Vulcan422 Posted January 5, 2012 Posted January 5, 2012 Sweep him to death. The greatest weakness of SNK bosses has always been sweep kicks, being in the corner, and sweep kicking them in the corner.
SoWL Posted January 5, 2012 Posted January 5, 2012 Speaking of Clark, I can't find that video where he reigns over that tournament. Anyone mind sharing the link?
Star-Demon Posted January 5, 2012 Posted January 5, 2012 Check anywhere on finestko's twitchtv - should be there.
kazukifafner Posted January 5, 2012 Posted January 5, 2012 SoCal 2011 Day One KoF Top 16: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bIZ6iWWj_Xw#t=26m25s SoCal 2011 Day Two KoF Top 4: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IaktyEb3Fhw#t=31m57s
Star-Demon Posted January 6, 2012 Posted January 6, 2012 (edited) Okay - I'm losing to fireballs and DPs. I can't figure out what to do. I should give up on this game, because I've learned absolutely nothing, and losing to day one people that just scrub it up hard. and I just sit and practice and fumble with the controller on everything. I find I just want ot hold downback, which is completely stupid. Why do I play this game if I just insist on losing just because I can't find myself capable of even putting up a fight against the worst the game has? It's SF4 to me. I really should quit. Edited January 6, 2012 by Star-Demon
Vulcan422 Posted January 6, 2012 Posted January 6, 2012 If you're trying to do pro stuff online, that's the problem. Online is so bad that you have to play it like Street Fighter 2. Try not using grapplers or melee characters unless they have tools to dodge fireballs.
Star-Demon Posted January 6, 2012 Posted January 6, 2012 If you're trying to do pro stuff online, that's the problem. Online is so bad that you have to play it like Street Fighter 2. Try not using grapplers or melee characters unless they have tools to dodge fireballs. Then I'd just be accused of accusing the netcode as an excuse for being bad.
kazukifafner Posted January 6, 2012 Posted January 6, 2012 Okay - I'm losing to fireballs and DPs. I can't figure out what to do. I should give up on this game, because I've learned absolutely nothing, and losing to day one people that just scrub it up hard. and I just sit and practice and fumble with the controller on everything. I find I just want ot hold downback, which is completely stupid. Why do I play this game if I just insist on losing just because I can't find myself capable of even putting up a fight against the worst the game has? It's SF4 to me. I really should quit. Okay, I'm going to have to be 100% real with you right now. You have got to stop being so defeatist, man. I've noticed from watching you play that, if someone has you pinned down or is doing particularly well against you, you just kind of give up. Maybe not for the entirety of the match, but for at least part of it you just kinda stop trying. That's definitely not going to improve your game. I know that it can be frustrating to have to re-learn things when you play a different fighting game, but you've just got to buckle down and figure stuff out; and figure it out through experimentation, not through stubbornly doing the same thing over and over again in the hopes of success. Plus, the more you do that, the more your overall fundamentals will improve and you'll find yourself doing better, not only in this fighting game but in any others that you pick up as well. At the very least, they'll be easier to pick up. Now, as for fireballs and DPs, what you need to do is be patient and analytical. Now, by patient, I don't just mean sitting back and waiting for them to stop throwing projectiles and come at you (unless you have the life lead, of course, then I guess that wouldn't be too bad an idea), I mean slowly approaching until you get in range to do something. As for avoiding projectiles, hopping is a good way to do it. Never jump/super jump over projectiles unless you're trying to cross them up. You can hop over the vast majority of projectiles, despite what the visuals might imply (for example, you can hop over Saiki's projectile, even though it looks like it's hitting you). If you are having difficulty hopping, you can also try rolling. However, rolling is significantly more dangerous due to potential followup, though you should be fine so long as you are either quite a distance away from your opponent or if you know your opponent will still be in recovery/can't reliably follow up. You can also block a projectile and inch forward the old fashioned way as well. It's all about getting slowly closer to your opponent. After that, and this is where avoiding DPs comes in, you have to pick your attacks. Often times, people are too quick to just go right into an attack when they are close enough. The problem is, your opponent also knows you are close enough, so he'll probably use a different attack to counter anything you might do (such as a DP). You are essentially getting punished after taking all that effort to get in. You can't let that happen, so you stop this by, well, not attacking every chance you get. Basically, you have to learn how to properly anticipate and bait your opponent. Almost every Robert (every bad Robert, anyway) has a system. Projectile from a distance for a bit, then go for shoryuken or his air-kick-special thing depending on the distance between us. Since I can anticipate this, I slowly approach until I'm in his preferred range for whatever it is, and then I stop approaching/attacking. He tries his special, I block it, and then I punish him for it. Bam, just like that, the situation has been resolved and I came out on top. This serves another purpose as well. All of the sudden, your opponent realizes that his earlier tactic didn't work. Maybe he tries it a couple more times first, but eventually, he'll get the message. That's when you have the best chance to pull out a heavier offensive. Because, you see, he won't know for sure if you are actually going to push an attack, or if you are just going to block and bait another reversal/special. All of the sudden, your in his head. He has to play by your rules now. He can't just blindly do his flowchart anymore, he has to play smarter. That's how you up your game (learning better combos to punish better doesn't hurt either, lol). That's the reason that projectile>projectile>shoryuken isn't considered a good tactic. Not because it's cheap or simple or anything like that. It's because it's easily beaten and blown up once you know what to do. You just need to work through it first If you're trying to do pro stuff online, that's the problem. Online is so bad that you have to play it like Street Fighter 2. Try not using grapplers or melee characters unless they have tools to dodge fireballs. I'm sorry, but that is just completely not true and a terrible excuse for not trying to up your game. Yeah, the online in this game is in need of fixing, but I've played many matches where the lag/input delay is nowhere near bad enough to be considered a viable excuse for not being able to play this game like KoF is supposed to be played. Now, I've played some matches with really bad lag too, but that doesn't happen near enough for me to feel like I must consistently play the game in a weird way (well, at least not for reasons relating to the online quality, lol).
Star-Demon Posted January 6, 2012 Posted January 6, 2012 (edited) Thanks, man - you're right. I have to admit right now I'm not in a good state of mind to really be playing or discussing it. Maybe I just need a break or to stop looking at this like it's work and more like It's something fun and challenging to to do and not something that has a lot at stake. It's been dragging me down a lot, for sure, not just trying to catch up and learn these games. Edited January 6, 2012 by Star-Demon
Kyosuke Kagami Posted January 6, 2012 Posted January 6, 2012 I want that fucking patch to be released NOW. It sucks that I set my rooms with "3 or higher", AND SOMEHOW A 1 BAR FAGGOT ALWAYS MANAGES TO ENTER. At least I live in a place where local players represent a real challenge (AKA daily rape) so I usually get decent online shit, but when netcode likes being crap... IT'S CRAP.
goldenxservbot Posted January 7, 2012 Posted January 7, 2012 Lets be honest, will there really be a patch that will fix this online problem? Its pissing me off, yes fighting games arent meant to be played/taken seriously as an online game but its boring sitting in training mode
Star-Demon Posted January 7, 2012 Posted January 7, 2012 Just so you guys know - There are many streams out there for KOF if you want to watch: KinestKO featuring that awesome leona Coopa is a good one - also but Norcal install and other west coast events. Neomaxico was recently introduced to me - they lack some hype but are pretty cool.
Linear04 Posted January 7, 2012 Posted January 7, 2012 I want that fucking patch to be released NOW. It sucks that I set my rooms with "3 or higher", AND SOMEHOW A 1 BAR FAGGOT ALWAYS MANAGES TO ENTER. At least I live in a place where local players represent a real challenge (AKA daily rape) so I usually get decent online shit, but when netcode likes being crap... IT'S CRAP. dude your in fucking mexico... just go outside and say taco burrito kof13 arriba andale and youll have like 30 people comin to play
Kyosuke Kagami Posted January 7, 2012 Posted January 7, 2012 (edited) dude your in fucking mexico... just go outside and say taco burrito kof13 arriba andale and youll have like 30 people comin to play Chupame el mion, werito Dun feel like going outside because: 1.- I live in a non-centric area. 2.- Going to Mexico City to play takes fucking long time (30 minutes by bus and subway combined if I'm lucky). 3.- Don't feel like playing the outdated arcade version. 4.- Most of the best places to play dat shit are located in rats' holes. 5.- I'd have a lot better luck finding KOF players outside the Mexico City area (and I usually go out of there due to job, not because I want to). So no, thanks. Edited January 7, 2012 by Kyosuke Kagami
Kyosuke Kagami Posted January 10, 2012 Posted January 10, 2012 No hay pedo, los únicos que dan batalla en lÃnea son los mexicanos. Los gringos... sin comentarios.
Xechs Posted January 10, 2012 Posted January 10, 2012 SNKP went on vacation a few days iirc, sure they are really worried in the release of the patch :P
Starlight777 Posted January 10, 2012 Posted January 10, 2012 At least they care enough to attempt to solve the problem. I hope this patch works out.
Kyosuke Kagami Posted January 10, 2012 Posted January 10, 2012 (edited) As long as it makes netcode recognize shitty connections properly, that's okay for me. Performance with this is... strange. I played a friend at Wisconsin and we got 3 bars and matches were playable, but I've encountered others who live near the border and their 3 bars shit is a LIE (AKA more than .5 secs of delay). Also, Ranked is making some people think they're improving, when they're actually terrible. Happened to me with a dude who defeated me in Ranked (dat lag), but for some reason he found my room in Player Match and this thing ran smoothly. 5-0 in my favor, he only reached my 2nd char once and ragequitted last match BTW why are there so many (shitty) Roberts, Shens and Kims? Edited January 10, 2012 by Kyosuke Kagami
Starlight777 Posted January 10, 2012 Posted January 10, 2012 As long as it makes netcode recognize shitty connections properly, that's okay for me. Performance with this is... strange. I played a friend at Wisconsin and we got 3 bars and matches were playable, but I've encountered others who live near the border and their 3 bars shit is a LIE (AKA more than .5 secs of delay). BTW why are there so many (shitty) Roberts, Shens and Kims? Ew I had a match like that once. It annoyed the hell out of me when that happened, also some 3 bar rooms I went into dropped to 2. This game sure loves lying to me on netplay. To answer that last question. Robert: Closest thing to a shoto in some people's eyes. But if they just want to throw fireballs they should just play Athena or King. Shen: He looks badass and people love abusing his punch super I have no idea why people pick Kim so much. I run into easymodo Kyo more than him. Hell I've seen more of Leona then Kim
mAc Chaos Posted January 10, 2012 Posted January 10, 2012 So what's the KOF scene like? Is there somewhere where lots of people congregate online (aside from this thread)? And offline.
Vulcan422 Posted January 10, 2012 Posted January 10, 2012 (edited) Takuma w/dildo mask now available on XBL Marketplace/PSN Store. EDIT: Wow. I just played him, and I have to be honest: I don't like Mr. Karate. He's basically a more rushdown version of Takuma, with combo gimmicks involving cancels with his SRKs and dash cancels with his invisible fireballs, which are now shorter range than in previous games. His Hien Shippu Kyaku is also only available in the air, and only the EX version can be TK'd with relative ease. He also gets the old Zanretsuken back, as well as the Shoran Kyaku. His idle stance is derpy as hell, and he feels extremely gimmicky. His NeoMAX does really shitty damage, but is more practical and has more range than regular Takuma's NeoMAX. Edited January 10, 2012 by Vulcan422
Kyosuke Kagami Posted January 10, 2012 Posted January 10, 2012 So what's the KOF scene like? Is there somewhere where lots of people congregate online (aside from this thread)? And offline. Cross the borderline or take a trip to Mexico City. Happy rape
furix Posted January 10, 2012 Posted January 10, 2012 Cross the borderline or take a trip to Mexico City. Happy rape Someone is still living in fantasy world.
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