Guilty Gear 2: Overture released

[Sol.Badguy]

A little harsh, eh, Sol.? U mad?

Hahaha nah that was long long ago. But it needed to be said

[Blackgenma]

I don't miss no good old days of GG2. I used to lose more frequently then I do now, if you can believe it.

[Ayumu Gardevoir]

I miss them, I lost every round, stuck at my masterghost by round 3, and had the time if my life.

I miss Panda, AJ, Xithmos, Suizetsu...

[Blackgenma]

I've played with those guys at least once before, including Suizetsu. AJ, xithmos, and antikirby are pretty fun to play with a mic on, it was one of the few times I enjoyed playing with a mic and using it. usually the English speakers I run into are....not fun to talk to. even though I play with Sol.badguy on weekends, we don't really have anything to discuss on the mic, so we just communicate using text message. we both have the typing pad thingy, so it's bearable. I would have liked to have more matches with those guys, they were cool.

[NeoVid]

And don't you dare put isiko so high up. He blows.

Well, he's the best player I've been in a match with.

Considering he quit out of any match that started going against him, it's good to know that my conclusion of "screw that guy" seems like the right one.

If only I'd been able to play back in the good old days. But hey, I've got a possibility of getting internet at home in the next few months.

[Blackgenma]

Hey Sol.badguy, you play GG2 during the week days right? around what time do you find matches?

[Sol.Badguy]

Mmm pretty much non existent from 2:00pm - 11:00pm . 12:00am - 2:00am things start picking up . 3:00am - 9:00am things are pretty good and intense . 10:00am things start slowing down again. 11:00am - 2:00 pm you might find a match or two.

I play everyday and even stay up all night on this game and these are the results I've found. If things aren't usually getting started, I'll leave my xbox controller on my leg and be playing my wii till my controller vibrates. And I'd talk to you more but I'm a shy guy if I don't have close friends around soo dun expect much x3.

[Honnou]

uh I might start playing this online for a bit, but I'd like to figure out wth to do first... so confusing

[Blackgenma]

uh I might start playing this online for a bit, but I'd like to figure out wth to do first... so confusing

have you read my FAQ? here's a link: http://www.gamefaqs.com/console/xbox360/game/942201.html

lots of practice is required, but it stops being so hard when you get the hang of it. also drop the the GG2 video section for examples on how to play. there's youtube vids and nicovideo vids over there.

link to GG2 Video thread: http://www.dustloop.com/forums/showthread.php?t=7935

the nico video redirector doesn't seem to be working lately. very annoying.

[Sol.Badguy]

Remember that 99.9% of americans give up this game because it's too tough for their tiny brains.

[Blackgenma]

I think its a combination of factors. not only that its though (because it is) but the lack of U.S. community doesn't help either.

[Kou2007]

Ky's Divine Gaze affects every friendly servants nearby, and the experience raising effect is

equally divided to those servants. If there is only one servant nearby it receives 100% experience

raise. If theres 4 servants nearby then they all receive 25% of the effect each.

This is why Ky users separate quadro from the group to give it big experience boost to make it

a killer.

[Blackgenma]

Ky's Divine Gaze affects every friendly servants nearby, and the experience raising effect is

equally divided to those servants. If there is only one servant nearby it receives 100% experience

raise. If theres 4 servants nearby then they all receive 25% of the effect each.

This is why Ky users separate quadro from the group to give it big experience boost to make it

a killer.

Hi kou2007. I'm the guy who plays on lo boundary ol account.

yeah I found out about Ky's divine gaze when Sol.badguy told me. I think it's a rather strange way to handle the skill, but the boost that the single unit receives is insane.

Sol.badguy mentioned that you think Ky and Sol are the best 1 vs 1's characters in the game. is this really your opinion? and if you do, why do you think so?

while I agree with Ky, I wouldn't put Sol up that high. Ky has extremely powerful units, and is a strong master when played correctly. my opinion is that Ky and Sin are the strongest characters in the game. though I'm not very good at 1 vs 1, so take my opinion with a grain of salt.

[Sol.Badguy]

Hi kou2007

Just Kou is probably fine ( - . - )

I think it's a rather strange way to handle the skill

Normal Quadro baliff shot - 150.

Lvl 3 Quadro baliff shot - 250.

Highest hp in game = 500

500 + 1 Quadro shot = 500 - 250 = 250.

500 + 2 Quadro shots = 500 - 500 = 0

Quadro shoots twice in about what...3 seconds?

Enough said.

my opinion is that Ky and Sin are the strongest characters in the game.

Yea I kinda gotta agreed. I don't think Sol's garbage anymore I just think it's easier to mess up and lose that oh so precious momentum with him. Also I'd probably put paradigm up with them but I know that's just because he's my worst to fight against...uhg... a character who wins by running away, avoiding any real fighting, and summoning really inexpensive and then the most powerful servent in the game. Great. I don't understand why anyone would be gay enough to choose a character like paradigm. Seriously.

[Blackgenma]

Normal Quadro baliff shot - 150.

Lvl 3 Quadro baliff shot - 250.

Highest hp in game = 500

500 + 1 Quadro shot = 500 - 250 = 250.

500 + 2 Quadro shots = 500 - 500 = 0

Quadro shoots twice in about what...3 seconds?

Enough said.

I'm saying the way the developers designed the skill is rather strange, and the fact that it powers up that monstrosity of a unit called "quardra balliff" is insanely effective. I didn't say that the skill was not useful, just that it behaves strangely.

did you know that range units do 200% damage to masters? no wonder monster horseman rapes hardcore.

paradigm is fun to play. I have no hate on him because a well played match can shut his ass down like it's no one's business. besides, his match-up with Sin is so bad it's not even funny. there's like...NOTHING paradigm can do in a fight against Sin. just jump, drop an apple in air, and wait for Sin to beak driver his ass when he lands. at least Sol has to chase paradigm around.

when you play paradigm, you notice that he does not have much range on his practical attacks, and his assistant bonnie is not reliable when facing masters (but it can be pulled off if the opponent is careless, and the player is decent with setting them up. even then, smart opponents know how to not be stupid and walk into them) Paradigm is like Sol, super unbalanced in his strengths, and has no hope of being on upper tier. I'd put both him and Sol squarely on the bottom. the game is relatively balanced, so you an still win with them obviously, in fact you can destroy people with them. Its just that they just aren't the most powerful of the characters.

Edit: I think Sol has it the worst when facing against Ky and Sin too. they are both strong masters (especially sin, ridiculously so. ) and they got the best units in the game hands down (except for wise men, but who cares, they are obsolete with mobiles that good anyway.) Sol lacks tools, he isn't well rounded enough, and his strengths aren't enough to justify him having horrible units (especially since Sin is so fucking strong and his units are amazing)

did I ever mention that I wish blockhead was worth summoning? I wish the blockhead was worth summoning.

did I ever mention that I wish Gigant wasn't such a retarded unit? or how I wish that spending those upgrades on him would improve his performance in a way where you know it makes a difference in most cases. or how I wish he wouldn't be such a giant mass of disappointment. that it actually has a use makes the fact that the unit sucks is all the more vexing; because it could have been so much more then what it is now. the way the game describes the unit in the rules section makes it seems like he's the unit to end all units, but all he really does is end your high expectations for Sol's elites.

Edit (2): this is a little random, but it's bugging me. there's a song on the soundtrack called "disadvantage" (vol 1, disk 2, song #25). I used to think it was a song used in multi-player matches, but I was completely wrong. does anyone know where that song is used in the game, if at all?

[Sol.Badguy]

did you know that range units do 200% damage to masters? no wonder monster horseman rapes hardcore.

I told you that ( - . - ) I'd go back and find the quote of me posting that but it was so long ago it'd take too long to find it...

did I ever mention that I wish Gigant wasn't such a retarded unit? or how I wish that spending those upgrades on him would improve his performance in a way where you know it makes a difference in most cases.

I just wish I could hit someones master with a stun grenade long enough for gigant to hit him with his ranged upgrade. 500+ dmg! yet...it misses....

Edit (2): this is a little random, but it's bugging me. there's a song on the soundtrack called "disadvantage" (vol 1, disk 2, song #25). I used to think it was a song used in multi-player matches, but I was completely wrong. does anyone know where that song is used in the game, if at all?

I don't recognize it, it might have been an unused music track like some other audio clips.

Btw, wtf does Quadro Baliffs "Because I'm elite" attack do?? I missed it again on the stupid info screens.

[Blackgenma]

I told you that ( - . - ) I'd go back and find the quote of me posting that but it was so long ago it'd take too long to find it...

:8/:

you did not. I discovered this through the GG2 wiki. I mentioned this earlier, and decided to post it again. below is the post where I originally mentioned it, all the way back at page 142.

double post.

came across some very interesting data here.

http://www12.atwiki.jp/guiltygear2/pages/31.html

it turns out, ranged units are actually weak to mobile. that means

Mobile > Armor, magic, range.

Mobile is a very powerful class.

WHY DOES SOL HAVE NO MOBILE!!!! he's got a real good mobile elite and a good mobile minion, but no low-level mobile unit. crap.

but check out the link I posted. it has specific data on advantages and disadvantages of each unit. worth a read, with the broken English translator I used.

theres also a "compatibility chart" and some videos on the bottom of the page. I don't understand the chart though. if anyone can tell me what the chart suggest, I'd be very interested. I think what it means is maybe some units gets bonuses from being paired together? I don't know.

apparently, master vs servants attack damage is a little different as well.

the master deals 200% damage to servants. servants deal 125% damage to masters

seems range servants are an exception, doing 200% damage to masters. so I guess you can say range is an anti master class, I guess. no wonder those damn twin triggers do so much damage.

this is all very interesting stuff. I'm going to have to check out those videos at the bottom of the page later.

EDIT:man, this GG2 wiki has SOOO much to it.

we are so behind as a community here in the U.S. lol.

also, there's a section just for helping beginner chose a character. they say don't worry about which character is strong or weak, the updates have made the gap between characters much smaller. nice. so in other words, no tier list.

so yeah, you didn't tell me squat. I'm not really the forgetful type.

and I managed to get CPU Valentine with he gigant lazer not too long ago. it was funny. I tested out the armor upgrade in a cpu points match, and I was disappointed. it only does big damage with a direct hit (so its hard for Gigant to hit small, agile enemies. still recommended on big targets like the bone biter. results may vary depending on the situation). the melee seems to be a relatively solid upgrade, I think anyway. perfect against many melee units who walk up to the gigant. great crowd control there.

and like I said before, read up what servants do in the "Rules" section in the pause menu (but not in training mode, you can't access it there)

[Kou2007]

I believe that Dr. is the strongest followed by Ky and Sol in 1 vs 1 matches. I also believe that

there is no such a thing as strong master since every master is strong when used by experienced

players, and you don't do much of master fights in 1 vs 1 anyways. Ky is strong because his only

weakness is the cost of his servants where it can be covered by the use of RTL. Sol is the

second hardest character to use since the master has to do all the work, he's the only master

that can quickly kill both the enemy master and servants. When I say quickly I mean quickly.

Ex. Against Izuna's kappas

X - side step (kappa is in super armor) - smash (MC) smash

This will instantly kill one kappa.

[Blackgenma]

well, I suck at singles, therefore I cannot refute the claim that there isn't much master fighting in singles.

you didn't say why you think paradigm is the strongest in singles though. paradigm is pathetically weak in comparison to other masters, so he isn't strong at all in fights (this is evident even with experienced players). once you have gotten used to the way players use paradigm, they are pretty easy to kill with any character. he's horrible at fighting thanks to his extremely limited tools in combat. as most of the time, they just spend their time running around and letting their servants cover for them, being sure to only engage the enemy master when their in the advantage. against characters with significant range (like raven), paradigm is joke, since many of his run away tactics just don't work.

there is also the fact that paradigm's armor units are horrible units, and his low-level servants are not powerful (they are not weak, but they lose to the majority of their equivalent in other tribes.) he does have cheap units at his disposal however, and the bone bitter is extremely powerful. controlling ghosts is easier with him thanks to his gate gunner. I don't think paradigm is a bad character at all, but he certainly lacks the flexibility of the other characters to be considered the best. this is not only from what I have played (like I said, I suck at singles) but from what I have seen matches as well.

as for Sol being able to kill masters and servants quick...I don't exactly agree that he kills them significantly faster then other characters (unless he applies dragon install). Sin can kill extremely fast using exciter, and without out it, he simply needs to use more tension than Sol would to get similar results.Sin can also kill any master in 2 combos, even Izuna can accomplish this. while Sol can preform damaging combos, he does not a plethora of 100% combos at his disposal. his more damaging combos require either a lot of tension, or a high execution and timing on the players part. coupled with the fact that Sol has among the worse range for masters and master can just cyclone blast him out of combos. his advantages in combat are not that great considering how easily out-zoned he is.

the example you used for kappa is exclusive for kappa units. if servants stood still when Sol hits them with smash attacks (is that what the jp call them?) then yes, he would be insanely fast at killing units, but that isn't the case.

but hey, this is just my opinion. I'm just thrilled to finally have some serious discussion regarding character strength and crap, since I talk about it with no one other then Sol.badguy.

[PandaKingEX]

Genma, Sol isn't as bad as you think. Sure the first roadblock is realizing that his servants can't assist him the same way that the others can, but at the same time that almost makes him easier to use, imo, since it's much easier to play a master effectively, than it is to be a master at servant play. Sol is kind of cheating in a way, since you can half ass your servant play, but as long as you run around beating the crap out of stuff in a fast and effective manner, you can win. Take advantage of this, I know I did.

When I played with you, your Sol was far too conservative. When playing as Sol, you need to feel like you're the most badass, badass in the world.

[Blackgenma]

Genma, Sol isn't as bad as you think. Sure the first roadblock is realizing that his servants can't assist him the same way that the others can, but at the same time that almost makes him easier to use, imo, since it's much easier to play a master effectively, than it is to be a master at servant play. Sol is kind of cheating in a way, since you can half ass your servant play, but as long as you run around beating the crap out of stuff in a fast and effective manner, you can win. Take advantage of this, I know I did.

When I played with you, your Sol was far too conservative. When playing as Sol, you need to feel like you're the most badass, badass in the world.

the last line made me chuckle.

I admit that I give Sol a lot of flack on this thread, but since those vids of kimera spanking guilty soul's paradigm with Sol, my opinion of him has improved. I thought for the longest time that Sol never stood a chance against paradigm, but I see now that that belief was unfounded. especially since the last game I saw kimera played guilty soul before with the same characters, kimera got crushed

as for me being too conservative...I don't know what to make of that. after playing a bunch of matches, I've learned that running in someones face nonstop and trying to eat them has bad results, and that Sol has limited options against characters that out zone him like no tomorrow (which is practically the entire cast, with the exception of what, paradigm?). when Sol is trying to get in, it's pretty easy to keep him out unless you give him your back. I look for example of the contrary but I haven't really found any. my own lack of skill accounts for me not being able to dominate with the character of coarse, but the things I see other players do reinforces what I say about Sol.

killing units fast...meh. I play sin, smack the servants around a bit, then either beak driver or big beak driver them. same results as Sol, only he uses tension. this is especially the case with exciter. Izuna, (L) x, x, j, 8x. if your your in a rush, (L) x, x, 2x, 8y does the trick. then spam 2y when necessary. I don't see the speed difference when killing servants between the characters all that significant.

but then again, I don't really see too many good Sol's online so what do I know? my opinion of the character remains for the most part, but I know I could be wrong about him.

[Sol.Badguy]

so yeah, you didn't tell me squat. I'm not really the forgetful type.

Good for you ( > . > ) guess I might have "forgot" to mention it to you hehe.

and I managed to get CPU Valentine with he gigant lazer not too long ago.

Ex. Against Izuna's kappas

X - side step (kappa is in super armor) - smash (MC) smash

This will instantly kill one kappa.

I do this so much I almost feel bad for it

killing units fast...meh. I play sin, smack the servants around a bit, then either beak driver or big beak driver them.

Yea I kinda agree with this. I exciter -> (F)8x, 8y. = dead drill.

THREE THINGS

1. I have developed a newfound love for items.

-Rapidfires are SO much fun. Limitless uses for this thing.

-Landmines I use to think were such an un-useful item, I never even considered placing two on top of eachother:psyduck:

-Heavy feet....probably my favorite item in the world.

-Dispels, duh.

-S drive. Put it on your quadro baliff, pick him up, go find a master, drop him off, death.

-Bombs are bombs.

-I still hate bananas like crazy.

2. MAN I hate getting a paradigm down to one hit to stupidly end my combo in VV so he can burst me away! ( x . x )/

3. Hunchback would be worth buying...If he didn't take up a slot.

but then again, I don't really see too many good Sol's other than Sol.Badguy who is the coolest guy ever online so what do I know?

[Blackgenma]

3. Hunchback would be worth buying...If he didn't take up a slot.

just sell it when you don't need it. its cheap as hell anyway. that's what I started doing.

I never thought of putting two land mines on top of each other.

fuck quadro ballif and heaven's libra. FUCK THEM.

I remember witnessing a match between Guilty Soul(Dr) and Kimera Cryin(Si) (I think it was kimera, but I'm not certain) on triora a couple months ago. Guilty Soul eventually took over the entire map, save the last two ghosts in front of Kimera's MG. Kimra had all his elites out, and had a sizable army.

I wondered to myself what Guilty Soul could do in this moment, and apparently, Guilty Soul was wondering the same thing. every time he advanced, Kimera would find him in the fray, and kill him,thus his army was forced to retreat (and kimera's units had no trouble holding his forces back either, they were doing perfectly fine.). eventually this happened enough times for guilty Soul to lose.

it was the weirdest shit, it was like victory was so close, yet impossible to obtain. Sin's servants are just too fucking strong (it gets to WTF proportions with convict hammer in there), they can strong arm the likes of paradigm's tribe, especially since paradigm lacks support units to even the odds (unlike raven and valentine).

paradigm not being able to do anything to Sin in master fights doesn't help his case either.

[PandaKingEX]

Dude, that's just because Kimera is good, not Sin. Lol, I saw a replay of Kimera playing Dr. P, against another good Sin (can't remember his name though). Kimera tried to bumrush the enemy masterghost at the start with a handful of servants and his overdrive, and failed at it, which caused him to lose the whole battlefield. Despite that Kimera just started spamming dogs, and raped Sin to death taking the whole field back, and winning the fight.

[Sol.Badguy]

Was the other guy's name ol Boundary lo ?