Aquapazza: Aqua+ Dream Match

[FerrellJ]

I still play it a bit, although not online- usually just messing around in training mode.

I really wish more people would pick it up because it's probably one of my favorite fighting games at the moment (right up there with KoF XIII). Hopefully we'll start seeing more AP side tourneys organized at majors...

[otakuhippie]

It would be nice to see this game gain more popularity. It sucks that this game is overlooked by many probably due to the fact it was never released on PSN. I only have one friend local that plays and I am beginning to get tired of playing the same person which is why I was hoping there would be more people online. If you ever feel like having some casual matches feel free to friend me.

[Tigre]

There are people who would play it (we have a four in philly), it's got nothing to do with it not being on PSN, the netplay is unplayable. If you ever want to get some offline matches in, check the philly thread to see when we gather. I'll also be running a tournament for AP at Winter Brawl on Sunday.

[ehuangsan]

People play it a lot in NorCal, but not online, apparently. We hold events for it every month.

This game is great. It's full of lulz like Xmen vs. Street Fighter, only without the infinites.

I haven't had this much fun playing a fighting game since GGXX first came out.

I don't own the game, but literally everytime I've touched Aquapazza so far I have said out loud, "WHAT A GREAT GAME!"

[otakuhippie]

I was hoping after the patch the online would be better but I never played against anyone online in my area so I have no way to compare. Winter Brawl sounds tempting, but I am moving at the end of February and I am not sure it is in my budget. Plus I have never competed in a major tournament. Only ever played tournaments at cons so I'm not sure what, if any, competition I would bring. Though I am really tempted to make an appearance as a spectator at the very least.

[FerrellJ]

..., the netplay is unplayable.

I live in central Arizona and played someone in northern California and the lag was hardly noticeable. Definitely playable over shorter distances, assuming someone's not on 56k.

Winter Brawl sounds tempting, but I am moving at the end of February and I am not sure it is in my budget. Plus I have never competed in a major tournament. Only ever played tournaments at cons so I'm not sure what, if any, competition I would bring. Though I am really tempted to make an appearance as a spectator at the very least.

I probably wouldn't make the trip just for Aquapazza but if there are other games you like to play, it would be good to go. I've regretted not attending tournaments in my area before just because I didn't feel I was "good enough".

[ehuangsan]

This game is awesome to mess around with.

The characters have different levels of guard meter before guard crush. Sasara is the best, followed by Haku/Karlau, then everybody else is tied except for Morgan, then Morgan is the worst. Multi however, gets increased guard meter after a guard crush, which is very interesting.

[Tone]

It's also worth noting that certain normals will and will not crush guard. Haven't really messed around with that much, but maybe the guard value changes after 50% health when guts kicks in?

[ehuangsan]

Light pokes do not contribute to guard crush. Everything else does.

Guard meter does not change after 50% health or after guard crush, except for Multi, who seems to get a guard meter buff after each guard crush.

[ehuangsan]

Reading through the storyline made me literally feel dumber.

The netplay is also godawful, though I don't think I played anyone in the US.

Still a great game to mess around with though.

Edited February 27, 2013 by ehuangsan

[SonOfHeaven]

I've been playing this game quite a bit recently. One of my favorite fighters atm. Sad to hear that the online is horrible. If anyone ever wants to try out online anyways, hit me up.

[Elochai]

Is there a YouTube channel with high-level AquaPazza gameplay floating around anywhere?

[tataki]

Is there a YouTube channel with high-level AquaPazza gameplay floating around anywhere?

http://www.youtube.com/user/kouhatsu

[Kaori Manabe]

it has been decided

all norcal players have to take mandatory aquapazza lessons

[ehuangsan]

NorCal is now the land of mandatory CvS2 and water pizza.

[ehuangsan]

Since apparently only Nor-Cal plays this game in the US, I'm wondering if we should have "Aquapazza BS of the day" during the Dogfight sessions to showcase the game to everyone else.

The game is a literal treasure trove of lulz, and every character has practical BS.

BTW, for the people in the East Coast, Chizuru is the best character yes, but she isn't really that broken and has lots of rather exploitable weaknesses. She even has bad matchups.

[Nuclear Cheese]

Since apparently only Nor-Cal plays this game in the US, I'm wondering if we should have "Aquapazza BS of the day" during the Dogfight sessions to showcase the game to everyone else.

The game is a literal treasure trove of lulz, and every character has practical BS.

There is a small interest in AquaPazza over here in New England, and I heard they even had a tourny for it at a recent major (I may be remembering wrong though, since I wasn't there). But it seems overall the game didn't catch on with many people around here.

BTW, for the people in the East Coast, Chizuru is the best character yes, but she isn't really that broken and has lots of rather exploitable weaknesses. She even has bad matchups.

As a Chizuru player myself, I'm interested in knowing about this. Got somewhere to point me to for details? Aside from understanding my character better, it'll also help me try to convince others that they can, in fact, beat me facerolling with her.

[ehuangsan]

I read the jbbs and 2ch Japanese forums for the game, and most of the diagrams posted have her 5.5-4.5 or 6-4 at best against the cast, although Manaka and Riannon could arguably be 6.5-3.5.

But even if you try playing Chizuru for like, an hour or two against people who know what they're doing, you'll notice a lot of problems that can't easily be corrected:

- Her jump-ins, while strong against opponents on the ground, are horrible air to air. Most of the cast beats her air to air.

- Her AAs are pretty bad. 5B is okay, but a lot of characters can beat or trade with it. Jumping A is better, but you kinda have to pre-emptively guess with it, like if you were Rolento in Alpha 3. DP is rarely a good option.

- 66C looks good at first glance, but it's actually not all that good as a raw abare unless you're in high emotion. Raw 66C without an assist to cover you is just asking for trouble.

Her main bad matchups are Konomi and Karlau, who really exploit those weaknesses rather well (although it's like, 4-6 or 4.5-5.5). 5B is not a reliable AA against either character, they both slaughter her air to air, and can shove her into low emotion very quickly off the initative. Karlau is particularly bad, since her air throw hurts and is like the answer to all of Chizuru's air game, including 66C.

That being said, she's even against Tamaki and 5.5+ against everyone else, so she's still the best in the game. Just not really by that much.

I do agree that Manaka players have a right to complain about Chizuru. That matchup is pretty lol.

[FerrellJ]

Doesn't Sasara also do pretty well against Chizuru? When the game first came out, Chizuru was basically free wins (online, I imagine it's still that way), but I would have thought people would have gotten much better at stuffing her by now- I admittedly didn't put as much time in with her as I did other characters but it seemed like all of the things that made people consider her OP were all unsafe as hell. That's part of why I didn't end up trying to main her. I have pretty horrible reactions though, so it's maybe not for me to say that she's easily punishable- I just have to assume it based on the numbers and the assumption that people have learned to block her overheads/slides on reaction.

Since apparently only Nor-Cal plays this game in the US, I'm wondering if we should have "Aquapazza BS of the day" during the Dogfight sessions to showcase the game to everyone else.

The game is a literal treasure trove of lulz, and every character has practical BS.

I'd love to see this. I find that Aquapazza is actually pretty good about keeping some of the more irritating fighting game BS in check but that just makes finding what is there more satisfying.

Also, I'm hoping the game can make a bit of a resurgence since the price drop on play-asia. I know of at least one person that's bought it because of that.

[ehuangsan]

I think Sasara does all right, but I don't think she wins. The 2ch and jbbs consensus think it's 5.5-4.5 Chizuru, which I agree with. Maybe even or 5.5-4.5 in favor of Chizuru.

I think it also depends on the Chizuru assist. Chizuru/Rina is probably worse off, but Chizuru/Satsuki gives Sasara fits as everything becomes unsafe.

I admittedly didn't put as much time in with her as I did other characters but it seemed like all of the things that made people consider her OP were all unsafe as hell. That's part of why I didn't end up trying to main her. I have pretty horrible reactions though, so it's maybe not for me to say that she's easily punishable- I just have to assume it based on the numbers and the assumption that people have learned to block her overheads/slides on reaction.

This is true; most of her offense, especially 66C, is unsafe. Which is why I personally don't think Chizuru/Rina is really that top-tier, unless the person using it is very good at the one-shot-kill kind of playstyle.

OTOH, I think Chizuru/Satsuki is pretty braindead, even though that team also has some noticable problems:

I'd love to see this. I find that Aquapazza is actually pretty good about keeping some of the more irritating fighting game BS in check but that just makes finding what is there more satisfying.

Then we shall do this :D

The game kinda reminds me of GGXX, where everyone had something really stupid. Unlike GGXX, somehow it all works out to be okay in Aquapazza. I don't think there are any matchups worse than 3.5-6.5, unless you purposely choose an assist combo to place yourself into an 8-2/9-1 situation, like say Sasara/Yuki versus Tamaki/anyone.

[haketh]

One of these I'll remeber to follow that flow chart in tournament instead of just casuals.

[JOHNCENALOVER77]

Seeing the flowchart with Chizuru/Satsuki did make me wonder about some of the partner characters. Who are regarded as the best and worst partners? I know it depends on the character and what kind of playstyle you have or what you want to accomplish. I just didn't know if there was any sort of agreement on this. I'm gonna take a wild guess here and post what I think.

Good: Ma-Ryan, Rina, Satsuki

Pretty Good: Yu, Yuma

Okay: Serika, Camyu, Mizuki, Rathty, Llyr

Weak?: Octavia, Yuki, Ulthury

This was just a an attempt. I was just curious to see what everyone thought.

[Kaori Manabe]

there is no way ulthury should be low

Ulthury is really good

its how you make tamaki and morgan good characters as an example

the mixup you get from the lightning is retarded considering its guaranteed to come out after the initial animation, if you hit buttons or some stupid shit you'll just get hit into a combo. considering this is aquapazza getting knocked down means the game is over

rina is way too high

you sacrifice a lot just to go into a mode, where you can't GC into anything useful or have a much better neutral game

ma-ryan is god tier

on the note that satsuki doesn't make any combination instantly god tier is that it guzzles meter like no other

if you're chizuru i dont think you ever have to care about your meter but for some other people it can matter.

llyr is also great

llyr + chizuru is better than satsuki + chizuru

the ice assists gurantees she takes the hit for you, off an knockdown you just can do shit

i think that most of the assists just float around in the same area while octavia is by herself in garbage tier with maryan being top

just faceroll all day

also why you guys ban characters

didn't broken tier make a shirt about this? http://puu.sh/2G58W.jpg

Edited April 24, 2013 by Kaori Manabe

[ehuangsan]

Ulthury is very good with certain characters. Tamaki/Ulthury is S tier idiocy, Arawan/Ulthury means you could die in like, two hits.

Overall, I think it really depends on the character combination, because for example, Yuki would be barely playable garbage overall, but somehow she works out very well with Riannon and iffily with Sasara and Chizuru. I also think Rina is pretty bad, but she works very well with Karlau and okay with Chizuru or Touka, and iffily with Sasara.

The only clear ranks are Ma-Ryan is god tier, Satsuki is right below Ma-Ryan somewhere in S or A+ tier because she is almost never a wrong choice, and Octavia is unplayable garbage and is almost like losing at the select screen. My additional thoughts would be Rathy is playable but perpetual mediocrity no matter who you choose, and the rest are meh to S tier idiocy depending on the character combination, and have at least one paring that works out very well.

EDIT: Yeah, I also think Chizuru/Llyr is the best team in the game, and I'm transitioning from Satsuki to Llyr. That team is pretty stupid, but somewhat awkward to use.

Satsuki does cause you to guzzle lots of meter, but she makes anyone playable IMO.

Edited April 24, 2013 by ehuangsan

[FerrellJ]

People always forget about Boss Ma-Ryan.