XDest Posted October 19, 2010 Posted October 19, 2010 j.2B is 2 hits of her old j.236B or whatever it was. And he gets jumped on because he never learns. ...and it's entertaining. Other way around, I think. j.2B is CS' j.B, and j.B is CT's j.236Bx2.
ZONG_one Posted October 19, 2010 Posted October 19, 2010 Other way around, I think. j.2B is CS' j.B, and j.B is CT's j.236Bx2. Ahh, I see. Thanks for clearing that up. Wish we could play on good connection, also. Hope to play you in tournament someday. (^_^)
FormerlyUnknown Posted October 19, 2010 Posted October 19, 2010 I thought about this, but that is hard. Especially since I don't recall Ara 5A being very effective against it, and that'd be ara's only tool to actually hit him out of it besides reversal spider. hence why kune's normals are horrible?
ZONG_one Posted October 19, 2010 Posted October 19, 2010 hence why kune's normals are horrible? Hey hey IB > 5A is godlike. Just not against that move. And I only used Ara as an example because that's who lord spectre plays, and he was the one who said Hazama stance overhead is very unsafe.
TD Posted October 19, 2010 Posted October 19, 2010 Not even jin's 5a punishes 214da consistantly. And online forget about dp countering it.
J-KT21 Posted October 19, 2010 Posted October 19, 2010 Hazama's 214DA overhead is incredibly unsafe... It's pretty safe actually, as long as you don't spam it and make yourself obvious. But I wonder how would it be if it had the same properties as Gauntlet Hades and actually floated the opponent... It would be cool to just have a try...hmmm....
Skye Posted October 20, 2010 Posted October 20, 2010 215da is safe on block, but not on exe, IB anything he does before the attack (3C) and you can pop him while he's doing the move, I've IB 5c'd that move with Jin, so I can confirm that you can punish the start up of that move within at most (so far) 10 frames after an IB.
rei-Scarred Posted October 20, 2010 Posted October 20, 2010 It's also really easy to 5D on reaction with Noel. You can also 5D through Zaneiga on reaction super easy. Hazama really needs a different approach to mixup against noel.
Mizzet Posted October 20, 2010 Posted October 20, 2010 Yeah, 5d beats 214d~a clean, very easy to time the invulnerability because 214d~a active frames are very short. Also 2d hops over 214d~c, 5d works too but is a little harder to time because 214d~c (compared to 214d~a) has longer active frames and thus a bigger window to stuff it's invulnerability. It's generally not a good idea to cancel into Hazama's 214d series after his normals to continue pressure against Noel, even a bad Noel can guess 50/50 between 5d/2d and the payoff is in her favour. Pressuring Noel is just a little weird in general, due to the nature of her drive.
A.X.I.S. Posted October 20, 2010 Posted October 20, 2010 FYI hazama is incredibly safe overall. you can only really punish him on IB...making me sadlife.
Zidane Posted October 20, 2010 Posted October 20, 2010 215da is safe on block, but not on exe, IB anything he does before the attack (3C) and you can pop him while he's doing the move, I've IB 5c'd that move with Jin, so I can confirm that you can punish the start up of that move within at most (so far) 10 frames after an IB. So what you're telling me is that you've IBed a move and pushed a button and that it so happened to punish another move. Not that you IBed a move and reacted to Hazama's X and punished it with Y. Is that the gist of it?
psycofang2 Posted October 20, 2010 Posted October 20, 2010 i swear every time you post i hear hazamas voice. no disrespect mind you. and i wonder how taos new jB will work out.
Synthesis Posted October 20, 2010 Posted October 20, 2010 Wait. Is his 214D~A +2 on block or +2 on IB? If that is the case, can't you just IB it and make it -3? That's pretty unsafe to me.
smooshman Posted October 20, 2010 Posted October 20, 2010 Wait. Is his 214D~A +2 on block or +2 on IB? If that is the case, can't you just IB it and make it -3? That's pretty unsafe to me. ....not really.
TD Posted October 20, 2010 Posted October 20, 2010 Listen, ib or no the shit is safe. Try and punish it on ib (Purposely mind you), l'll fucking paypal over $10 to anyone who uploads it in a real match real talk. Because when l try
Zidane Posted October 20, 2010 Posted October 20, 2010 I'm not certain but I imagine the only things fast enough to punish -3 on block are 360/720s. Pretty sure there aren't 3 frame normals in this game. Too lazy to check about supers though.
Dacidbro Posted October 20, 2010 Posted October 20, 2010 The base of what Skye is saying is legitimate. If you IB 3C, Hazama kind of has to Jabaki or risk getting punched in the face by most of the cast. He can stance cancel and be negative frames, both of his mix options get punched in the face, and his DP will beat you but if you press no buttons he eats ultimate shit.
FlyingVe Posted October 20, 2010 Posted October 20, 2010 I'm not certain but I imagine the only things fast enough to punish -3 on block are 360/720s. Pretty sure there aren't 3 frame normals in this game. Too lazy to check about supers though. I'm a frame data fiend , the fastest moves in the game are 5 frame (unless you count Makoto's parry or Hakumen's counters going active). So you can't punish his overhead unless you pull an air IB.
Zidane Posted October 20, 2010 Posted October 20, 2010 I know that's how 3C->stance works. "215da is safe on block, but not on exe, IB anything he does before the attack (3C)" He said anything done before stance overhead and then (3C). I imagine he used 3C is an example. If he meant specifically 3C then stop playing Hazama scrubs / stop doing 3C stance. Jesus, this is like a year into the fucking game. Now if he did mean by example, what he pretty much said was "IB this, push button, profit" which is fucking stupid because you can say that about almost anything.
TD Posted October 20, 2010 Posted October 20, 2010 Moves with invul. from frame 1 are good. Too bad they get punished easily... *sigh*
Soniti Posted October 20, 2010 Posted October 20, 2010 Last I checked the fastest move in this game is 5f. -3 on IB isn't anywhere near as bad as you might think.
TD Posted October 20, 2010 Posted October 20, 2010 Okay, so heres a small off topic question. How much is mu's sword of eecimation on ib block? l rarely get punished for ending with it but i'm curious if it's minor disadvantage or just heavy pushback. Also, any specific info on -how- chop's gravity seed got better? ls it nigger hitbox or...?
Skye Posted October 20, 2010 Posted October 20, 2010 If he meant specifically 3C then stop playing Hazama scrubs That's a tall order, sir, given that besides you, (and kid viper, I guess) no other non-scrub Hazamas exist. Now if he did mean by example, what he pretty much said was "IB this, push button, profit" which is fucking stupid because you can say that about almost anything. In a general sense, true as niggas loving fried chicken. But as far as I've seen and experienced, nothing into 214da is a legit blockstring, the gap is notable enough to act on.
Zidane Posted October 20, 2010 Posted October 20, 2010 Cool. Guess it's time to revive the "I can react and push a button to this 19 frame overhead" argument.
FlyingVe Posted October 20, 2010 Posted October 20, 2010 Okay, so heres a small off topic question. How much is mu's sword of eecimation on ib block? l rarely get punished for ending with it but i'm curious if it's minor disadvantage or just heavy pushback. Also, any specific info on -how- chop's gravity seed got better? ls it nigger hitbox or...? It's -10 on normal block, but, the longer it's charged the more frame advantage it gets. At full charge it's +1 or 2. The reason people don't punish it often is because of range. Cool. Guess it's time to revive the "I can react and push a button to this 19 frame overhead" argument. He probably means he's reacting to the stance+overhead, in which case he's asking for trouble because Hazama has a ton of options out of his stance.
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