White Man Posted May 6, 2014 Posted May 6, 2014 Gordeau, Waldstein and Merkava sit in top 3 while everybody else is more or less mid. Gordeau is apparently brain dead easy though. Damn, he was the character I was most interested in picking up. Hmm... Maybe I can sub someone who's ass tier and still retain my family's honor...
TheArm05 Posted May 6, 2014 Posted May 6, 2014 Damn, he was the character I was most interested in picking up. Hmm... Maybe I can sub someone who's ass tier and still retain my family's honor... This makes me so sad that people think like this. You should be rejoicing you have a good character. Play him and crush people then laugh when they call you a tier whore (because you aren't). Whenever I see a character I would have picked anyway AND they are top tier I start partying. Fighting games are competitive and having a top tier just gives you an advantage from the start. In the end it is about making the other guy eat dirt not honor.
SoWL Posted May 6, 2014 Posted May 6, 2014 The game is only as difficult as your opponent is strong. If you're winning, it's probably not because your character is good, but because your opponent is bad. I'm not going to pick a different character only because both Wald and Merkava are at the top, just like I didn't pick a different character in BB just because CS Tager and CP Bullet are at the bottom.
Keo-bas Posted May 6, 2014 Posted May 6, 2014 This makes me so sad that people think like this. You should be rejoicing you have a good character. Play him and crush people then laugh when they call you a tier whore (because you aren't). Whenever I see a character I would have picked anyway AND they are top tier I start partying. Fighting games are competitive and having a top tier just gives you an advantage from the start. In the end it is about making the other guy eat dirt not honor. I have to agree i use to be low tier whore. ( still is) but I'll be damn if drop character due to them being good. Wanted to play Gordue since his reveal and still plan to play him. (though still will pocket low tier character just for kicks)
wenzel Posted May 6, 2014 Posted May 6, 2014 Any know if UNIEL still getting low numbers in to the Arcade Scene?
kazukifafner Posted May 6, 2014 Posted May 6, 2014 I like to learn a low-tier (or mid-tier) character on the side in this situation. Main Gordeau, but then learn other characters to switch to and make them feel dumb for complaining about Gordeau when they continue to lose. Granted, considering that this game is only getting a Japanese release so far, we probably won't have that issue in the community a lot (as was said earlier in this thread). Well i made an ass of my self. Disregard my post. Even I wast fully sure if my character comparison was right (glade to know better now). But as for Hilda needed to pressure still doesn't seem right. Not say hilda should never pressure but don't seem like her core gameplay. If it is than than has some glaring holes that can be exploited it seems. Hilda's normals make her a fantastic mid-range zoning character, but that zoning is pressure in its own way. It's like with Lambda or Mu or any other character in a fast-paced fighting game. Your zoning game becomes equal parts keep away and pressure. That said, because all of Hilda's normals are like that, she's even more of a zoning/pressure blend then usual. Hell, she's not even a horrible oki character once she gets a combo in. Knockdown, then pin them with Ball o' Swords, jump in for pretty ambiguous high/low mixup.
Skyheartxia Posted May 6, 2014 Posted May 6, 2014 Any know if UNIEL still getting low numbers in to the Arcade Scene? of the ~independent anime fighting games that aren't ASW~ its strong. 3.5k active players is pretty good. Probably the only one more than it is Dengeki atm.
wenzel Posted May 6, 2014 Posted May 6, 2014 of the ~independent anime fighting games that aren't ASW~ its strong. 3.5k active players is pretty good. Probably the only one more than it is Dengeki atm. Thats sounds pretty good! where did you get those numbers? just for curiosity.
Antiquarian Posted May 6, 2014 Posted May 6, 2014 Did anyone record / upload the Transcendental Orchestra tournament? If so could someone link once it's up? Thanks! :3
Surf Posted May 6, 2014 Posted May 6, 2014 This makes me so sad that people think like this. You should be rejoicing you have a good character. Play him and crush people then laugh when they call you a tier whore (because you aren't). Whenever I see a character I would have picked anyway AND they are top tier I start partying. Fighting games are competitive and having a top tier just gives you an advantage from the start. In the end it is about making the other guy eat dirt not honor. I see fighting games as something to improve at and have fun. Winning is secondary. But I guess there are also alot of people whose primary objective is to win. Because for them winning = having fun. Which isn't wrong, different strokes i guess But unfortunately for me it seems many if not all the characters I end up liking in fighters are on the lower end of the tiers, so I have to work a lot harder in many cases (Highest tier character I ever played was Mitsuru, but even then I dropped her for Labrys). But imo a person with a lower tier character has more room to improve than a player than someone who always chooses the higher tiers.
Skyheartxia Posted May 6, 2014 Posted May 6, 2014 Thats sounds pretty good! where did you get those numbers? just for curiosity. the leaderboards for UNiEL just using an all search. its a rough average.
Dogars Posted May 6, 2014 Posted May 6, 2014 So hype for the console release. Gonna be rockin' Vatista, Waldestein, and Nanase for sure!
TheArm05 Posted May 6, 2014 Posted May 6, 2014 I see fighting games as something to improve at and have fun. Winning is secondary. But I guess there are also alot of people whose primary objective is to win. Because for them winning = having fun. Which isn't wrong, different strokes i guess But unfortunately for me it seems many if not all the characters I end up liking in fighters are on the lower end of the tiers, so I have to work a lot harder in many cases (Highest tier character I ever played was Mitsuru, but even then I dropped her for Labrys). But imo a person with a lower tier character has more room to improve than a player than someone who always chooses the higher tiers. I wasn't saying always pick a top tier. I never once said "Don't pick a low tier character". I said that if the character you like the most ends up being top 3 you should be rejoicing not going "Damn I need to pick another character to not be a tier whore". Having fun is absolutely the primary goal. However I can confidently say as a Liz player who traveled all over the country in P4U1 that getting dumped on by mediocre (Mits/Chie) players who then proceed to get bodied by other people who you beat/go even with is NOT FUN. I knew she was shit yet I kept grinding away in training mode and casuals to try to overcome matchups and tiers. It didn't happen. Two things need to be established about low tier characters. 1. You forfeit all right to complain about your character being shit 2. You have to be realistic about your odds in a tournament. Also I strongly disagree with low tier character players having more room to improve than someone playing a high tier one. High tier characters have more options or higher rewards. More options to explore = greater chance to improve yourself as a player.
Stellarcircle5 Posted May 6, 2014 Posted May 6, 2014 Also I strongly disagree with low tier character players having more room to improve than someone playing a high tier one. High tier characters have more options or higher rewards. More options to explore = greater chance to improve yourself as a player. I agree 100% with this. To put in in perspective. In Blazblue, think about Terumi and Rachel for example. Terumi needs to learn how to open someone up and then do damage. Rachel needs to learn how to manage wind for multiple purposes including zoning, mixup, and hitconfirms. The thing is for most games, the best characters often have the steepest learning curve which in turn means more depth of gameplay. UNIB might be an exception with Gordeau, but for the most part, the worse your character is, the less you can pull of in the long run.
kazukifafner Posted May 6, 2014 Posted May 6, 2014 If you're focus is on improving yourself as a player; then your best bet isn't to worry about top-tier or low-tier, but instead worry about your comfort zone. A game's top-tier certainly can be those that just have a lot of options; but in general, they are top tier because they best work within the system. Sometimes they have a lot of potential options and tools (which obviously correlates with this), but the reason they're good is usually that they just work so well in the game's system. That's why Tager has a hard time climbing out of the bottom half of the tier-list. His design just doesn't mesh well with BB as a whole. And, naturally, you can learn different things by either putting yourself in advantage with and at a disadvantage with the system. But the best way to improve fast is to do things you aren't comfortable with. Have you been playing rushdown characters the entire time? Pick a keepaway character. Used to characters that swap between offensive and defensive states almost exclusively? Pick up a character that revolves around their neutral/footsie game. Things like that are what will help you improve, not just routinely sticking to one end of the tier list.
BoltofShadow Posted May 6, 2014 Posted May 6, 2014 Is it me, or does Carmine seem to be getting ignored from a lot of people in the US? I haven't seen that many seem interested in him. Makes me sad.
D.R.F. Posted May 6, 2014 Posted May 6, 2014 Is it me, or does Carmine seem to be getting ignored from a lot of people in the US? I haven't seen that many seem interested in him. Makes me sad. I have a group of people wanting to play him. I think he'll be okay
D.R.F. Posted May 6, 2014 Posted May 6, 2014 Is it me, or does Carmine seem to be getting ignored from a lot of people in the US? I haven't seen that many seem interested in him. Makes me sad. I have a group of people wanting to play him. I think he'll be okay
TekkamanArk Posted May 6, 2014 Posted May 6, 2014 Is it me, or does Carmine seem to be getting ignored from a lot of people in the US? I haven't seen that many seem interested in him. Makes me sad. I may want to play Merkava more, but Carmine is my #2. Equally excited for him.
Surf Posted May 6, 2014 Posted May 6, 2014 I wasn't saying always pick a top tier. I never once said "Don't pick a low tier character". I said that if the character you like the most ends up being top 3 you should be rejoicing not going "Damn I need to pick another character to not be a tier whore". Having fun is absolutely the primary goal. However I can confidently say as a Liz player who traveled all over the country in P4U1 that getting dumped on by mediocre (Mits/Chie) players who then proceed to get bodied by other people who you beat/go even with is NOT FUN. I knew she was shit yet I kept grinding away in training mode and casuals to try to overcome matchups and tiers. It didn't happen. Two things need to be established about low tier characters. 1. You forfeit all right to complain about your character being shit 2. You have to be realistic about your odds in a tournament. Also I strongly disagree with low tier character players having more room to improve than someone playing a high tier one. High tier characters have more options or higher rewards. More options to explore = greater chance to improve yourself as a player. What I meant in the final part is that when the average person is playing a higher tier character they tend to stick on what makes the character high tier in the first place and don't explore much else about them. You mentioned losing to mediocre Chie's at tourneys. In U1 the main thing about Chie was her D vortex. You learned how to enter it, the several choices your given while the opponent is blocking it, and the most optimal confirm if you happened to open them up and how to transition back into it the vortex. Many people aren't willing to explore the character outside of their very strong options. They stick on doing what makes x character so strong. You said it yourself, you grinded training mode and casuals to bring out the most of Liz's potential because she had such a hard time. You wanted to become better and win despite the tiers and matchups. Higher tier characters may have more options but why should a player seek options D, E, F when A, B, C are already so strong. Lower tier characters will usually have less options but the player will be more determined to find more and bring out the potential in themselves and in their character. It's how I see it all anyway.
D.R.F. Posted May 6, 2014 Posted May 6, 2014 ^ makes a lot of sense. When narukami and chief had D okizeme, there was very little reason to try and use other less conventional methods, like D zio, or standard stagger pressure because they were so obsolete compared to 5D. Which is why its hilarious to me when people say narukami and chief dont have oki in p4a2. They just dont have 5D anymore, thats all
Akujikan Posted May 6, 2014 Posted May 6, 2014 On the subject of tiers, I say play who you like since you are having fun. That said, if who you like happens to be dreadful, maybe dabble in a character you like slightly less but is also stronger for the sake of giving yourself options. I played Testament and Sol since XX, and Testament was never super great until he suddenly got super beefy in AC, but I always played Testament more than I did Sol. I even swapped out Sol for HOS in Slash because I liked the charge system (because Slash HOS was such a strong character!). Honestly, I'm not crazy about any of the top 3 in UNIEL. As a former Testament main, I have a hard time saying no to a scythe user, but Testament and Gordeau aren't exactly parallels. Maybe I'll try him out and will be pleasantly surprised. Your character's tier shouldn't bother you much unless you have really great ambitions for competing in the game; and even then his/her tier should only bother you as much as you let it. On a note unrelated to tiers, I realized I've been using Linne's theme "Night Walker" as my ringtone for close to a year now and should probably get that changed before I have access to the game on the regular.
TAI-X Posted May 7, 2014 Posted May 7, 2014 Is it me, or does Carmine seem to be getting ignored from a lot of people in the US? I haven't seen that many seem interested in him. Makes me sad. I have to admit that I'm kind of turned off from Carmine myself, because some of his specials consume health. Same reason I couldn't handle ABA in GG. I am probably going to try and use Akatsuki. His combos seem more intuitive and common-sense than the rest of the cast, and I'm a huge fan of Blitzkampf. There is still one more new character for the PS3 version to be revealed, though. I'm expecting it to be the already hinted at Skullgirls guest character.
NecroTheReaper Posted May 7, 2014 Posted May 7, 2014 I might pick up Carmine, but I havnt watched enough videos to know what the characters play like (and honestly, even if I did, I can only tell what I like if I play it myself). Honestly ABA is the only GG character for me so when she wasnt announced for xrd. Can someone give me a quick descriptipn (one word is even fine) to describe the playstyles of the cast?
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