TITANIUM BEAST!!! Posted January 3, 2008 Posted January 3, 2008 I don't get why everyone says Ai is so terrible. If you can get her shit started, she is scary. I just think no one in the US has actually sat down and tried to learn how to play her properly. I think it's especially funny for a guy to tell someone not to bother with Ai when he plays characters like K'(who's just as bad) and Yuki(even worse than Ai!).
Hatred Edge Posted January 3, 2008 Posted January 3, 2008 I play around with K' and Yuki for shit and giggles. Like if I played someone new to the game I will use them but if I play someone in a casual match chances are I'll use my main teams. You think there would even be a 1% chance you will ever see a match of me using K' or Yuki? Madness. I play around with them against the CPU. And I didn't advise Tiamat to play K' or Yuki either now did I? But again I play Venom and I-no who aren't as high as Order-Sol or Axl and I have tried to help other new players in picking their character even when the charcacter I play is worse. What I posted was based on to what degree he'll play the game. If he wants to play at a high level, then there isn't any reason to invest in Ai. If he's playing for shit and giggles, then go ahead. Of course it's all Tiamat's decision. And since Ai has so much "potential" why don't you show us then? It won't be hard for you to pick her up, your already familiar with the game and have the competition to get better with her.
Tiamat Posted January 3, 2008 Posted January 3, 2008 Venom is pretty damn good in accent core. but that's off topic... maybe beast just doesn't want to learn her heh. honestly I'm just gonna try her cause her fighting stance is too cute. anyway I'm not the type to shy away from playing a low tier char. but who knows maybe i try her and dont like her at all. we'll see...
TITANIUM BEAST!!! Posted January 3, 2008 Posted January 3, 2008 I don't like Ai to begin with, so I have no motivation to play her. I'm going by what I've seen in some vids, her loop in the corner is nasty and it's almost an infinite. Nothing wrong with actually trying to play some of these characters sometimes. K' is total shit in this game and I've played him in tournaments.
purify Posted January 3, 2008 Author Posted January 3, 2008 well the way this game goes, you could possibly find something and do well enough for geese to be like WOAH AI IS RISING SATURN PADS NEOWAVE and bump Ai up to A tier. I mean, for 3/4 of the characters, that's exactly what happens. I think she's cool, but definitely awkward. I'd have to play a lot of matches with her to see the utility of some of her moves.
TITANIUM BEAST!!! Posted January 3, 2008 Posted January 3, 2008 The problem is that most people don't even try to play other characters (I'm partly guilty of this myself). No one really takes this game seriously outside of NC and Dark Geese, and even then many of us who started out on low tiers have been trading up, so to speak. Robert/Kim has been my business team for a long time now.
zer0kage Posted January 3, 2008 Posted January 3, 2008 If Asura is really THAT bad what about Shiki/Lee.
Tiamat Posted January 3, 2008 Posted January 3, 2008 just got the game it was sold out at the first two stores I checked time for training mode...
Hatred Edge Posted January 3, 2008 Posted January 3, 2008 It has a solid soundtrack. Neo-Dio stage music is the best IMO.
purify Posted January 3, 2008 Author Posted January 3, 2008 All the boss songs are pretty cool. I like how SNK games frequently have a remixed soundtrack as well as the original available. Remixed versions of the songs are pretty good, but the character select remix gest on some people's nerves (beast of fire). DUSTLOOP EXCLUSIVE: Shiki dash stab combo is with all Cs, normally, however, using the B version uppercut and dive actually do more damage. The tradeoff is that the reset isn't as good/easy, they land later. It's also harder to get all of the hits to connect with B. I've known this for a long time and just never got around to pointing it out. Level 1 super is still pointless. zerokage: I think Shiki is really good. I posted a lot of stuff about her on SRK if you check through the threads, Geese has some wacked out way of archiving character information. Lee isn't bad either, but requires a lot of work.
TITANIUM BEAST!!! Posted January 3, 2008 Posted January 3, 2008 Lee is very good, good rushdown and combo potential. Shiki is okay, I guess. Neither of them reach Asura's level of suck and he's not even that bad of a character.
Tiamat Posted January 3, 2008 Posted January 3, 2008 I can't belive Ai actually has moves with "Joy Joy" at the beginning. lol
purify Posted January 3, 2008 Author Posted January 3, 2008 nothing like riding the Joy Joy Balloon in Cool Cool Town Our reaver quotes are strong.
Tiamat Posted January 4, 2008 Posted January 4, 2008 lol they are too good I did jD c.C qcb+A sc qcfx2+C qcb+A qcb+A sc qcfx2+A in corner with rock in training...lol. I'm annoyed by how hard it is to combo from his 2B unless super close though. right now my best team is genjuro and iori but I wanna get better with shermie. genjuro's command grab damage is so laughable I can't help but wonder what SNK is thinking sometimes (actually a lot of times.) it does less than his normal throw
Hatred Edge Posted January 4, 2008 Posted January 4, 2008 I wonder too... For some reason in the latest games, SNK has weaken Genjuro a lot. For no damn reason at all. It's like they did it out of hate. All I have heard about it was "What happened to Genjuro as a character? He sucks now." Shame too. He's my favorite character out of the SamSho series. And of course, my second favorite character in SamSho: Asura sucks too. Damn you SNK! That was to be the dream matchup!
TITANIUM BEAST!!! Posted January 4, 2008 Posted January 4, 2008 They probably weakened him because people bitched about him in the SS games for being so strong. SNK panders to fanboys all the time. Follow the progression of the KoF series and you will see the pattern.
Hatred Edge Posted January 4, 2008 Posted January 4, 2008 That's what happened with Gato in KOF XI? He's NO ONE in KOF. He's a Garou character. He's that popular? And Kula too? People like her THAT much? I'm gonna front as a fanboy and bitch that Gato and Kula are too strong in KOF XI and that Kyo, Iori, and K' are too weak. Yeah, that's the plan . I should work more on my D-assaults. I don't use more than one on an enemy.
TITANIUM BEAST!!! Posted January 4, 2008 Posted January 4, 2008 I don't think SNK bothers to really playtest KoF, which is kind of my point. They throw some shit together and when it comes time to make the next game, they change shit according to what was bitched about/liked in the last game. For example, throws have been progressively toned down over the years in KoF to near-uselessness. This has to do with people bitching about them being strong and not wanting them to "dominate" the game ala SF2 (which is not entirely true to begin with, but whatever). Instead of really looking at what could be done to fix the problem without destroying a key element of gameplay, they just pandered to the fans and eventually throws in KoF didn't mean shit unless you were a grappler. And SNK grapplers have entire other problems, like being insanely fucking fast and having incredible normals.
Hatred Edge Posted January 4, 2008 Posted January 4, 2008 So in short, there are idiots at the helms of KOF?
CrimsonDisaster Posted January 5, 2008 Posted January 5, 2008 Grapplers aren't even really grapplers half the time in KoF. They're almost always crazy poking characters or rushdown to phat combo characters, it's just their combos end in moves that are also command grabs so they can pretend to be grapplers when they never really have to deal with the entire grappler vs. anybody else dynamic. Clark is the dumbest "grappler" character ever conceived. His mixup is like, hop to combo ending in grab -> elbow, low to combo ending in grab -> elbow, grab -> elbow, actually any ground hit which is then combo'd to grab -> elbow, or grab to combo ending in grab -> elbow. Elbow then sets that mixup up again. And since uppercuts and the like are so terrible in KoF, as are most supers that aren't grabs, his best bet to bait reversals is wait a split second... super grab -> elbow. He can also wakeup grab -> elbow except it's KoF so people would just be jumping at him anyhow (except it just comes out really fast and beats things anyhow lololol) But that's just the essence of KoF. hmm well grapplers could be balanced out if we didn't let people combo into command throws and if they were actually slow... oh wait no let's give these characters running command throws that they can combo into from further away! Not like it matters because they'll be good but not the best anyhow.
Tiamat Posted January 5, 2008 Posted January 5, 2008 does this mean shermie is 1337? she's like the only "grappler" in NGBC besides that robot monkey thing. and iori/rock/genjuro(lol) having random command grabs, but they can't combo into theirs like shermie (or clark who's not in the game obviously)
Hatred Edge Posted January 5, 2008 Posted January 5, 2008 You have you been playing so far? The same listed earlier?
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