STenSatsu Posted September 19, 2010 Posted September 19, 2010 Convert your local SF4 scene, or at least try and get them to start blazing some blue or melting some blood on the side. I guarantee that you have a SF4 scene. That being said, I realize that it's easier said than done, and if you don't have a car, you're pretty much fucked regardless. Pretty much. Try and run them through the basic game engine and they should pick it up decently quick. Helps if you can relate to shit in sf4. (IE: comparing rapids to FADC and such.) Much easier than trying to get people who don't play fighters. Especially since there isn't really a character that you can just charge down-back with and have an answer for everything at the scrub level. If you don't have a car, you can often find carpools if the gathering is decent. I wouldn't travel too much unless I was planning on spending most of the day there or it's a tourney personally. Definately check the matchmaking forums though no matter what. You may be surprised at how close a scene actually is to you, and how easy it may be to get there.
Blade Posted September 19, 2010 Posted September 19, 2010 How do you convert people who play DDR and Guitar Hero? D: Also, WoW, Halo, and CoD. :8/:
Black Onslaught Posted September 19, 2010 Posted September 19, 2010 lol you don't convert people to FGs who don't play FGs. otherwise you get BlazBlue General, oh wait.
George Costanza Posted September 19, 2010 Posted September 19, 2010 I guarantee that you have a SF4 scene. nope.avi Pretty much all of my friends are just REALLY not good at fighting games. I have a friend who owns SSF4 and can't perform 623 for the life of him let alone in Blazblue. I've told him to keep practicing but he just says "nah I can't do it". It would be okay if he didn't main Jin who's got 4 623 motion moves.
Sponson Posted September 19, 2010 Posted September 19, 2010 Actually, the hour and a half drive i would usually make to play people offline is 100% better. Also, "how bad of lag". Anything less than a 4 bar connection and I can't do TK loops. Blah blah get better execution i know but when i consistently hit 4-5 reps offline and i can barely do 3 online if i'm lucky seems to be a pretty significant decrease in damage. And if there are no people around you that play, why not start a small scene of your own? It's really not as hard as you think. Start a small scene? I did, I got a buncha my college buddies to play, and none of them want to buy a ps3 or a 360 to play BB beyond casual level, because the only alternative is my 360. Oh would you look at that. Also you should come visit Maine then, I'm always looking for people to play. I don't exactly have a car, though. And before the leaves fall off. One of my friends however owns Soul Calibur 4, but that has nothing to do with anything. lol you don't convert people to FGs who don't play FGs. And people who don't play games don't play fighting games, too, so good luck there.
smooshman Posted September 19, 2010 Posted September 19, 2010 lol you don't convert people to FGs who don't play FGs. otherwise you get BlazBlue General, oh wait. so nobody's ever played a fighting game? I'll be damned, and here I thought several people played them.
Kaialynn Posted September 19, 2010 Posted September 19, 2010 not really..... my friend and my brother are the only people in my area that play BB (to my knowledge) and they have a tough time learning it, because despite all the talk of "lol BB is easy", people who have no experience with fighting games find it very hard.... and me (not very social) went up to people and said "hey guys want to try this anime weaboo game instead of halo?" what do you think would happen? I can count on my hand how many people would want to play.... that said my biggest gripe with online is that the skill level is incosistent and when you do find someone good to fight against the lag is either too great or you only get like 3 fights.... So you've been to every gaming cafe, to every single place where people hang out, talked to every single person at your school, and nobody is interested? I'm calling bullshit there. None of my friends are interested in fighting games and I converted 3 of them to Blazblue. Also, the problem then isn't the fact that you have no offline scene, it's that you're not a social person. "Hey want to try this anime weeaboo game?" Well of fucking course nobody is going to want to play the game. Why don't you try "Hey check out this cool game i've got, it's really flashy and not very hard to play!" Sandbagging against noobs is easy, just give them easy mode litchi or bang, lol. It sounds to me like YOU don't want to make the effort, not the fact that a scene does not exist. Hmmm...no. I've been trying to develop a scene here since CT dropped with no success. Only one friend of mine puts as much time and effort into the game as I do. My other hardcore buddies have no interest in this game. They'll play a few matches and then go back to Street Fighter IV or Tekken 6. Then there's the people I know that play casually that don't actively seek to get better. I tried teaching them basic fighter fundamentals but they don't understand it's usefulness. While I have no shortage of people to play with offline there's no interest to play the game beyond a casual level. >Other Hardcore buddies >Basic Fighter Fundamentals Wanna try again? Convert your local SF4 scene, or at least try and get them to start blazing some blue or melting some blood on the side. I guarantee that you have a SF4 scene. That being said, I realize that it's easier said than done, and if you don't have a car, you're pretty much fucked regardless. I'll agree with this, a car is probably a necessity. How do you convert people who play DDR and Guitar Hero? D: Also, WoW, Halo, and CoD. :8/: DDR players are Weeaboos, put two and two together. Every single ex member of our DDR scene plays Blazblue now. Guitar hero players might be interested. WoW players don't leave their rooms, Halo and CoD are the jocks who need something to do in between partying. Watch me stereotype. Start a small scene? I did, I got a buncha my college buddies to play, and none of them want to buy a ps3 or a 360 to play BB beyond casual level, because the only alternative is my 360. Oh would you look at that. Also you should come visit Maine then, I'm always looking for people to play. I don't exactly have a car, though. And before the leaves fall off. One of my friends however owns Soul Calibur 4, but that has nothing to do with anything. And people who don't play games don't play fighting games, too, so good luck there. I'd fly out there this instant if I wasn't a poor college student. Also, why not get your friends together at your house/dorm room every saturday for some fun AND blazblue. Blazblue is 100x more fun drunk. that's how i converted two of my friends, getting drunk and playing blazblue all night for a couple weekends and bang, all the sudden they both own it and still play actively. EDIT: Not to throw a life lesson out here, but people aren't going to come to you. If you're going to sit around and bitch about how nobody plays your game and then instantly deny any suggestions to start a scene or otherwise, then it's never going to happen. I understand some of you have tried - and i'm glad you have. But i garuntee there are places where people are interested in this game. They're everywhere, you just have to find them and make connections.
Sponson Posted September 19, 2010 Posted September 19, 2010 Well technically thats a fallacy. If you don't come to me, then I'd have to go to you, which means someone came to you, unless we both don't go to each other, in which case your point is moot. See the problem? No car, I'm still fucked. The point I'm making isn't that online is superior than offline, its just that its 100% more feasible in terms of time and money, and when time and money are on the short end as you see, you can't go and drive out to play offline. Its in this situation where you just can't go and say "Hurr play offline you dummy, its waaay better". So whats the choice? Don't play, or play online?
CakeWasBannedd Posted September 19, 2010 Posted September 19, 2010 Well technically thats a fallacy. If you don't come to me, then I'd have to go to you, which means someone came to you, unless we both don't go to each other, in which case your point is moot. See the problem? No car, I'm still fucked. The point I'm making isn't that online is superior than offline, its just that its 100% more feasible in terms of time and money, and when time and money are on the short end as you see, you can't go and drive out to play offline. Its in this situation where you just can't go and say "Hurr play offline you dummy, its waaay better". So whats the choice? Don't play, or play online? Play online, but don't expect to be good at the game at all.
Hawkingbird Posted September 19, 2010 Posted September 19, 2010 Play online, but don't expect to be good at the game at all. I understand your a advocate for offline play being better for learning but to say they no one will get good for playing online is an arrogant thing to say.
Edalborez Posted September 20, 2010 Posted September 20, 2010 Again, online players need to stop being defensive. Offline players say you/we won't be as good because it's the TRUTH. You can only become as good as your competition and XBL/PSN is a cesspool of mashing and bad habits. Even "good" or "close" matches only come so close to the real deal both in mindset and setting, and of course input delay. Online is better than nothing/the CPU (learn how to block, don't drop combos), but that's about as much you can say. Not an arrogant statement, it's fact. For the record I have not played a real offline match. If that invalidates my point, that's fine.
Sponson Posted September 20, 2010 Posted September 20, 2010 Again, online players need to stop being defensive. Offline players say you/we won't be as good because it's the TRUTH. You can only become as good as your competition and XBL/PSN is a cesspool of mashing and bad habits. Even "good" or "close" matches only come so close to the real deal both in mindset and setting, and of course input delay. Online is better than nothing/the CPU (learn how to block, don't drop combos), but that's about as much you can say. Not an arrogant statement, it's fact. For the record I have not played a real offline match. I see, so playing off line cures mashing and bad habits. So if I were to go to someone's house and play BB it would magically never happen. Um, hello, the only place you're going to not get mashing and bad habits are places where you don't get mashing and bad habits: aka tournaments and/or pros. Being bad online and being bad offline makes you bad still, playing offline doesn't magically fix that problem unless you find someone un-bad.
Edalborez Posted September 20, 2010 Posted September 20, 2010 You're taking things too literally. Of course it won't cure habits in one session. Consistent repetition does that just like everything else. That's why you have to play people better than you to become better. And sure, fastest way to get that message is to go get your ass kicked at a tournament or the like. If that option is not available/feasible then there's not much point in continuing this line of discussion. Edit vv to below: Accept it and have fun with it in spite of that.
Hawkingbird Posted September 20, 2010 Posted September 20, 2010 Who's being defensive? No one disagrees with the notion of playing offline will make you a better player. Cake makes it seem that playing online won't improve your game at all is what I have an issue with. Cake makes seem to think that good players don't exist online. Mashing and bad habits are everywhere. Sadly, most of the my local scene in my area is just that. I still think it's an arrogant statement to make
CakeWasBannedd Posted September 20, 2010 Posted September 20, 2010 good players don't exist online. Precisely.
LordSpectreX Posted September 20, 2010 Posted September 20, 2010 Maybe I should move to America, because the offline gaming community in Britain is nonexistent. After all, I have to show I'm passionate about fighters. ¬_¬ Seriously, I don't get this fucking topic at all. What the hell is the argument about? And why does it matter, at all?
OmniSScythe Posted September 20, 2010 Posted September 20, 2010 Precisely. Only in America, Ren is trolling on BB and Tokido in SSF4. Edit: Actually I think SSF4 has a good amount of high level players on netplay.
smooshman Posted September 20, 2010 Posted September 20, 2010 Precisely. yep even good players offline become super shitty and scrub like the moment they touch netplay, and people who play online and offline automatically suck.
Sponson Posted September 20, 2010 Posted September 20, 2010 You're taking things too literally. Of course it won't cure habits in one session. Consistent repetition does that just like everything else. That's why you have to play people better than you to become better. And sure, fastest way to get that message is to go get your ass kicked at a tournament or the like. If that option is not available/feasible then there's not much point in continuing this line of discussion. Don't be disillusioned that a few ms lag and some shitty players online suddenly makes it terrible to play online. Fuck, I'm not a total scrub and my first offline experience was 2 days ago and I didn't completely lay down and die during the first match. "But how?" you might ask, its because I played the game online and got good enough to be at a higher-than-scrub level. But wait! Thats under the assumption that playing offline some how means we're not scrubs I mean sure at some point I'll have to play offline like a tournament, because it necessitates that. Yeah, sure too, at some point you can only get better by playing offline and against the nation's best, but I'm pretty sure some of us aren't quite there yet, nor will be. And face it, if you play against this forum's best online, you'll probably get better than someone who plays against okay people offline. Precisely. I played against AxisTheBeast once upon a time on Xbox Live. And mAcChaos. Oh wait, you're just trolling. nevermind
LordSpectreX Posted September 20, 2010 Posted September 20, 2010 Though finding people online who aren't idiots is hard. Why are people so free against Tager's 360B -> GF -> 360B loop?
Sponson Posted September 20, 2010 Posted September 20, 2010 Man we just spent 7 pages arguing because some idiot thought that playing online is the devil. Goddammit is anyone near Southern Maine that would like to play?
Hawkingbird Posted September 20, 2010 Posted September 20, 2010 Yea, that argument was going nowhere. Once cherry picking comments went into play it just went to troll territory.
CakeWasBannedd Posted September 20, 2010 Posted September 20, 2010 I played against AxisTheBeast once upon a time on Xbox Live. And mAcChaos. Oh wait, you're just trolling. nevermind Both of these players play offline. GG. Yea, that argument was going nowhere. Once cherry picking comments went into play it just went to troll territory. I did that because your English skills made me unable to figure out what the fuck you were talking about.
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