[CS2] Hazama Changes Thread

[Tyrant Rave]

what the hell, if this stuff sticks we all might as well start looking for a new main.

[g0th1k4]

yea i saw the 214D~A knock them down to the ground too...interesting...n also after that it shows platinum being hit up by 5C in which i can guess platinum must have a pretty big hit box?

[zdravkelja]

If it knocks down, maybe 3C > 214D~A > 2B > 5C > 2C > 4D > air combo could be possible if 214D~A doesn't push them too far...

[Arifureta]

214D~A > 2B/5C could be the new BnB if this sticks. :V

[itsme]

So does this mean no more 8-10 hits from j.C, and maximum damage comes from a 7 hit j.C?

[Tachyons]

For wishful thinking, I'd like Jabaki wallbounce on normal hit for corner combos.

Ressenga KD is interesting.

5A anti-air combo gone D:

[Arifureta]

So does this mean no more 8-10 hits from j.C, and maximum damage comes from a 7 hit j.C?

That, or the second set of C mashing is now a link.

[zdravkelja]

I don't think it will be possible to do j.Cx2 > jc > j.Cx5

It's only 2 hits, I think Haz will not drop down enough so next jc into j.Cx5 will miss.

[stunedge]

so far i think all nerfs make sense besides 3C>214DC

he was pretty broken back in CS1

i think 3C>623D combos for many characters, didn't get enough time to try that in the vid

for the anti-air, 2C>C>4D~ works so not really a big issue

throw can still combo into jayoku in the corner and most characters got nerfed in mid-screen so its alright

[ZhePrime]

so far i think all nerfs make sense besides 3C>214DC

he was pretty broken back in CS1

What made Hazama good was not included in the changes they did, imo.

No really, j.A not j.c, why? What was broken about that?

If they thought j.Cx 10 gave too much Heat, why not simply nerf the Heat gained from it? Now they nerf the Heat AND damage on a vast majority of Haz's combos.

The strange nerf to 214D~C is odd as well (to pull in, only float now), making 66>5C pretty much mandatory (should certain combos or whatever still function). Why change this?

etc.

Making vanilla throw worthless (800 dmg throw w. no followup apart from in the corner with 50% Heat, really?), no point in not doing 236C over a normal throw at all now and j.B+C is laughable.

A bunch of changes don't make much sense. We'll see how he turns out after all the tweaks, but I just don't see the point of most of the current changes.

[stunedge]

lol, calm down

only thing i'd say is people should stop complaining during loketest just cuz they cant do their BnBs or little tricks anymore

and..

lots characters' throw got nerf

[wuku]

I'm sorry, what? They made A canceling chains faster, but harder to combo with?

Uh sorry for making a confusion. I missed several things about Ouroboros. Here are the extra changes I missed from my previous list with some revisions.

- Ouroboros: Speed is increased. D ~ A cancel is faster now. Hitstun of all Ouroboros (far version) is significantly decreased. It's the reason why 6DA - 6DA - 6D is harder now. You need more time to recover Ouroboros gauge than CS1.

- Air throw: makes opponent ground bound, you can do follow up combo.

- Back throw: you can do follow up combo with J6D for all characters, but you can only follow up with jayoku after J6D.

- 214DA (Ressenga): You can't do follow up combo with ground hit for lvl 1 version even if it's crouching hit. Only lvl 2 version can do follow up combo.

[ZhePrime]

lol, calm down

only thing i'd say is people should stop complaining during loketest just cuz they cant do their BnBs or little tricks anymore

and..

lots characters' throw got nerf

I am calm, what made you think otherwise? And I already said some pages back that "it's just a loketest".

You said that the current changes "make sense", which they really don't i.m.o. The changes are not just limited to Hazama, mind you, but several characters have recieved odd changes. Some characters even got pointless changes. Like with Tager they changed his Voltic Charge move input from B to D.

And what's the point of making throws useless? Risk a throw for 800 dmg or continue mix/cross up for almost 3k damage and more heat? The changes don't make sense, that's just it.

[wuku]

I don't think it will be possible to do j.Cx2 > jc > j.Cx5

It's only 2 hits, I think Haz will not drop down enough so next jc into j.Cx5 will miss.

You can do 4DD > JB > JCx2 > jc > JCx5 > j214B instead.

[Zidane]

What made Hazama good was not included in the changes they did, imo.

What made Hazama good: D button, safe everything with good reward, heat gain, damage

What they nerfed: D button, safe everything with lesser or no rewards now, heat gain, damage

[ZhePrime]

What made Hazama good: D button, safe everything with good reward, heat gain, damage

What they nerfed: D button, safe everything with lesser or no rewards now, heat gain, damage

You're overgeneralizing. They made such broad moves that it affected those elements, sure. But the actual moves that needed tweaking were not tweaked.

Example, what was so amazing with j.c j.A? Or why some of the other strange changes?

[Zidane]

Why did Hazama need a jump cancelable A? ALL of Hazama's air moves are JCable. Why the fuck does he need this? They took it away either cause they didn't want Hazama to be able to do EVERYTHING ( which he does now ) or cause.. It's ArcSys and it's their fucking game and they can do whatever they want.

No I'm not overgeneralizing anything. I'm condensing why he's good cause I don't wanna type up all that shit again which you already argued against in the past.

Also the fact that you're arguing with StunEdge, probably the best player in the US when he lived here, who qualed for SBO, about balance is seriously funny.

[ZONG_one]

Making vanilla throw worthless (800 dmg throw w. no followup apart from in the corner with 50% Heat, really?), no point in not doing 236C over a normal throw at all now and j.B+C is laughable.

>.>

Welcome to Arakune.

The changes are not just limited to Hazama, mind you, but several characters have recieved odd changes. Some characters even got pointless changes. Like with Tager they changed his Voltic Charge move input from B to D.

And what's the point of making throws useless? Risk a throw for 800 dmg or continue mix/cross up for almost 3k damage and more heat? The changes don't make sense, that's just it.

It's a move that causes magnetism.

LIKE HIS D MOVES.

Why shouldn't it be D instead of B?

Also.

Throws are ass in this game, stop relying on them for your damage.

I would like Blade's opinion on this matter.

Without it, I have no material.

Also, stunedge > your life basically.

IRL and in-game, dude is pretty godlike.

[skd]

Top us players dont know about niggas at home

they dont travel and make stunedge look free

(if they traveled, but they too good for that)

[notsogos]

stunedge beat me up with his ky once, his spacing is really too godlike

someone show me his hazama

[ZONG_one]

stunedge beat me up with his ky once, his spacing is really too godlike

someone show me his hazama

I beat his Jin/fresh Haz when he came to SoCal.

But eventhough he was here for one weekend, he was/still is the best Haz in SoCal imo.

[Alzarath]

idk why you guys are arguing with ZhePrime, the man is clearly a superior and more knowledgeable player.

gtfo you scrubs

[Zidane]

Dacid "Where does one begin to try to tech 13 frame throws" Bro told me I was the best Hazama he fought. I guess that means i'm the best in the world.

[notsogos]

yeah i mean, look at the moonspeak in his signature he must be from the holy land

weeaboo4lyfe

edit: Zidane is a faggot

edit2: Stickbug is also a faggot

edit3: in fact they are a dickloving couple

[St1ckBuG]

Joke-tests are so serious.

This one time I played a game and it didn't let me do what I wanted it to do. I told my mom to never get me a bad game ever again or I'd hang myself while she was sleeping. What a dumb bitch. She yells at me cause I'm spoiled but she doesn't understand me in the first place.

Stunedge > everyone else on these boards. Everyone.