[CPEX] Hakumen Gameplay Discussion

[Koopa_Klawz]

Doesn't the grab not come out if we only catch a projectile?

[mjting001]

Disgusting pointless nerfs.

[BlackYakuzu94]

WHAT!? You make 4C godlike, but not special cancellable? What the shit.

 

 

I'm  mad now.

[BlackYakuzu94]

Here's some hakumen footage you may not have seen

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KBpOI7-ZRxQ

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tfHj4F01oZI

 

So Just so I'm not going crazy, does 5D seem a bit faster than anyone else?

[Raziul]

I can't tell if it's because I'm watching a vid or what, but it looks like several of Hakumen's regular moves look faster to me.

[entnervt]

From reading the changes I feel sad but I'm curious how hard all the nerfs hit Hakumen compared to the few buffs he got.

[mjting001]

his damage with zantetsu is waaay stronger now. but the opportunities in landing seem harder, as well as the starters that he lost suck as well

[WolfCrimson]

Apparently Renka(1) kishuu > 6C DOES connect, the stagger state lasts long enough.

Also all is not lost with 4C, it can be followed up with gurren on CH, which I believe we'll be getting a lot of.

[Soviet Bear]

I think the devs are telling us that we should learn to cut projectiles.

[Raziul]

Apparently Renka(1) kishuu > 6C DOES connect, the stagger state lasts long enough.

Also all is not lost with 4C, it can be followed up with gurren on CH, which I believe we'll be getting a lot of.

 

Unless 6C has a new gatling or special cancel besides Shippuu, it doesn't look like we can do much with it. Perhaps we'll see things like Renka(1) CH > Partial charge 6C in the corner.

[Moblin]

Renka sweeping their legs out from under them made way more sense than staggering...  Looks like Hakumen is just kicking people in the shins now

 

 

 

 

 

edit:  

 

It might be worth it to just let the second kick in Renka fly now, do an IAD combo to the corner, where we can actually do meter-efficient damage à la Extend.

 

I see 2 good confirms from Renka midscreen, but they either use (2) or (4)

 

No 3 star combos like renka (1) kishuu, loop like CP1.

 

(2) starter --> Renka --> IAD combo

 

or

 

(4) Starter --> Renka --> CT --> Whatevs,

 

might be 5a > 6b, might be staircase.

[mAc Chaos]

what about cs1 style renka > enma combos

[.ShotS]

I think at the end of the day, Renka IAD or Enma combos will be the way to go. The way they decided to change him already sounds like he's more of a "kill you in the corner" character. It's going to be a little difficult getting your stars and keeping them for a kill but he still seems quite strong atm. His damage alone is making people scared.

[Moblin]

@Mac:

 

I would predict, since both take 4 stars to start:

 

Renka(1) > Enma

 

will do much less damage than 

 

Renka(1) >CT simply because of CT's amazing p2.  But either way, 2 stars or 4 stars, get them in corner and hopefully get a j.C > Hotaru link somewhere.

 

 

And with 5 or more, Zantetsu's bonus Proration will let us blow up anyone midscreen with starter > Gurren/Renka(1) > Zan.

 

@.ShotS:  Good analysis.  

 

He'll still be a heavy mistake-punishing character rather than a read-based, or mixup based character.  I would love him to be more read based, but I'm still looking forward to messing around with him when the patch hits.  Which, doesn't even have a US release date does it?

[.ShotS]

If what I think is true, you seriously cannot get CH by any air normal when Haku has 4.5+ stars. Any CH into Hotaru -> j.C wall stick route is going to do at least 5k. I look forward to seeing how disgusting his corner damage becomes off things like this since Zan(1) Kishuu 6{C} is just massive damage.

 

EDIT: just saw j.D recovery...it doesn't fucking exist.

[Moblin]

Really?  No more dropping down into whatever move they choose for a free Fatal...  Do you have a link?

[.ShotS]

Really?  No more dropping down into whatever move they choose for a free Fatal...  Do you have a link?

Recovery is still there but it looks a lot less than before. It's in the 2 youtube links in a previous post above.

[Schneider-X]

This was an interesting CH 3C combo film did here.

 

http://youtu.be/MP4JomQFCXM?list=UUrGNVruyuifBK_GeeWN2Rgw

 

And two other matches.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_9z8NXzaTWM&list=UUrGNVruyuifBK_GeeWN2Rgw

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ha9vyNbd9GA&list=UUrGNVruyuifBK_GeeWN2Rgw

[mAc Chaos]

So at the very least we can get 3C CH into 3k with 1 star.

 

Maybe you could do 5C Zan after landing after the IAD to go for bigger damage.

[Raziul]

Jeez, 7k OD combo off a non CH 2B

[mAc Chaos]

In that match against Tager, Hakumen was using 2C as his grounded punish instead of 3C.

[.ShotS]

CH 3C 2B Gurren IAD j.B j,2A 5C 5C Zan 6A 6B ~4200 midscreen.

 

Seems like the j.2A change is going to make for some interesting options off a few things.

[BlackYakuzu94]

J.B also looks to do a lot more untech time now considering I've seen it followed up with 5C after landing, was that possible in 1.1?

[The_undercover_beret]

Jeez, 7k OD combo off a non CH 2B

 

It was already possible to deal 7k damage of a 2B in CP1.1 without a counter hit, but with longer combos. It's worth pointing out that the combo Film did only does 6.1k damage in CP1.1 (with a level 2 Shippu, 5.7k with a level 1). So it should be possible to go even higher with Zantetsu's bonus proration.

 

Edit: I had forgotten to take into account the 2C at the end of Film's combos, sorry.

J.B also looks to do a lot more untech time now considering I've seen it followed up with 5C after landing, was that possible in 1.1?

 

Yes, it was, but only close to the ground or with a CH.

 

Also hi everyone, I have been lurking on this forum since CT, please no hazing.

[chzchan]

Wait, so did they give Zan bonus proration like it used to have? Anyone know what the values are?