[CPEX] Hakumen Gameplay Discussion

[Fujiwara]

His gameplan in general sounds a lot like Baiken's to me.

Meter management

Rely on spacing and normals.

Don't rely on counters.

Scumbag your way to victory

Be a wall.

I mean, if I'm completely wrong, please enlighten me.

And yea, I live in Philly. I need to get to know some people who play in this damn place or around it. After NEC people go back into hiding.

[mAc Chaos]

> Scumbag your way to victory

i love how this is becoming a default strategy

nah that's basically it

normally you don't want to use counters that much but for me personally i can get a lot out of them, but that's after you have most of the other stuff down

he's basically as close to a SF character in BB as you can get, i've heard people say before

[Sophisticat]

Strong fundamentals will take you a long way with Haku.

I find he works best as an anti-offense character. You have counters, and then you have great normals that fish CHs. With a bit of work, you can always keep them guessing, and he's got decent abare to keep up momentum. Spacing is also key. Shutting down the other guy is one of Haku's strengths. Use it.

Most combos require 3 stars or less. His high-dmg stuff doesn't need more than 5. He averages 3k+ midscreen, 4-5k in the corner, and 6-7k+ at top end. Very decent output. He's also got some of, if not the, best corner carry combos since they go full-screen or close to it. On top of that, most combos can be started from just about any normal.

Any questions, we're all here to help.

[Fujiwara]

First question would be: What should be my general uses of Stars midscreen and corner. Is shelling out meter for damage a good idea, or is it best to sit on some Stars depending on the match-up when combo'ing.

Second: How is his meter gain in Ex? Will a midscreen BnB that moves them into the corner get me enough Stars back for a TK Hotaru if I can sniff something out on their wake-up?

Third: I think I read somewhere that Hopping dashes are canceled from the 8th frame onward, is this true?

[mAc Chaos]

1) Depends on your style. I always use the least stars I can in combos. Other people go nuts and go for big damage. But the rule of thumb is 1 star should be worth at least 1000 damage. You can get by with 1-3 star combos for the most part.

2) You want to gain some stars before you go in on the offense. His meter gain is OK. I think you get about 1-2 stars back per combo depending how long it is.

3) Yeah.

[Fujiwara]

Ah, well thanks for the info so far. Everything is pretty satisfactory so far.

Time to go read up on the normals and learn some easy Bnb's first.

[xlolxlolx]

well all dat sorta applies to every char in gg lol and guard cancels are far superior compared to counters

to me hes a reworked slowmo ky :V

[mAc Chaos]

i thought that was jin

[xlolxlolx]

naw bro look at haku's normals 5c = c.s, 3c = 2hs, 2c = 2hs, 4c = f.s, other stuffs

ky had good anti airs and jin's suck donkey balls

[WolfCrimson]

^Don't you mean 3C is like 2S?

But still Haku and Ky still have huge differences between them. Haku does damage compared to Ky, for example, and Ky has a strong zoning projectile(stunedge), while Haku has no such thing.

[dioxideUniversa]

isn't hakumen really not sufficiently enough like any GG character to warrant a serious comparison?

not that i'd know but last i checked that was the general consensus.

[BladeOfJustice7]

I always use the least stars I can in combos..

That's a lie.

to me hes a reworked slowmo ky :V

Finally someone who realizes this. I main the 2 and I was turned off from jin because he plays NOTHING like ky.

i thought that was jin

NO Jin is more rtsd oriented than Ky is, Ky is very spacing oriented.

^Don't you mean 3C is like 2S?

But still Haku and Ky still have huge differences between them. Haku does damage compared to Ky, for example, and Ky has a strong zoning projectile(stunedge), while Haku has no such thing.

Ky isn't a zoner, yes he can zone, but he relies on spacing his normals and projectiles. Just as Hakumen is like an sf character, people have said the same about ky. they both rely on outplaying you opponent through good spacing, footsies, and reads and both have minimal mixup and very meter dependent for damage.

isn't hakumen really not sufficiently enough like any GG character to warrant a serious comparison?

not that i'd know but last i checked that was the general consensus.

You could say that as well.

[mAc Chaos]

> least stars

wut really

But I only ever do like 1 star 3C combos or 3 star corner combos.*

*not counting if it's for the kill

[xlolxlolx]

whoops yeah i typed that in a hurry 3c = 2s

and yeah obviously they play nothing alike since gg is a very rushdown heavy game, would be hilarious to see haku doing vt loops :D

oh and ky's not exactly a zoner but he is if you play him like ain lololol

Edited December 6, 2012 by xlolxlolx

[BladeOfJustice7]

and yeah obviously they play nothing alike since gg is a very rushdown heavy game, would be hilarious to see haku doing vt loops :D

It would be too godly for Hakumen to be doing them.

oh and ky's not exactly a zoner but he is if you play him like ain lololol

Ain is just REALLY good at spacing things, he's not a zoner.

[xlolxlolx]

you havent seen ain do his classic fb stun ray spam acse/tk se enough then lol

[BladeOfJustice7]

I won't lie, I never heard of ain when I was originally playing GG. Though I've been wtaching him a lot lately, and is pretty much THE Ky player for GGR. Machaboo doesn't play as much sadly, though I prefer Ain's playstyle.

@Spark http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=TCBOKezFu3A#t=5416s Another projectile yukikaze activation, looks like they tweaked something because it activates faster or something. If you look at Ragna during the activation it took him time to recover and Hakumen was still moving.

[Kriegdrache]

Scumbag your way to victory

Lol, this is a legit tactic I guess.

Justice belongs to the side that wins after all.

[Fujiwara]

Well, regardless, his gameplan is similiar to Baiken's in my eyes. I won't say he plays just like her, since he doesn't have Guard Cancels and instead has coutners, which means I can't rely on someone doing a dumb normal in their string and popping it. I have to make confident reads with Hakumen before touching the D button.

[Kriegdrache]

Just unmap the D button.

[Sophisticat]

^ I did that for a couple weeks to improve my game once. Worked awesomely.

[LegendaryRath]

3K Agito punish http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=EugRjHhTI0M#t=2114s

He used Tsubaki at the end to get the kill, but it still does 2.6k before that. Not bad at all, I'd say.

4.2K Ch 3C > 5C > 632146C http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=EugRjHhTI0M#t=2176s

Edited December 6, 2012 by LegendaryRath

[kirbster]

Wow fuck Agito

[CupofT]

4.2K Ch 3C > 5C > 632146C http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=EugRjHhTI0M#t=2176s

Was the 623A necessary in this combo?

[mAc Chaos]

Could've been a burst bait or for positioning.