted June 28, 2010 Posted June 28, 2010 when I'm on a loosing streak I try to keep my calm, as difficult as it may be sometimes. I found that whenever I'm about to get frustrated I go "fuck it" and pick a character that I'm not too good with, like Ragna or Tao. If I'm going to lose, I may as well try and learn a new character whilst doing it. Failing that, I play something else. I've found the original Rayman to be very therapeutic recently.
cookiehours Posted June 28, 2010 Posted June 28, 2010 nu's worst match-up was 5-5, she had no 7-3 against her. Bang is one of the least advantageous to her, but just like the rest of the cast, he actually had to get to her to stand a chance. as for the online loosing streaks, like many said already: 1- record replays and see what you are doing wrong, if it was a mirror match you might even learn some general strategies from your opponent. 2- if you are starting to get pissed, take a break, once you are pissed, you start playing recklessly and dropping shit, which only pisses u off more. 3- player is really the same as ranked. In ranked you find a lot of ragequitters who think rank position is directly tied to the length of their tools, and some asses who go with online scrub tactics for easy wins. Player has less ragequitters, but other than that is the same as in ranked, except a room leader can kick you for using a character they think is op, regardless of how correct they are. A lot of players with the bad combination of stupidity and a microphone play on player matches too. I personally go player room if playing vs a friend, ranked quick match otherwise, works fine to me =x 4-like the guy above said, switch characters, i personally pick 2-4 characters and switch every other fight, splits your rage up a bit and keeps things fresh:) I have been using Jin lately so maybe I should switch from Nu for a while. Also, I should pick up my Hakumen again. But that's the problem I encounter online. People using cheap tactics to win without even learning proper bnb combos. What I used to do when I was on a losing streak was to switch from my real account and practiced my Nu. That helped me a lot so I should do that again also. I'm happy to report that last night I reached 4613 wins and improved my win ratio just a bit. Aside from a crappy matchup against a Ragna, I won most of my matches. I was a lot more calm and switched my controller since my new one was sticking. I'm going to definitely warm up more before I approach online. But CS is coming soon so... if your on psn then your a screwed...shitty servers man. if your on xbl your still screwed to a lesser extent. again get friends play offline, shit I'm on a BB break and it feels great. Does it look like I can find other girls to play this with me? >__> I outta smack ya. >:[
DC Posted June 28, 2010 Posted June 28, 2010 People using cheap tactics to win without even learning proper bnb combos. I don't think Nu players are allowed to say this...
Andru Posted June 28, 2010 Posted June 28, 2010 I have been using Jin lately so maybe I should switch from Nu for a while. Also, I should pick up my Hakumen again. But that's the problem I encounter online. People using cheap tactics to win without even learning proper bnb combos. What I used to do when I was on a losing streak was to switch from my real account and practiced my Nu. That helped me a lot so I should do that again also. I'm happy to report that last night I reached 4613 wins and improved my win ratio just a bit. Aside from a crappy matchup against a Ragna, I won most of my matches. I was a lot more calm and switched my controller since my new one was sticking. I'm going to definitely warm up more before I approach online. But CS is coming soon so... Does it look like I can find other girls to play this with me? >__> I outta smack ya. >:[ It's okay. You don't need to find a girl. We're both in NY, we both play Nu, maybe I can show you a thing or two~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~ Disclaimer: I'm not a rapist
mAc Chaos Posted June 28, 2010 Posted June 28, 2010 Rage isn't all bad. I actually play better the more enraged I am.
DoomieJ Posted June 28, 2010 Posted June 28, 2010 But that's the problem I encounter online. People using cheap tactics to win without even learning proper bnb combos. This statement is the reason why you lose. You think people need to play like you, which is wrong. If you can lose to a simple overpowered tactic, how would you beat someone who can diversify their tactics, bait and punish, tech punish, and vary blockstrings? You wont. Get over what you think is cheap.
IceColdCombo Posted June 28, 2010 Posted June 28, 2010 Rage isn't all bad. I actually play better the more enraged I am. Whenever I rage I usually get worst.
cookiehours Posted June 28, 2010 Posted June 28, 2010 I don't think Nu players are allowed to say this... I don't think I phrased that correctly. This statement is the reason why you lose. You think people need to play like you, which is wrong. If you can lose to a simple overpowered tactic, how would you beat someone who can diversify their tactics, bait and punish, tech punish, and vary blockstrings? You wont. Get over what you think is cheap. I don't mean it that way. I can beat someone that uses cheap tactics, granted I can punish it. But I'm talking about people who use the same crap over and over again without doing something new. It makes things boring and it makes me bored as hell. I want to fight someone who uses new stuff and keeps me on my toes. Almost everyone I use use the same tactics over and over again. To me it gets boring defending against them each time. That's how *I* feel. I didn't mean to offend anyone.
MisterBadguy Posted June 28, 2010 Posted June 28, 2010 I actaully had a real herp-derp moment the other night. I was playing against a Bang. He actually spent the first round spamming 623C oki against me. And it fucking worked. It was half lag screwing my techs up, and half "naw he won't do it again". I got pissed off and lost the second round out right. Of course then, I started blowing the mic up with rage. But then the rotation came back around. I took a deep breath, calmed down and managed to have some good matches with him. Had I stayed pissed off, he would have had the edge every time. Another thing I did, and do alot. If a player beats me in a player match room, I watch the rest of their matches, looking out for how they zone, poke, what they like to wake-up with, how they deal with certain situations ect. Then when my turn comes around, I have something to go off of. A losing streak is about 25% in your mind IMO. The rest is skill level, match-up knowledge, and the ability to keep your cool. I also play better after a couple drinks.
metalmass Posted June 28, 2010 Posted June 28, 2010 I play a lot of defensive (what one could call "turtle") characters and what catches a lot of people off guard is an aggressive playstyle. Sure, most opponents do feel you out first to determine how you'll play but overall they have expectations of what your character is capable of. Using that information you can do some unexpected things like a rush down game with Tager. I once played against an unlimited Rachel (using Tager) and applied so much pressure that I not only perfected her but I also didn't realize she was unlimited until after the first round. Mixing up my game also helped because you never want to get predictable. When I play SSF4 what costs me the most matches is that I get predictable. When I have next to zero health and my opponent has half and I change things up, miraculously, I end up winning--not always but a lot of the times I do. It seems to me that mentally the other player has me figured out and is simply going through the motions to secure the victory. But if I act erratically I throw off their game and as a result shift the momentum in my favor which gives me a small window of opportunity to win. In some ways I just used their strategy against them because now I'm attacking based off their established pattern.
MrViceTaicho Posted June 28, 2010 Posted June 28, 2010 If I managed to squeeze 1 of 9 against Vice then you can do better. Yes, I'm that bad. It's a little easier if your patient and block him. Just don't get stuck in a combo. I can't really think of anything brilliant. you can't say that ur bad ur my disciple!^^...
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