REVELATIONS 2011 - $5k CS2, $1k AH3 pot! June 10-12th, LAX! CS1, GGAC side tourney!

[huey253]

watch the PNW channel for more footage of 5A to 5k!

oh man i hope mike z goes.

[Yuushiro]

I might rent a car while I am there

[FunkyP]

I find this whole thing rather questionable, the opinion on SRK seems to differ than that of DL's. Now I understand that the BBVlog is totally not involved in the potential shitstorm that about to happen so no ill intentions towards Rin or them.

[nothingxs]

A lot of people don't know what's going down, but suffice it to say: there was already a major tournament announced on these dates in Florida that grants an Evo seed. ReveLAtions went ahead with their tournament anyway.

DISCLAIMER: THIS HAS NOTHING REALISTICALLY TO DO WITH "RinHara5aki" OTHER THAN HE'S THE PERSON ADVERTISING THIS FOR TOURNAMENT LEGACY. MY "BEEF" (IF YOU WANT TO CALL IT THAT) IS WITH TOURNAMENT LEGACY ALONE. NOT LEVEL|UP, NOT "RinHara5aki", BUT TOURNAMENT LEGACY.

I will copy/paste what I posted into the thread on SRK for you all to peruse.

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This being said it IS NOT and has NEVER BEEN our policy to "flame" another TO or tourney to win the favor of the community. We send nothing but positive energy to our Florida counterparts and wish them only success.

"Meanwhile, we will continue on with our large pot tournament scheduled on the same date, forcing players from other parts of the country that were seriously considering traveling to Florida to now also seriously consider our tournament because of the prize pot, thereby directly interfering with the success of our 'counterparts' in Florida.

We realize that this sounds shady as hell, and we (do not) apologize."

Here's a PM I got on the subject from someone who shall remain nameless:

i heard this shit was coming weeks ago and i'm still surprised the dumbasses actually did it

way to fucking go, takin' a massive dump on an evo-series event with 10x pot bullshit same day, it's like you not only don't know what the fuck is going on but you also don't care

they tellin' me they can wrangle how many thousands of dollars from sponsors for their tourney, and they can't fucking do a search -- or even talk to someone -- and find out if anyone else has something scheduled for the same days? do they want me to think they stupid or something

Translation: you've gone and pissed off a large amount of the community for absolutely no reason.

GOOD SHIT GUYS :tup:

EDIT: Holy shit, so I post that and now I've got more PMs in my mailbox from people who want to remain anonymous but would like to speak up.

Just in case you didn't know...

Tournament Legacy formerly known as ACTiveGamerS (John Nelson; same person) is calling the shots. From what I hear sponsors are not pleased with him at all. The community isn't pleased with him much either. How do you say you're for the community when you're not even in it? Going to Wednesday Night fights to get in good with the people you did wrong does not fix it.

SoCal Regionals was good because of Level|Up. Their connections made it happen.

I really don't know what to say about this recent turn of events though. This is the same guy that kicked gootecks out of an event because gootecks wouldn't apologize to him about something trivial. gootecks, love him or hate him... has done MORE without trying for this community than TL has ever done/will do.

If anyone from the community has any sort of mind or reasoning... Please see things for what it's worth. CEO the event that helped the community after another debacle (GAMME) last year, VS tried and true organizers that try to buy our love? To use us to pitch to sponsors for their pockets at the end of the day... Who do you choose?

That's why EVO succeeds and why corporate shit fails in our community.

GOOD SHIT GUYS :tup: :tup:

EDIT 2 HIT COMBO: I just got off the phone with someone who has some insight on the situation. Apparently TL is banking off of E3 attendance to stick around to stay for the tournament. While they may or may not have the money already for the pot, a lot of their planning may be centered on the E3 date and proximity to try and piggyback off of E3 to create success for their own tournament. The big pot is just honey in the pot to attract all the flies that weren't sure where they were going to go in the first place.

GOOD SHIT GUYS :tup: :tup: :tup:

EDIT 3 HIT COMBO: Someone just brought up this interesting point... SCR was rescheduled into South Florida Challenge by Tournament Legacy last year... As a result, we lost a lot of potential attendance from outside players.

Now the same shit is happening to another Florida tournament. The fuck?

GOOD SHIT GUYS :tup: :tup: :tup: :tup:

Why should CEO change the date? Alex got his shit together first, MONTHS ahead of this tournament.

This.

Why does Jebailey have to fix shit that this fool broke? This fool can fix his own shit.

FUCKING MORE AIR COMBO EDITS JESUS: Got some more information. So apparently, from AIM:

anon: they never had the gaurenteed pot's cash in hand during the event

triple threat

john was banking on the entry fees on that one as well

which backs up what that one guy was saying

the thing was for some stupid reason

well SUPPOSEDLY

they had the money in the bank

but the banks were closed that day

so when john crunched the numbers

and realized he didnt have the money

they were SOL

so they did end up pulling most of the money though via ATM withdrawels

but honestly i dont think they will have that much money

supposedly though john was saying "its all in the bag after he finishes up with the sponsors"

nothingxs: any specific bias against florida or something?

anon: he has always wanted to do this specific tournament

i can honestly say that they really dont have anything against fl tournaments

etc etc

john is just really bad with the keeping up with the community thing

GOOD SHIT GUYS :tup: :tup: :tup: :tup: :tup:

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Shady? Yes indeed!

Edited February 1, 2011 by nothingxs

[natearistata]

Tourneys overlapping is stupid and if it was intentional then that's stupid too, but you're a dumbass for trying to shit on Rin like he was the one who planned the entire thing.

[nothingxs]

Tourneys overlapping is stupid and if it was intentional then that's stupid too, but you're a dumbass for trying to shit on Rin like he was the one who planned the entire thing.

I am not shitting on Rin, I am shitting on TL. Get your facts right.

[FunkyP]

Tourneys overlapping is stupid and if it was intentional then that's stupid too, but you're a dumbass for trying to shit on Rin like he was the one who planned the entire thing.

whatevs... some ppl jdk

Edited February 1, 2011 by FunkyP

[Dacidbro]

We don't really need to add any more flames to this fire. Lets let it be what it is and when people in charge talk, questions can be answered.

[nothingxs]

And your a dumbass to think Rin is responsible for this tournament or has anything to do with this mess

Nah, drop that shit please. He just thought I was attacking Rin here. I'm not. Rin is a (rather unfortunate) bystander in this whole mess. I've made it clear in my post now that I am not trying to call Rin out or anything. As far as I know that guy could be the coolest person on the planet (he's probably pretty fucking cool, actually, but I wouldn't know because I am honestly not an active member of the BB community).

[CopperDabbit]

Y'know I read all of this on srk as it was happening and frankly, I don't understand.

So now that there are 2 tournaments on the same day, you have 2 options:

1) Go to Revelations

2) Go to CEO 2011.

If you choose to go to Revelations you have a chance of winning up to and including $20,000. This also means that there is no chance of getting seeded at Evo. You will have to play more matches of a game you profess to like in the first place. The horror.

If you choose to go to CEO 2011, you have a chance of winning a smaller prize and a seed spot at Evo. This means that at Evo, you will be playing a game that you profess to like less. The horror.

Competition is a healthy thing and if we have tournaments that are fighting for our attention, it's totally a win for the players/community. The organizers fighting means we get better prizes, more incentive, more people, more hype. Now, I understand that this particular argument would NOT hold true, were we talking about a major event deliberately shutting down/picking on a smaller event. This is not the case in this particular instance.

It seems from my perspective, and please correct me if I'm wrong, that your real concern is that you want your cake and to be able to eat it too. That is, you want to be able to vie for an Evo Seed spot and $20,000 without having to make a choice between the two.

So, quick re-cap: Competition is healthy, and life can throw some hard choices at you sometimes.

Welcome to life outside of the internet.

[nothingxs]

I guess you didn't read the whole post.

[Dacidbro]

Triple threat was certainly a horror, but it's not the same crew, if I recall correctly. SCR was a resounding success, I don't understand why the capabilities of paying should be doubted NOW; if anything, should have been doubted at SCR.

But, to be fair, I am generally uneducated in this regard. I will let the organizers speak for themselves.

[Spirit Juice]

The whole situation is a mess, really. It's still unclear if TL scheduled this before or after CEO's announcement of dates (unless I missed or forgot something), but I guess that doesn't really matter at this point. The fact that TL is formerly ActiveGamers pretty much brings new light on the matter. I'm sure a lot of people in the FGC remember how god awful Triple Threat was, and the fact that Revelations is run by the same people is very concerning.

Remember when Triple Threat promised cash payouts the day of the finals? Remember how that turned out? The organizers didn't actually have enough money to pay people. Why was that? Who knows since there is no facts/evidence backing up why besides rumors, but either way it does not make TL look good.

I pray this event is a success and nothing stupid happens (i.e. a repeat of Triple Threat), or it's probably safe to say Tournament Legacy is going on the blacklist for tournament organizers.

[TaoFTW]

You guys should listen to nothingxs unless you want to get trolled at the day of the tournament. UNACTive Gamers were notorious for doing everything you don't do in a tournament. The only difference now is that they have competent people running advertisements and brackets.

tl;dr

- Support EVO by going to CEO

- Support TL by going to Revelation

That's all there is to it.

Edit: PhaethonH, I believe now is a good time to post your wall of text.

Edit2: Rin is a hardworking and chill individual who doesn't deserve crap that's ruining his reputation and the same goes to Level|Up. Just put TL on blast.

Edited February 1, 2011 by TaoFTW

[CopperDabbit]

nothingxs, I did read your post in it's entirety and my post went to what I concerned to be the most valid points in your argument. Please don't take that the wrong, I'm not trying to be insulting, just accurate. I was there are triple threat and I remember how crappy it was.

I was there at SCR and remember how much fun it was and how smoothly everything went (except the start time).

They showed at SCR they have a better handle on what's going on and that they can do same day pay outs (I got one). I honestly didn't think I needed to state the obvious.

[Spirit Juice]

Well, Level Up and Alex Valle had a big hand in SCR, so that may be the reason why SCR was so successful. I'm not saying that TL may not have changed their ways in how they run tournaments, but the fact that Level Up is not part of Revelations doesn't help the matter.

[Coopa]

I'm just sad that LevelUp will have to take a hit from this ill-timed planning. And the funny thing is Alex Valle HELPED with Socal Regionals and he's been a guy working for the community for years. I don't see this conflict with CEO as pre-mediated at all, at least on his or LevelUp's part. Rather, this is an organizational issue.

Fuck, I wonder if SCR could even have been possible without Alex Valle and LevelUp. Alex Valle got you Aksys's connection, not TL. I talked to him about it myself when I was in the backroom. LevelUp got you the stream, too, and that was incredible.

It's unfortunate that Rin got thrown into this. In the end, he just wanted publicity, and nothing's wrong with that. He's not the mastermind of the TO's, but shit, man.

I just hope the most ideal situation can be reached because I really don't see why longstanding members of the fighting game community would try to mess with an Evo-seeded tournament.

After all, it would only take away attendees from Revelations, and that would hurt LevelUp in the process.

Edited February 1, 2011 by Coopa

[nothingxs]

Alex Valle is pretty much the shit and he is a huge reason why SCR was so successful. I am pretty sure he will be involved with TL too, no doubt.

[Sophisticat]

From what I'm reading here, sounds like this tourney's a scam from the get-go. Shit like this is to be expected as FGs get bigger. I had my doubts the moment the pot was announced. $5000? Yeah, too good to be true and that's what scams are.

If I were you guy's shoes, I'd back out without a second glance. Don't even give it a chance. I almost got scammed myself two years ago and it does stuff to you. Don't trust, drop everything, cut your losses. Just back the fuck out because you might lose more than what you already invested.

Support CEO instead. That seems legit. Always support the legit stuff.

[natearistata]

Does CEO even have BB? I can't find a thread on shoryuken

[TaoFTW]

Does CEO even have BB? I can't find a thread on shoryuken

IIRC BBCS was in their lineup and a hefty pot.

[Dacidbro]

From what I'm reading here, sounds like this tourney's a scam from the get-go. Shit like this is to be expected as FGs get bigger. I had my doubts the moment the pot was announced. $5000? Yeah, too good to be true and that's what scams are.

If I were you guy's shoes, I'd back out without a second glance. Don't even give it a chance. I almost got scammed myself two years ago and it does stuff to you. Don't trust, drop everything, cut your losses. Just back the fuck out because you might lose more than what you already invested.

Support CEO instead. That seems legit. Always support the legit stuff.

If you react to "big pot is a scam", there will never be a big pot. We can just wait for more details instead of knee-jerk bailing.

[nothingxs]

Yes.

www.ceogaming.org

[CopperDabbit]

I'm going to bold parts of this for those of you who skip lots of text.

First off, I do feel that many of you have some valid points about Active Gamers. They were a shit group that ran a horrible tournament that pissed many, many people off. Myself included. Let's break this down to be clear as to why Triple Threat sucked balls:

1) Started very VERY late. As one who did not pre-reg, I was standing outside for 4-5 hours.

2) People that did register were handed an iPhone and asked to prove that they had registered by logging into their paypal account.

3) A tournament (SF2:HDR) never happened, but still collected entry fees.

4) Winners of various events were paid several hours after their event ended.

5) Winners of various events had to volunteer to not get paid so others would.

Please feel free to add in a helpful format if you feel there was another concern that I missed. This next portion is what Active Gamers did in response to the above:

1 & 2) Picked their assholes.

3) Eventually (yes, the key word here), refunded the entry fees.

4) See #1.

5) Eventually (again, the key word here), mailed out checks to all of the winners and everyone got all of the money promised.

So why do I bother to post this? Nothing they did after the fact made up for a horribly run tournament. Fuck these guys. All they need to do is run one bad tournament, (eventually) keep their promises and they are never allowed to run another. Ever.

Those looking down on this tournament solely for the reason that the group running it once fucked up horribly, are crucifying them and any future actions of theirs.

Remember that one time you played really poorly? Couldn't land a combo, got hit by everything and were getting madder and madder at yourself? You suck and should stop playing all fighting games forever because you fucked up that one time. You should never be given another chance.

Ok, so my example isn't 100% accurate, but I still think I have a valid argument here. In this day and age when a major is a rare thing to begin with, why should we ostracize a group trying to put together something that we all want? Because they picked a bad day for it? Oh, and as stated in TL_Staff's original post on SRK, they already have the blessing of the CEO crew.

I say that 1 doesn't make a pattern.

I say that SCR was run well, and I got paid on time with no shenanigans at all.

I say that they have earned a 2nd a chance.

And that's it. That's my entire argument. So, with nothing left to do now I'm going to keep planning on going to Revelations come this June.

Oh, and I do support Evo. I have ever since my trip in 2007. I'm going to continue supporting them, like I always have: by going to Evo.

[Stunner]

I'm going to Revelations for three reasons:

1) It's convenient. I ain't flying to FL.

2) I ain't top player so I wouldn't want to waste my time with EVO.

3) $5k guaranteed for BB