A.X.I.S. Posted October 16, 2010 Posted October 16, 2010 WTF WHY it was incredibly stupid you may not be too good with her but I fought all the good makoto's I can fight online and that move is too strong. tagers 5C being unblockable is what we call jump prevention, finally arc is making tager good.
HiagoX Posted October 16, 2010 Posted October 16, 2010 it was incredibly stupid you may not be too good with her but I fought all the good makoto's I can fight online and that move is too strong. lrn2block
farranpoison Posted October 16, 2010 Posted October 16, 2010 lrn2block This. Honestly, BBS was the one move that stopped Makoto from being even lower on the tier list. No range, and when she has meter suddenly RANGE.
A.X.I.S. Posted October 16, 2010 Posted October 16, 2010 ok 3k damage by itself. 1.6K damage guaranteed damage. the fact of the matter was makoto got 3k off a lot of shit and got even more damage in the corner of course you too aren't so good with her so you wouldn't know. trust me that move was dumb ass fuck and I'm glad it got nerfed.
farranpoison Posted October 16, 2010 Posted October 16, 2010 That's like nerfing Tager's 720. What is this. And if BBS is so damned good, and she gets 3k off of everything, sounds like she must be high tier. Oh wait, she's not. Why? RANGE. And now the one move that gave her range at a cost (heat) has been nerfed. Cool?
Setsuna Posted October 16, 2010 Posted October 16, 2010 I love your avatar. So much. <3 Kami-sama Are the 3rd Loketest happening this minute in Japan ? o.o
HiagoX Posted October 16, 2010 Posted October 16, 2010 ok 3k damage by itself. 1.6K damage guaranteed damage. the fact of the matter was makoto got 3k off a lot of shit and got even more damage in the corner of course you too aren't so good with her so you wouldn't know. trust me that move was dumb ass fuck and I'm glad it got nerfed. First of all, learn how to block. Second, she had her Drive totally nerfed and not only her BBS, meaning her damage output is supposedly greatly reduced and what you're saying is not an excuse at all. Third, this is a loketest. And fourth, learn how to block. <3 Kami-sama Are the 3rd Loketest happening this minute in Japan ? o.o Yes, sir.
Varamathras Posted October 16, 2010 Posted October 16, 2010 First of all, learn how to block. Second, she had her Drive totally nerfed and not only her BBS, meaning her damage output is supposedly greatly reduced and what you're saying is not an excuse at all. Third, this is a loketest. And fourth, learn how to block. You ever block while throwing out a lobelia? It's a full screen reversal that does huge damage and completely shuts down zoning.
mAc Chaos Posted October 16, 2010 Posted October 16, 2010 I don't like the teching off sweeps. Not sure what they're trying with that.
Mightfo Posted October 16, 2010 Posted October 16, 2010 yeah, the teching off sweeps this is just baffling. why would we have damage or okizemi off lows......................... A 3 frame trap is the correct answer, and those exist already. Also, lows prevent players from jumping barrier: you can't hold up and block low at the same time. Jump back + barrier will stop air-unblockable Ragna 5B and Jin's 5C, so I doubt it. Hm..I thought you couldn't transition from blocking on the ground to jump barrier blocking, or is that just for ground barrier blocking?
Jewdo Posted October 16, 2010 Posted October 16, 2010 Rachel -6A has been buffed -It's been corroborated that 6A has been buffed. Tsubaki - 3C > D-sword (214D? 22D?) connects as usual - if she has a jump cancel left, she can do C-wings > j.D > air combo - post-landing recoveries on aerial charge cancels and JDs are unchanged Update: General Nantoka says he's got a cold. I don't know if we'll hear more from him today.
Yoshara Posted October 16, 2010 Posted October 16, 2010 That's like nerfing Tager's 720. What is this. And if BBS is so damned good, and she gets 3k off of everything, sounds like she must be high tier. Oh wait, she's not. Why? RANGE. And now the one move that gave her range at a cost (heat) has been nerfed. Cool? Wait, since when has there been a tier list made with Makoto on it? P.S. BBS is still a full screen 2 frame punish. It is still pretty damn good.
A.X.I.S. Posted October 16, 2010 Posted October 16, 2010 That's like nerfing Tager's 720. What is this. And if BBS is so damned good, and she gets 3k off of everything, sounds like she must be high tier. Oh wait, she's not. Why? RANGE. And now the one move that gave her range at a cost (heat) has been nerfed. Cool? 1. no its not, 720 is a whole different game man and if they are gonna nerf that then they better make some good changes on it. 2. bang's normals range aren't that great but hey he fucks everyone in the ass. 3. learn 2 block is a shitty argument, I play tager all I do is block. 4. she didn't get 3k off everything, she got it off quite a few things into corner, its like fighting a squirrel tao. having a super like that is stupid, the fact that your arguing over it is stupid, why are you doing stupid? stop it...just fucking stop. First of all, learn how to block. Second, she had her Drive totally nerfed and not only her BBS, meaning her damage output is supposedly greatly reduced and what you're saying is not an excuse at all. Third, this is a loketest. And fourth, learn how to block. look at it this way, scrubs won't be able to use it as a crutch, hell no one will. again telling me to learn how to block is a insult to us both because one thats the best you can do and two I main tager all I do is block. p.s: I know its a loctest but if she uses BBS and a couple stupid 1 combo into corner sillyness then I can go nuts.
Chiizu Posted October 16, 2010 Posted October 16, 2010 Damage output is NOT a sound argument for tier list ranking. Take Noel, her average BnB does something like 3.5k. In the corner she can rape you silly for 6k meterless, effortlessly. That alone would make her top tier. And what of it? She's Rachel-tier.
Mizzet Posted October 16, 2010 Posted October 16, 2010 I've always said that, all things being equal, abare is far more important than raw damage. And even if things were unequal, I'd still take having good abare over having good damage and no way to land it. Of course, having both is better, and if you look at CS's tier list and how good each character's abare and damage is it fits nicely.
Jewdo Posted October 16, 2010 Posted October 16, 2010 None so far. We'll find out if Bang (and any other heretofore unmentioned character) has been changed for Location Test 3.
Dacidbro Posted October 16, 2010 Posted October 16, 2010 I think it's funny how no one can believe that they're making defensive options worse (Adding more air-unblockables and such) when everyone always complains CS is too defensive and they're OBVIOUSLY universally lowering the damage from most combos significantly Stay free, dustloop
Whiteboywilly Posted October 16, 2010 Posted October 16, 2010 Ragna 5b air unblockable still stupid. Look according to my sig you rape keebler elves. Stay keebler Dacid.
LordSpectreX Posted October 16, 2010 Posted October 16, 2010 But Dacid, surely that now people can't jump out, people will just end up defending more?
bruce_low Posted October 16, 2010 Posted October 16, 2010 Are these the complete changes from the 3rd loketest or are there still undiscovered or to be reported? cheers, bruce_low
FormerlyUnknown Posted October 16, 2010 Posted October 16, 2010 time for FU's 2-cents! buffing rags 5b is the stupidest shit i've heard makoto d-nerfs! it's like christmas <3 3c techs are stupid but if they're for the whole cast I don't mind (mine's already useless, so keep em comeing) jin being high tier was inevitable (now I have an excuss to get off my lazy ass and learn him) tager haveing more lockdown options = blacklist (lol learn to block amIright? -360'd-) more of kune's normals nerfed = confused (am I missing something? was j.c that good? it's the hardest way to get a full curse off hit) have fun trolls <3
seyu Posted October 16, 2010 Posted October 16, 2010 god why did they even touch makoto? im starting to doubt ASW knows what theyre doing afterall. i feel offended
ざわ…ざわ Posted October 16, 2010 Posted October 16, 2010 Ushidonburi posted a link about 10 minutes ago to this blog entry: http://generalnantoka.blog35.fc2.com/blog-entry-390.html Seems to list this test's changes, as well as the previous ones. Someone with Japanese knowledge could translate this if they like, it seems like up above it talks about the air unblockables most of the cast gets and the 3C techs. Rachel has an additional change here, and is one of the few I can understand from Google Translate: Gatling added 6B -> 6C I sincerely hope they do not renege this change, because I am quite happy about it.
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