Nini Heart Posted April 13, 2011 Posted April 13, 2011 You can do more than 1 4D~A without the dash too, I do it all the time. That depends on the starter also. I know for a fact that bloody fangs>5C>3C>214D~C(2)>5C>2C>4D~A>4D~D will not work outside of the corner if you don't do a dashing 5C. What I meant to say was dashing in lets you use chains more times.
WaitWhat? Posted April 13, 2011 Posted April 13, 2011 That depends on the starter also. I know for a fact that bloody fangs>5C>3C>214D~C(2)>5C>2C>4D~A>4D~D will not work outside of the corner if you don't do a dashing 5C. What I meant to say was dashing in lets you use chains more times. So why is the dash labeled as mandatory in the combo guide if it only makes use of one chain?
Eclipse Posted April 13, 2011 Posted April 13, 2011 It's not mandatory in a lot of cases. Just necessary depending on the distance your opponent is after 214D~C. You can even get multiple chains without the dash. It's recommended to learn and polish your skills, not required.
Azreal Posted April 16, 2011 Posted April 16, 2011 After I 236236B, and then dash forward and enter into the 214D~ at what point do I hit C to pick them up? When they are halfway down the screen? 3/4 down? I can't get it when any degree of consistency.
ZhePrime Posted April 16, 2011 Posted April 16, 2011 After I 236236B, and then dash forward and enter into the 214D~ at what point do I hit C to pick them up? When they are halfway down the screen? 3/4 down? I can't get it when any degree of consistency. Earlier than you think, but it mostly comes down to practice, practice, practice. Start with fat characters like Tager and get the timing down on him, then work your way down.
Azreal Posted April 16, 2011 Posted April 16, 2011 I'm asking because a few short words could save me hours of practice. Even knowing what half of the screen to hit C on would help a lot.
Justice7541 Posted April 17, 2011 Posted April 17, 2011 Just mash C once you see their full sprite and you should be okay. The timing is pretty lenient so long as you're not trying to do it lol online.
Zidane Posted April 17, 2011 Author Posted April 17, 2011 (edited) I'm not at home so Icant give solid advice on it but If you're not willing to put hours into training mode for a char, why are you playing this game? I mean maybe you're really busy but if that's the case you should probably check out easier chars. EDIT: Because this subject bothers me Ive said in the past that if anyone has a problem they can PM me and I'll do my best to answer it. Besides being late on a few people I've answered every single one of them. Maybe you and others didn't know or thought you don't wanna bother me. That's nice but I don't care and anyone can PM me about any question, I don't care how small. But I keep seeing these posts on this forum asking the most basic shit. And I know some of you are new and basic shit is not basic to you and I respect that. Everyone has been there, even me. I'm mod here now so you guys obviously know I've gotten past that. Know how? Training mode. I've spent days in training mode for CS1. Maybe weeks. I've spent about a day of my time for CS2. And you know what? None of what I spent is close enough to what I should be spending if I cared about BB. I assume dustloop posters do or else I don't know why people post here. You guys have match vids, tutorial vids, combo videos, a combo list from me for cs1 and 2. I dont know where thr majority of you live or your scene of lack of scene but You guys have all the tools necessary to be good in the game with the character you honestly just have to use them. I'll even give advice on training mode If you guys notice you can't do something, watch a vid ad see if you could figure it out from that. Try to do it enough times until you feel that it's not your fault and the method just doesn't work. Then try the inputs a completely different way. Slow it down or speed it up. And keep trying until you get it to work or yu know it won't then move on again. I'm not shitting on anyone here. I'm trying to help and seeing some of these posts just makes me sad. Edited April 17, 2011 by Zidane
Guymam Posted April 17, 2011 Posted April 17, 2011 A beautiful and eloquent pep talk You know, you may troll everything and everyone, but this is one of the most deep and thoughtful things I've ever seen you post. Respect up.
Azreal Posted April 17, 2011 Posted April 17, 2011 After I 236236B, and then dash forward and enter into the 214D~ at what point do I hit C to pick them up? When they are halfway down the screen? 3/4 down? I can't get it when any degree of consistency. ... I'm asking because a few short words could save me hours of practice. Even knowing what half of the screen to hit C on would help a lot. If you're not willing to put hours into training mode for a char, why are you playing this game? I mean maybe you're really busy but if that's the case you should probably check out easier chars. I realize this isn't directed specifically at me, and the way I quoted it changes the context. However, Zidane, I'm asking this because after hours of training mode I'm no closer then when I started. Blazblue was my first fighting game, and when I started playing, after 10 hours of training I still couldn't do something simple like 3C 214D. Then someone told me to treat 3C 214D as one motion on the joystick, 3124 and suddenly I could do it. That's the kind of simple advice I'm looking for, something that's intuitive to the members of dustloop, who have already played hundreds if not thousands of hours, but not obvious at all to me. A short phrase would save me hours of training, which could be weeks in terms of my free time. Even knowing what half of the screen the falling opponent needs to be when I hit C would help a lot. Maybe even 10 hours!
ZhePrime Posted April 17, 2011 Posted April 17, 2011 Even knowing what half of the screen the falling opponent needs to be when I hit C would help a lot. Maybe even 10 hours! There is no real trick to it... but this is what I do/did: 1. *236236B hits* 2. I either steer left or right (depending on the spacing) and keep an eye on Hazama's little icon at the bottom, when it moves I know I can input 214D (and that's when I do it). 3. As soon as Hazama has finished saying "Sate" (Jap VA) I press C, that way the Lv2 (charged version) of 214D~C should come out and you should hit even characters like Carl (I never miss the Lv2 214D~C input against Carl doing it this way). Note at point 3: Hazama doesn't always say "Sate" during his 214D (against say Ragna he giggles), so it's not fool proof, but might help you along. Said "trick" also works to let you know when Lv2 of 214D is charged, which might help you during some combos. But as I said, it all boils down to practice and learning the timing, there is no real solid trick.
Nini Heart Posted April 17, 2011 Posted April 17, 2011 Azreal, do you dash after 236236B? That helped me out a lot when I was struggling to hit with the stance follow up.
Justice7541 Posted April 17, 2011 Posted April 17, 2011 You know, it's nice that Zidane is willing to answer PMs privately, but maybe he wants to get responses from Dustloop as a whole? Even if it's basic shit everyone's gotta start somewhere.
Azreal Posted April 21, 2011 Posted April 21, 2011 (edited) ... 2. I either steer left or right and keep an eye on Hazama's little icon at the bottom, when it moves I know I can input 214D (and that's when I do it). 3. As soon as Hazama has finished saying "Sate" (Jap VA) I press C ... Thanks, this really helped. After a few hours in training I feel like I'm making some progress. Nini Heart, I don't usually, unless I hit with the tip of 236236B. I found that when I dashed, 214D~C would send them over my head, and I would drop the 5C follow-up. Are you the Makoto that won the Ottawa Gaming monthly? The people I've been playing with (Arukune who came 3rd, Lithci who came 5th) mentioned you were really good. Edited April 22, 2011 by Azreal
Nini Heart Posted April 21, 2011 Posted April 21, 2011 Nini Heart, I don't usually, unless I hit with the tip of 236236B. I found that when I dashed, 214D~C would send them over my head, and I would drop the 5C follow-up. Are you the Makoto that won the Ottawa Gaming monthly? The people I've been playing with (Arukune who came 3rd, Lithci who came 5th) mentioned you were really good. Sometimes, it won't connect unless you dash. Getting the dash is also good for the corner jayoku combos where you have to cross under after the 214D~C. You should try with the dash after jayoku, it works pretty well for me. And yeah that'd be me, though I don't know about being really good lol.
seyu Posted April 21, 2011 Posted April 21, 2011 I need a little tip here, too. When i try to connect 6DA>4DA>7,8DA>grab after a jayoku they usually tech out before the grab. i can land it reliably without the jayoku though. Is there anything special i gotta look out for when doing this? couldnt find anything about this on the last few pages.
Zeron_X25 Posted April 21, 2011 Posted April 21, 2011 I thought 7DA or 8DA only works on Jin and Bang in CS1. Or are you talking about CS2? ... Sorry. Looking back at your post again, I'm not sure what you're talking about.
seyu Posted April 21, 2011 Posted April 21, 2011 (edited) I was talking about CS2 edit: figured it out. if anyone cares: you gotta do a lv2 214D~C to get all hits in. Edited April 21, 2011 by seyu
Zeron_X25 Posted April 22, 2011 Posted April 22, 2011 oh ok. You confused me when you said "grab". lol.
Dusty Posted April 22, 2011 Posted April 22, 2011 I was talking about CS2 edit: figured it out. if anyone cares: you gotta do a lv2 214D~C to get all hits in. Your doing it wrong. Tested it and you dont need lvl2 214D~c connect all the chains. You probably started doing something different to make it connect.
seyu Posted April 22, 2011 Posted April 22, 2011 i did? im trying to be consistent with my inputs. thanks anyway
Guymam Posted April 22, 2011 Posted April 22, 2011 In CS2 raw hotenjin doesn't let you do that combo. Zidane said so himself.
Azreal Posted April 23, 2011 Posted April 23, 2011 CS1: What is the optimal follow up to j5D chain hits? Is it different if it's a counter hit? What about 6D chain hits at the edge of the chain?
CaseOak Posted April 23, 2011 Posted April 23, 2011 I'm getting geared up for CS2 and still planning on maining Hazama. Question: which parts of his game should I put the most effort into honing at the moment, knowing that a lot of it will be overhauled soon?
seyu Posted April 23, 2011 Posted April 23, 2011 (edited) In CS2 raw hotenjin doesn't let you do that combo. Zidane said so himself. i saw that combo in a vid though. im pretty sure it was CS2. let me dig it up. edit: this is it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fznb-6Au6cA at about 8:05 it starts from 6A though. i just started playing hazama a ffew days ago, so if that increases hitstun somehow, i didnt know it sorry. Edited April 23, 2011 by seyu
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