Emotiongear Posted February 21, 2008 Posted February 21, 2008 Elvenshadow, we're bringing another team for Tougeki 08, get ready to practice with them when we get there! I'll try to see if we can get a few more days before the event over there to bring them up to speed! Thx! John Planet Zero
ElvenShadow Posted February 21, 2008 Author Posted February 21, 2008 Hi John, so SBO quals will be basically the same as last year, held at planet zero and everything? Do you know when the dates are for the US SBO qual (I know some of the Chicago guys are interested in playing in the qualifier again) and do you know when the date for the SBO finals main event is? I want to try to go to both SBO and Evo but it all depends on the dates for the events. Hopefully I can find a good team here in Japan and qualify.
Emotiongear Posted February 21, 2008 Posted February 21, 2008 SBO and Evo might be on the same weekend...or one weekend apart...lol Check here http://www.mashharder.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2892
ElvenShadow Posted February 22, 2008 Author Posted February 22, 2008 so what I gathered from reading the thread is that the qualifier for SBO this year will take place at Texas Showdown? Does that mean there will be a seperate tournament or that the official Texas Showdown GGAC tournament will count as the qualifier? Also, you mentioned an interview. Does this mean, say for example, that if a team wins the tournament but another team gets a better result from he interview that theres a chance that the team that won might lose out to the other team? Basically im just wondering how much actual weight the interview holds in relation to the tournament results. I know you are simply concerned that the team going will behave becuase I am aware of unfortunate events that have happened in the past. I just hope its a matter of simply choosing players that will behave respectfully and isnt more of a popularity contest (not making accusations, simply asking questions). also... SBO and EVO on the same weekend? That would be a very bad idea. If that happens I really doubt many Japanese players if any at all will want to go to EVO. No point in having the biggest tournament of the year for both countries competing with eachother. Of course neither you or I have any say in this so its a moot point. I just hope that both EVO and Tougeki staff take this into consideration is all.
Emotiongear Posted February 22, 2008 Posted February 22, 2008 no man, we're aware of how things work at SBO. This is hardly a popularity contest. I want a team to win....even getting past first round is making some kind of history. But we can't have any of this at the expense of doing anything that will impact the relationship we have with our affiliates, sponsors and SBO in a negative way. SBO is as interested in the players character and personality as they are in their skill level and ability to entertain the spectators at their tournament. Same goes for us. Thats the basis of sponsorship for every competitive sport.
ElvenShadow Posted February 22, 2008 Author Posted February 22, 2008 Of course I agree that it is important to send a team that will represent the US in a way that doesnt make americans look bad (both in the game and as far as manners and behavior are concerned). Basically the criteria for being able to go should be, as long as the team that wins the tournament is polite and respectful and wont do anything illegal or violent while in Japan, the winning team should be the one that goes, simple as that. I only originally asked this question because on the post you made on the other thread you linked to it says.. "Players will also be evauated by their skill level in part. (in case of strong players having weaker teammates). The winning team is not the sole contestant for the spot. Finishing high up in the tournament is not a must but recommended. The second will be from an interview with Planet Zero representatives in order to determine which players will be adequately able to fully represent us both in skill and presentation while in Japan." I just dont quite understand this sentence in bold. Of course finishing high in the tounament should be a must. This should be the main criteria for going to Japan and the interview should simply be used to evaluate whether or not the players arnt going to behave inaproprietly while in Japan. Of course you want to send a team that is going to gain posative attention for both your arcade and, more so, the US as a whole. With that said, of course this will be achieved more so by the US team actually beating a Japanese team and playing well in the tournament rather than something trivial like, say for example, whether the players have atractive faces and look nice in the SBO book, have up to date pop culture knowledge, or if they are dressed in the latest fashion. I mean, lets face it, the top Japanese players arnt famous because they look pretty or have an image of being stylish. Ogawa isnt the kind of guy you would see walking down the street if you didnt know who he was and cause your head to turn, but he is extremely polite and a pleasure to talk to. As long as the interview process is simply a means of making sure the players are not going to do anything stupid while in Japan then there shouldnt be a problem. And this interview IS on the same weekend as Showdown, correct? So just to confirm, the GGAC team tournament at Texas Showdown will be the deciding tournament for the SBO spot just like the one at planet zero was last year? Does this mean the tournament will be single elim just like SBO format? Will it span 2 days and have pre qualifiers like last time? Im just curious since its a tad unclear and I want to make sure everyone can prepare well so that many players can go and that Texas Showdown and the qualifier can be a huge and successfull event. Texas Showdown is only one month away... and is also the weekend after Final Round. This may be a bad time to have a qualifier for SBO, espesially with SBO being so far away. Final Round being the bigger tournament, many players are going to be going there, and it may be hard for them to go to both due to work schedules and vacation day limitations. If we truely want to have a big qualifier it would be best to have it at a later time. I dont know how set in stone this qualifer is at Showdown but it hasnt even been mentioned at all on SRK on the Showdown thread so I doubt many people even know about it. I dont think many non Texas players regularly check the masharder.com forums so it might be a good idea to post this on SRK.
Emotiongear Posted February 22, 2008 Posted February 22, 2008 I meant in that in the team tourney. We are looking at individual players as opposed to complete teams. Someone who's a fantastic player stuck on a team with 2 not so great players should have a chance. An example is the case of the Tekken team. The team would have been more competitive utilizing players from the Houston and Cali teams. Also there's a singles tournament at Showdown which might have very different results from the teams. Yes Showdown is the ONLY deciding tournament for player skills for the spot. No other qualifiers will be held. As for FR, it is just merely by coincidence that we both booked our venues for the same time period and neither of us could change it due to the contract with the hotel. Oh well.. Ranma felt bad and even opted we give a prize for the winning team at FR to have half their tickets to Houston paid for in the case they wanted to attend Showdown. FR declined.
ElvenShadow Posted February 22, 2008 Author Posted February 22, 2008 Well thats a shame that FR declined. I still dont understand why none of this information was made readily avaliable to the larger Guilty Gear community outside of Texas (since as I said no one outside texas checks mashharder.com often). As far as breaking up a qualifying team with "weaker players"... what exactly determines who the weaker players are on a team? Do you evaluate each individual players performance in the tournament and take out the players who contributed less? I dont really know if thats such a great idea considering many situations can arise such as one player constantly OCVing other teams causing his other team mates to not play much or at all resulting in no proper means to evaluate them. Or what if one player gets stuck playing bad matchups that are largely in their opponents favor and simply looks bad by situation? Counter picking is very common in team tournaments, espessially when RPS is decided to determine which team selects first. So you mentioned the singles tournament. Is the singles tournament being used as a means of a qualifier as well as the team tournament? Dont you think since this is an official SBO qual just like the ones in Japan that the format should be standardized to reflect the format of the Japanese qualifiers? There just seems like so many factors involved in this qualifying process that are pretty vague. Are you going to take into account the players tournament history over an extended period of time at majors and take into account how often they place? I understand you are a business man and want your company (planet zero) to be well represented and look good as well as maintain good relations with Arcadia personel. However, just keep in mind that having a team that will peform the best in the tournament and actually cause for exciting matches for spectators and for the DVD as well as promote good competition is going to be far more important for promotional success than anything you are going to get from an interview (which should only be a very minor factor to determine if the players going are going to behave). Honestly the only fair way to determine what team goes if the direct team tournament results are not the deciding factor is having the singles tournament top 3 be the team with the brackets being completely determined by random number picking to eliminate seeding bias. I still think if this is to be as professional as it should be it needs to follow the rest of the SBO qualifier standard rules.
Ukyo Tachibana Posted February 22, 2008 Posted February 22, 2008 Honestly, if you ask me, Team U.S.A. for SBO should be Mr. Eleven Shadows, and the top 2 players at the moment, from U.S.A. Of course, do be decided in a major tournament. That'll basically give you the best U.S.A. has to offer. But I guess, unfortunately, being the best in this game (for our country) isn't the only prerequisite...
ElvenShadow Posted February 22, 2008 Author Posted February 22, 2008 LOL like thats gonna happen. I dont expect to nor am I even trying to get on the US team. If I was offered the spot I would take it but im just going to try to qualify in Japan (I just hope I can find a good team here). My main concern is simply that the selection process is fair and that it is based on tourament results and not altered due to an interview (due to reasons I have stated in detail above).
Hellmonkey Posted February 22, 2008 Posted February 22, 2008 It has been made very clear that fairness is not very high on Emogear's priority list. Looks like just another repeat of last year.
ElvenShadow Posted February 22, 2008 Author Posted February 22, 2008 2 more tournaments this weekend (one in chiba and one in Shinjuku)... hopefully I will do well!
BioLogIn Posted February 22, 2008 Posted February 22, 2008 the only fair way to determine what team goes ... is having the singles tournament top 3 be the team with the brackets being completely determined by random number picking to eliminate seeding bias. ElvenShadow, could you please explain, why elimination of seeding increases 'fairness' of tournament results?
Hellmonkey Posted February 22, 2008 Posted February 22, 2008 2 more tournaments this weekend (one in chiba and one in Shinjuku)... hopefully I will do well! GG is big somewhere in Chiba? I stay there with a friend every time I go to Japan, where is the tournament at? I always just ended up going into akihabara/shinjuku to get games.
axel Posted February 22, 2008 Posted February 22, 2008 GG is big somewhere in Chiba? I stay there with a friend every time I go to Japan, where is the tournament at? I always just ended up going into akihabara/shinjuku to get games. There are 2 GameChariot outlets at Chiba, namely Funabashi (the place where Ogawa 42-8 kaqn) and Goi (the place where major events like East VS West and G3 were held). Elvenshadow: Is there any way to know exactly which day will the SBO main event be held on?
tragic Posted February 24, 2008 Posted February 24, 2008 Let me get this straight... in regards to SBO team: if your team wins the tournament, all of the members "may" not get to go? What kind of crap rule is that? The standard ruelset since the inception was "if your team wins, your team goes". If someone is weaker on the team and the other two make up for it and win, that team still goes. Dunno where this new rule is coming from.
BigBryan Posted February 24, 2008 Posted February 24, 2008 times are changing... its not about just going to sbo and just saying oh i dont care about winning at least i got here... emotiongear wants a fucking WIN.
Darkhonor90 Posted February 25, 2008 Posted February 25, 2008 Let me get this straight... in regards to SBO team: if your team wins the tournament, all of the members "may" not get to go? What kind of crap rule is that? The standard ruelset since the inception was "if your team wins, your team goes". If someone is weaker on the team and the other two make up for it and win, that team still goes. Dunno where this new rule is coming from. Kids these days
ElvenShadow Posted February 25, 2008 Author Posted February 25, 2008 Bio: well random seeding can either increase or decrease fairness I suppose. Its good to seed people by skill level but sometimes tournament organizers can be bias and set brackets up to purpously put certain players against favorable or unfavorable matchups as well as other players they want to see lose to ensure that certain people have an easier chance of winning. Im not talking about anyone in particular but im sure you understand what i mean. I just meant that if it was completely random, no one could complain that it was fixed is all. Doesnt matter anyway, its not my call and im not even going so... Hellmonkey, gamechariot is in Chiba so... Axel, I would like to know this myself, as far as I know it hasnt been announced yet. Im expecting it will be revealed in next months arcadia which comes out on Friday. btw, ill update my blog about this past weekend tomorrow, i dont have time to type that much at the moment
Hellmonkey Posted February 25, 2008 Posted February 25, 2008 ah I didn't know that. I'll definitely visit next time I go. Thanks for the info axel.
axel Posted February 25, 2008 Posted February 25, 2008 I will love to go for SBO again this year. If only I can get an internship in Tokyo... Anyway I hope they announce the date for the main event ASAP, since IIRC they announced it quite late last year, probably in June.
ElvenShadow Posted February 26, 2008 Author Posted February 26, 2008 blog updated again http://elvenshadowmike.blogspot.com/ I took some interesting pics too, hopefully I will have them up soon but I dont know if I will have time today.
Cadenza Posted February 26, 2008 Posted February 26, 2008 Aw, that sucks about the whole misinformation and ladies only tournament thing. I didn't even know there were ladies only tournaments. o_o
ElvenShadow Posted February 26, 2008 Author Posted February 26, 2008 yea there was one last month at the same place. i wonder if this is going to be a monthly thing now
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