Lord Knight Posted October 13, 2010 Posted October 13, 2010 http://www.dustloop.com/forums/showthread.php?7413-BB-Continuum-Shift-Litchi-info-thread http://www.dustloop.com/forums/showthread.php?7413-BB-Continuum-Shift-Litchi-info-thread&p=464959&viewfull=1#post464959
Drill Posted October 13, 2010 Posted October 13, 2010 Hey. Random thought, but instead of getting into infighting about who plays who better and all that jazz, how about we go back to the changes? You know, being ON-TOPIC? If there's one thing I agree with it's that they shouldn't have taken out the j.C's jump cancel attribute like they did. 2 hits max then a JC? Really? If they want to knock Hazama down a notch, make j.C get less heat. Simple solution that doesn't screw up basic BnB stuff.
notsogos Posted October 13, 2010 Posted October 13, 2010 You do realize that being good doesn't automatically mean you know everything you do realize stunedge is better and more qualified to talk about haz nerfs/buffs than zheprime (read: the entirety of dustloop) because he has a more solid grasp on the ins and outs of this game and his character, right?
Zidane Posted October 13, 2010 Posted October 13, 2010 stuff I'm sorry, did you just say that someone being more skilled at a game has the same amount of merit in arguments as someone less skilled who doesn't know what they're talking about?
St1ckBuG Posted October 13, 2010 Posted October 13, 2010 http://www.dustloop.com/forums/showthread.php?7413-BB-Continuum-Shift-Litchi-info-thread http://www.dustloop.com/forums/showthread.php?7413-BB-Continuum-Shift-Litchi-info-thread&p=464959&viewfull=1#post464959 Hey, you posted a thread that's a year old about the final changes that were going to made to Litchi in Continuum Shift. WTF dude that make fucking no sense. L2post. Fucking scrub. Then you posted some random ass link to a post in that thread about some idiot complaining about how Litchi was going to be ass because they changed something that they weren't happy with. Litchi ended up being fucking top tier though... what an idiot. They thought they could determine her tier or how good the character was going to be without actually playing her first. Oh, shit... wait..... oooooooooooohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh... Oooohhhhh...
DoomieJ Posted October 13, 2010 Posted October 13, 2010 Basically, as he is now, I'm inclined to agree that he'll be C tier unless some of these changes are reversed or he gets some noticeable buffs in the next loctest. Glad you can put together a tier list for a game that isnt even done location tests yet. Do you drink some sort of beverage that can make you see into the distant future? I do. Its called Gasoline. Give it a shot.
Lord Knight Posted October 13, 2010 Posted October 13, 2010 http://www.dustloop.com/forums/showthread.php?7413-BB-Continuum-Shift-Litchi-info-thread&p=470994&viewfull=1#post470994 :psyduck:
Alzarath Posted October 13, 2010 Posted October 13, 2010 huh that signature.. it's just so.. you. Know what I mean? ^_~ is team NAH accepting applications ATM? I'd love to be affiliated with such outstanding players such as yourself ;D
A.X.I.S. Posted October 13, 2010 Posted October 13, 2010 team NAH don't take dumb nigga's, scrubs yes but dumb nigga's no. wait wait WHAT THE HELL IS GOING ON IN HERE!? WHAT IS THIS SHIT!? THE STUPIDITY! MY EYE'S ARE BLEEDING!
Toasty Posted October 13, 2010 Posted October 13, 2010 that signature.. it's just so.. you. Know what I mean? ^_~ is team NAH accepting applications ATM? I'd love to be affiliated with such outstanding players such as yourself ;D Woah... hold on. Gotta clarify things. NAH =/= netplayers. NAH = MI scene that's too sadlife to get everyone to events very often. On topic: I'd go with Stunedge and Zidane here. They both have solid experience to make good calls on the possible effects of Hazama's changes (playing frequently at high level offline events helps).
Black Onslaught Posted October 13, 2010 Posted October 13, 2010 I wish everyone would stop bitching about BBCS2 when America won't even touch that shit a week until the finished product hits japan. Damn, wait until there's a final motherfucking thing out before you guys " baaaw " all over dustloop. Just enjoy lol CS1 instead of wasting all of your effort into typing up boring paragraphs on how much someone is going to suck before you even know the full extent of what they can do.
ZhePrime Posted October 13, 2010 Posted October 13, 2010 Why did Hazama need a jump cancelable A? ALL of Hazama's air moves are JCable. Why the fuck does he need this? They took it away either cause they didn't want Hazama to be able to do EVERYTHING ( which he does now ) or cause.. It's ArcSys and it's their fucking game and they can do whatever they want. No I'm not overgeneralizing anything. I'm condensing why he's good cause I don't wanna type up all that shit again which you already argued against in the past. Also the fact that you're arguing with StunEdge, probably the best player in the US when he lived here, who qualed for SBO, about balance is seriously funny. If you're gonna act like that, what's even the point? I'll just ignore you in the future. Pointless to even to try and argue with you. >.> It's a move that causes magnetism. LIKE HIS D MOVES. Why shouldn't it be D instead of B? It just seems like they're changing things for no real reason, it's worked for years and no one was bothered by it. So why even change it? It just seems random. Also. Throws are ass in this game, stop relying on them for your damage. For some characters they can result in solid damage and certain setups. Not saying that throws were God or anything, but why make them bordering on useless? Shouldn't throws be a useful tool? idk why you guys are arguing with ZhePrime, the man is clearly a superior and more knowledgeable player. gtfo you scrubs Why people act like *sshats is beyond me. But I suppose only "US pros" are even worthy of talking about certain things and people should treat them like gods and not even open their mouths? Heck if you're real picky then they shouldn't even be "allowed" to speak since they're nowhere near as good as certain japanese players. Really, everyone is a person. A person can be right and wrong, no matter who it is. It's a forum, you dicuss things on a forum. There is no hierarchy. Why even drag THIS up? How about stayin on topic? Just because a certain someone has a beef with me. Anyway tl;dr, it is still a loketest, but the changes they're playing around with sure seem like a roundabout way to "fix" things, which was what I was trying to get across. Even someone with basic knowledge of the game and characters in question should be able to see that.
Janiekenzu Posted October 13, 2010 Posted October 13, 2010 Does anyone have any idea of where acsys is taking these changes. as of right now it seems like Jin is gonna be the new top tier
ZhePrime Posted October 13, 2010 Posted October 13, 2010 Does anyone have any idea of where acsys is taking these changes. as of right now it seems like Jin is gonna be the new top tier Well they are just tests, basically they just throw some stuff on the wall and see what sticks. Some changes have been a bit odd, but it's too soon to say anything. A lot of stuff can happen. Still a long way to go before the changes go live.
Zidane Posted October 13, 2010 Posted October 13, 2010 If you're gonna act like that, what's even the point? I'll just ignore you in the future. Pointless to even to try and argue with you. Act like what? Curse a lot? I like to fucking curse. Not trying to come off as hostile but that's what I do. You asked me why they needed to take out jA's jc. I gave an answer littered with swears. He doesn't need it. Even if they nerfed "the things that need to be nerfed" according to you, he still wouldn't need a jcable jA. It's like giving the billionaire another couple million. Why? Why people act like *sshats is beyond me. But I suppose only "US pros" are even worthy of talking about certain things and people should treat them like gods and not even open their mouths? Heck if you're real picky then they shouldn't even be "allowed" to speak since they're nowhere near as good as certain japanese players. Really, everyone is a person. A person can be right and wrong, no matter who it is. It's a forum, you dicuss things on a forum. There is no hierarchy. Why even drag THIS up? How about stayin on topic? Just because a certain someone has a beef with me. You fail to realize the difference between "US pros" shitting on your posts because they're "pro" and "US pros" shitting on your post because you're blatantly wrong. I can make up a long post explaining all the reasons you're wrong, but I did that in the past and you a) continued arguing even though many people pointed out how wrong you were and b) took it personal. So i'm just going to reiterate: You arguing with StunEdge, a very strong and knowledgable player about loke test changes makes you look foolish. People are trolling you because they realize how stupid that is. Now, I poke at you because even arguing about loke test changes is fucking stupid. Saying what they should take out and what they shouldn't is stupid because you don't know the thought process behind ArcSys. Maybe they're planning a certain buff or change a certain move along with said nerfs but haven't implemented correctly so they just put the nerfs in and are gonna put that X in next test. Maybe they're doing it cause they threw darts and Hazama got unlucky. WHO KNOWS. All I know is it's fucking pointless arguing about loke test anything. btw: I don't have a beef with you. Contrary to popular belief, I don't have a beef with Dacid "Teching 13 Frame Throws Is My Nemesis" Bro, Spirit Jake, WC or anyone in general. The only problem I have is with people posting stupid and/or wrong things/information on dustloop because then people believe them and people get worse rather than better. btw 2: Saw redsilversnake's post before he deleted it but couldn't remember enough of it to continue trolling him so aw shucks. edit btw 3: I saw a post of yours a while ago explaining how you don't even main Hazama. You continue to post things about him, some right, others mostly wrong. I've been playing Valk a lot since he came out. I don't post any tidbits / knowledge / matchup information in the Valk forums because i'm confident that as my "sub", I don't know enough to post about him and be completely right. It's better to keep your mouth shut in situations than assume you know something. This even goes for "US pros". Although i'd trust anything coming out of Vet Coast's mouth
ZONG_one Posted October 13, 2010 Posted October 13, 2010 I'm sorry, did you just say that someone being more skilled at a game has the same amount of merit in arguments as someone less skilled who doesn't know what they're talking about? Vet coast is win. St1ckBuG is win. Throws should be useful, yes. A knockdown is useful in itself though, characters don't need 5k off of their throws. Zidane is win. Teching throws is hard.
Critical Edge Posted October 13, 2010 Posted October 13, 2010 It seems interesting to take out his 3C > 214D~C. You could always combo into 3C > 214~B, so I'm guessing there will be more focus on that, along with lowering his BNB to only JC x2 > JC x 5 to lower Heat gain. Sounds like Hazama's going to lose all of his BNBs at this rate, but other cool stuff will be discovered with Hazama I'm sure. I like that 3C makes people float even though it ruins the BNBs he has now. Makes me think of the possibilities.
itsme Posted October 13, 2010 Posted October 13, 2010 I wish everyone would stop bitching about BBCS2 when America won't even touch that shit a week until the finished product hits japan. Did anyone confirm if CS2 is even coming to the US because of the online system? Because last time I read a discussion on it, it was a no.
Black Onslaught Posted October 13, 2010 Posted October 13, 2010 CS2 = the fabled rebalance patch for console, i'm pretty sure anyway. if not then this last week of bitching was literally for -nothing-
skd Posted October 13, 2010 Posted October 13, 2010 zhe obviously doesnt respect zidane's opinion for one reason hes free as hell look at how free i made him at guard crush, Zhe could probably roll him with his eyes closed Stay free zidane, you dont know what youre talking about, 5A anti air is obviously shitty stop trying to use it oh wait
Drill Posted October 13, 2010 Posted October 13, 2010 REQUEST TO MOD TO LOCK THREAD. ITS GOTTEN OFF-TOPIC, OUT OF HAND, BECOME A FLAME WAR, ETC. In Caps to draw attention. Seriously, I think we've discussed all we can about the 2nd Loketest for now. All that's happening now is people saying shit, others calling them out on shit, and big arguments about crap that doesn't belong in this thread. So can a Mod lock this thread? Either indefinitely or until the 3rd Loketest at least? Better to nip this shit now than let it go on any longer.
Zidane Posted October 13, 2010 Posted October 13, 2010 Keep trolling you say? INDUBITABLY MY GOOD FELLOW.
J-KT21 Posted October 14, 2010 Posted October 14, 2010 Did anyone confirm if CS2 is even coming to the US because of the online system? Because last time I read a discussion on it, it was a no. It obviously is the balance patch. I seriously wouldn't see the purpose of CSII balance changes if they're going to independently make different ones for the console version anyway, haha. It seems interesting to take out his 3C > 214D~C. You could always combo into 3C > 214~B, so I'm guessing there will be more focus on that, along with lowering his BNB to only JC x2 > JC x 5 to lower Heat gain. Sounds like Hazama's going to lose all of his BNBs at this rate, but other cool stuff will be discovered with Hazama I'm sure. I like that 3C makes people float even though it ruins the BNBs he has now. Makes me think of the possibilities. Well, somebody's mentioned that j.C x2 > j.C x5 didn't work since you wouldn't drop down enough. It would be something more like j.B > j.C x2 > JC > j.C x5. But what I'm trying to think of is how to follow up 214D-B. I don't really mind having to change 214D-C to 214D-B for his BnB, but it does seem like his range will have shortened even more, don't you agree? He's too good as he is now but the thing that I really fear is now how bad he could get but what direction are they taking him to. I don't want him to completely change either :/.
LordSpectreX Posted October 14, 2010 Posted October 14, 2010 REQUEST TO MOD TO LOCK THREAD. ITS GOTTEN OFF-TOPIC, OUT OF HAND, BECOME A FLAME WAR, ETC. In Caps to draw attention. Seriously, I think we've discussed all we can about the 2nd Loketest for now. All that's happening now is people saying shit, others calling them out on shit, and big arguments about crap that doesn't belong in this thread. So can a Mod lock this thread? Either indefinitely or until the 3rd Loketest at least? Better to nip this shit now than let it go on any longer. Teacher's pet.
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