Montreal: Le Thread Generale Pour Weeaboo Fighters

[Bibiquadium]

What is BlazBlue, isn't this a SF related forum?

[Sophisticat]

Just sayin' that we shouldn't be beholden to other tourneys happening for us to have a legit tourney. Nemesis, MAT 8, etc., c'mon.

If what we've seen at Otakuthon is any indication, there's an audience for BB in MTL. We just need to reach out somehow, and we'll have us a tourney that's animu-only. None of that Crapcom shitte.

We just need confidence, belief, and GUTS! Bring the inner Bang out because MTL needs to represent!

[K2]

bring that inner bang mtl

[kirbster]

GGs today everyone. Thanks to Brice for dat darktraining. Good shit to Kaeru and Pedro for putting me back in my place lol. Also, really nice to play you again Nini.

Also, fuck Evo. Hype level down 200%

[Leo7]

You should show up at evo anyways and meet west coast.

[Bibiquadium]

We should finance our own tourney and show people what BB truly is. A tourney where GG BB KoFXIII and such would be the featured games.

[Brice]

gg's to everyone tonight shit was hype :D

about nemesis: i don't know if we'll have enough people for BB to make a tournament, but i'll definetely have my ps3 there with csex if only for the exposure.....

as a tournament for the anime only we should get in touch with the KOF scene in mtl (if there is one) and start thinking about making our own tourney like people are saying could be fun XD

lastly, no BB at EVO makes me a fucking sad panda. i mean wtf.... they put 2 goddamn games that are not even out yet, 2 dead games and a decent one.... i mean come on, CSEX is arguably the best iteration of BB period and what they say is F U. i'm mad and biased but fuck you SRK. there salt gone. time to just ignore SC5 and SFxT like i was originally planning to do.

[pochp]

I'm thinking we should really run our own "major" at foonzo around march break. It would be really sweet if we could get people from Toronto and maybe even the states to come out, so we'd have to plan the date well. I'm thinking either the March 3rd weekend or the March 10th one, because 17th is LANETS.

GGs tonight, and not really sad about evo, it wasn't going to happen. Lol like I said in the mu boards, "Oh well at least a side tournament, like other games such as super turbo and guilty gear... wait does this mean BB can be considered a good game now?"

[BladeOfJustice7]

I've been avoiding posting over the last couple of days because frankly I've been irritated with the SFxBB relationship in the last few months. However I didn't want to create bad blood or put anyone on blast, especially with all the work Pedro and Brice for encouraging MTL exposure in the U.S and Nini running small tournaments. However, with everyone sounding off on their opinion, I'm just gonna go ahead and release my thoughts after all these responses.

Is Kirbster beasting with stick yet?

He's not ass but better on pad still. To be fair, I think he picked up playing on stick the fastest within the city. It just so happens that his main is tricky. If he say, mained ragna, he would already be fine.

lol blade with that procrastination. Here I'll give you a reason why it's going to be CSEX. I'm not entering if it's CS2. Also, BB isn't mentioned in the Nemesis SRK thread.

If you mean with regards to how long it took me to voice my opinion, read the above, if you mean why I didn't start writing this earlier today, it's because I didn't want any distractions interrupting me.

Why SHOULDN'T it be CSEX? Most of the community here has it, from what I heard meetups lately have been CSEX oriented lately. People that are playing CSEX now won't enter a CS2 tournament (unless they were maining makoto or something).

There's no reason not to run CSEX at this point.

I'll be getting to this point in a little bit.

Yeah, let's run CSEX. I don't even play that game, and I say CSEX. No reason to stick to shitty CS2 by now.

... If it's happening. What's going on with the Nemesis situation? I think we're just big enough ourselves now that we can run our own tourney. F Nemesis, it's time to instate Blazin' Love! (Or any form of better name ya'll can come up with)

What if not everyone in the community who wants to take part in Nemesis has access to CSEX?

whats the point of running along with nemesis if it isnt even an official game?

you and I both know that not a single person there who went for UMVC3/2012 will actually join BB as a side.

Might as well run your own tourney where it'll be less crowded and more comfortable

I whole heartedly agree with pui on this.

Yeah he said what I wanted to basically.

You don't to run on their schedule for tournies. Do it when you can and have more room for yourselves too!

I support what Omar is saying.

I'm with Toronto dudes on this.

Also, if I had known that BB would have been at Nemesis like, even a month earlier, I would've been so there. As it is now, it's just too soon.

The dilemna of awesome-girl is not just limited to her by running a tournament for nemesis at the last minute. Which I'll touch on later as well.

The point of having "anime" games at majors is not to get more entrants but mainly for exposure. The scene won't grow if we don't try to put ourselves out there, and what better way to do this than at majors with tons of FG players? Also you never know who plays what, I know some of the guys coming from ottawa for MvC3 will probably enter BB.

This holds truth as well.

Over my past 10yrs of gaming life

ppl only leave anime fighting for sf marvel, and not the other way around

major with anime tournament, o look sf and marvel so hype, time to quit anime fighting and use DAT XFACTORRR

This is very much true, I remember the demographics of Nemesis last year, it was people who came for SF4 and I couldn't think of anyone except for nerdjosh (who "doesn't even play this game"), I can't think of one person who came from out of town to take part in sf4 and bb tournies. Let a lone an unofficially unannounced side tourney for some less popular anime fighter.

i'm not saying don't ever doa tourney wtih them, but don't rush yourselves into an uncomfortable position this time, clearly its a bit rushed don't ya think?

This situation we're in looks more like what Omar said rather than a blssing as it was last year.

BREAK FROM THE CAPCOM PROLETARIAT, CITIZEN!

It is time to flourish, to grow as a people!

We are MTL! We do not submit, we do not give in!

If we are to take the crown, we must take center stage!

Induce a continuum shift! Tear up the impossible, and break down preconceptions!

Forget Nemesis! We are the brigade of Love and Peace! BLAZING TAMASHI!

BELIEVE IN THE MTL THAT BELIEVES IN YOU!

WHO THE HELL DO YOU THINK WE ARE?!

GUREEEEEEEEEEEN MTLLLLLLLLLLLLLL!!

Uhhh, sure...?

Bang got on you or something?

No, kaeru did.

Just sayin' that we shouldn't be beholden to other tourneys happening for us to have a legit tourney. Nemesis, MAT 8, etc., c'mon.

If what we've seen at Otakuthon is any indication, there's an audience for BB in MTL. We just need to reach out somehow, and we'll have us a tourney that's animu-only. None of that Crapcom shitte.

We just need confidence, belief, and GUTS! Bring the inner Bang out because MTL needs to represent!

I like where you're going with this Nolan.

bring that inner bang kaeru mtl

Fix'd

Voicing my thoughts over the last few months;

Yes yes, bash me all for not coming to meetups for X and Y reason, and hate on me for it. I really honestly don't care, nor will I ever, it's not like I didn't contribute anything to the community and it means a lot to me, and so do you guys as a crew. I actually consider you guys friends. I feel Pedro and Brice have done an excellent job with the community as I haven't really been able to do much to advance/expand the community, their optimism and rive have ultimately pushed the community to hold and place in outer city tournies making Montreal now legitimate in the "air dasher" community. Which is amazing and I couldn't thank them enough for something that I was unable to do for whatever reason. I also want to thank K.B and Lvl5 for their job helping run local tournies no matter how small they were and recording the matches, thanks to you guys i get to keep my voice lol. So overall the community and much stronger, with more members, and more core members with a greater outreach in the air-dasher community. No one would've thought this would happen in under 3 years, ask Nolan/Gilbert/Steven when we started this.

SFxBB;

This time last year, we started to develop a very strong relationship between witht eh sf/capcom community here in Montreal, and even indirectly with the Tekken community. It finally seemed that all would unite, with no more divisions among us, as we had at Foonzo; SSF4, BBCS1, TEKKEN (don't know the number lol), and some extra games from ArcSys and Capcom under one roof at Foonzo. Things were looking good, we had mtlsf members join dustloop for the first time and show interest in blazblue and vice versa with the srk forums and the mtlbb community. This relationship would get stronger with Montreal's inclusion of the new EVO season, with our city showing we have strong communities that supported almost if not every contemporary FG. We had officially joined MAT8 where Mtl proved themselves to be a contender instead of getting blown up by T.O as we did at T11. We also had our biggest tournament entry count ever since we started running tournaments in Fall of 2010. To me, it felt like the SFxBB relationship in mtl was growing strong. However, with Nemesis this year, there was no formal announcement that Blazblue and any ArcSys games wouldn't be included in Nemesis' venue. Instead we learned from this in almost a third-party manner. To me this was quite insulting instead of the community to be formally consulted or informed of this decision we were disregarded about the information. This action felt as if we had been discarded from MTLSF's plans for the future now that we helped them (And most likely continue to help them) run MAT8 so that it could be part of EVO-Season. This left us with an imposition of running a tournament at the last minute in what would be a completely crowded venue with minimal interest in the game that we are running. Yes, running a tournament in theory give our games more exposure. But those of you who helped me run tournaments and reflect back on the entry count on how many people who entered the blazblue tournaments that didn't specifically come to participate in a tournament for the game. I do not recall any, if anything being informed in advance of our inclusion as a side tournament is what gave us more entries as people were well informed in advance so that can make the preparations to come to montreal. In all honesty, I cannon seeing running a tournament in a crowded venue for a game that was unannounced will help out the community or the game in any way.

To conclude, it is not my decision to make in any way. It is you guys who should determine whether or not a tournament should be run or not under these circumstances, because to me it looks like the community is picking up the crumbs of whatever MTLSF leaves us at this point. I support the decision either way.

To CSEX or to not CSEX that is the Question;

Since the community has been around, whenever we run tournaments be it small local ones or majors, we always take into count account how many people have access to that given build of the game or characters (dlc issues). In our first tournaments, if I remember correctly we had banned Valkenhayn all the way till we ran a Mtl mashfest in february since xbl had not released the valkenhayn dlc till early December while psn had him for at least 2 weeks prior that. Following that we had placed a ban on Platinum since MAT8 was coming around and we had the psn-crisis which prevented people from accessing platinum, while xbl users had her for at least one extra week. As we can see, we always accommodated the community for the most part if unforeseen circumstances come about, typically dlc delay. We decided to run cs2 at MAT8 because it had been discussed prior that if cs2 was released before a certain date for both consoles we would cs2 for MAT8, which it did, it gave us all at least 2 weeks to get used to the cs2 build. Now with regards to Nemesis, there seems to be an urge to run CSEX, while a good portion of the community has access to the game some don't. Since they ordered the game from Japan because ps3 games aren't region locked typically allowing for the importation of games. The problem with this is that some did not have the funds to afford CSEX import, and others are simply unable to buy CSEX because they do not have a ps3. To me I don't see the sense in entering a tournament for a game that others have had way more access to than myself, whether or not your main is "top-tier" or not, whether or not you go to meetups regularly. At the end of the day, those who don't own the game cannot enter training mode to test the new changes to their main, or how they stack up to old matchups now. The essence of putting money in and registering for a tournament is because we feel in your head at least that you have just as much of an equal chance of winning in that said tournament whether you regularly place in tournaments or not. You believe this because you have had the same access to the game as everybody else. Running CSEX goes against that idea completely since I am competing against people who have had much longer access to the game than myself. I cannot say that I would put money in and participate in a tournament I've already been handicapped in by the time the match starts. Yes cs2, isn't "as cool" as csex, but you're already running a unannounced side tournament which is doubtful to get any extra attendees let a lone a game most people do not have the access to. I cannot support this idea, if there is that much of an urge to run a csex tournament then we don't not need to do it before others have access to the game at a crowded venue at our inconvenience. Why not run a tournament on our own, we can easily take advantage of the publicity from those who allow us to run tournaments at otakuython, could we not. As stated above, why must the blazblue community must run last second tournaments at our complete inconvenience. Why not instead run a tournament that is more convenient for us when csex has been released everywhere and on a date and time where we have access to a proper venue instead of some small corner in a Capcom-saturated venue?

These are my thoughts over the last few days/weeks. Dissect, bash, or agree with me. Not that it matters, whatever decision is taken I will support it and make sure it takes place to the best of my ability.

EDIT: With regards to the post about kof, this is the best I could find: http://dreamcancel.com/forum/index.php?topic=1797.msg42111#new

Edited January 4, 2012 by BladeOfJustice7

[kirbster]

Nobody hates on you because you don't come to meetups, it's just your loss because we're having a blast all the time. In fact all of us would love to see you show up more, it's always hype when you do.

And I guarantee you that most of MTL will not participate in a CS2 tourney at this point. I know I won't.

[unsanctifier]

blade i don't think anybody has any actual disdain towards you bro

they just taunt you to get you to come out =P

[Linear04]

stay team nah

[pochp]

Well blade I think you're just looking at the situations wrong. About Nemesis, I'm going to let Brice say what he has to say because he talked to cranky and know what's up, but I think it's more of a "hey guys didn't think we would but we actually have room for you, do you guys want in? sure why not." Anyways, personally I don't really like it because it's too late for any out of towners to come, so it's just gonna be "us" and I don't know how many of "us" feel like paying 10$ additional venue fees when we can just come the next day to play the same people.

So I don't really think that CSEX vs CS2 at nemesis is that big of a deal because we probably won't even run a tournament, however, I do want to bring up the subject of banning stuff and going back in time with versions. My personal belief is that it's almost always a bad idea. Every time we did so or would have done so the result was or would have been bad. Want an example? When we banned Platinum at MAT because she'd only been released a week prior on PSN, nerdjosh couldn't enter the tournament, way to give ourselves exposure. If we had run CS2 at MAT it would have been really sad. If some Valk player had joined our scene we probably would have stopped banning him at our monthly tournaments even if he was way too strong, I mean did we ban Makoto? So yeah, no bans and always go forward with the versions. We have been playing CSX at all the meetups since we've had it and I really don't think anyone who has been playing it would like to put money to play in a tournament of a previous version. It doesn't matter if it's accessible to everyone or not, it's accessible at meetups. Just look at toronto, no one has the game but the community still plays it and are having a CSX tournament this weekend and I really don't think even one of them has considered the possibility of running CS2 instead of CSEX (well obv because gety doesn't have CS2 but even if that wasn't the case my point probably still stands).

But yes we will definitely run our own tournament at foonzo. Wait a sec, I think we can even add a "II" at the end because yeah we did run one last year around the same time of year, you know, the one that Halifax and LK were at. Don't forget that.

Oh yeah and blade, we're just kinda tsun. We miss you. I don't even know how to fight hakumen anymore. (we miss you too nolan)

[BladeOfJustice7]

Fuck typing that took too long, anyways valid points. But my main issue of "doing us" still stands. And wow, no one plays kof in mtl. Looks like we'll need to "make a community" for this game. The greatest knowledge base of kof I have is my friend who plays viper and shahied

[BladeOfJustice7]

Lol you don't need to know how to play against hakumen. Hakumen only mains Spark anyways.

EDIT: You make valid points, but mtl and t.o isn't exactly the same. But you say holds truth, I feel if we were to run a ex tourney it should be a month after ex's N.A release.

[pochp]

I feel if we were to run a ex tourney it should be a month after ex's N.A release.

See that's the thing. Everyone is on that extend. No one is going back. A month is just way too conservative, iirc MAT was about 3 weeks after CS2's release and there were no big issues, and personally I'd enter a CSEX tournament tomorrow if there was one. But yeah, THE extend tournament tournament we'll run will be at least 2-3 weeks after the planned NA release.

We should think of a name for that tournament by the way. Since last year's was "Montreal Monthly Mashfests, Easter Edition : LK vs Montreal" or something like that we could find something similar..? Not only to make it easier to refer to it, but also as an effort to help make sure it actually ends up happening.

[BladeOfJustice7]

But yeah, THE extend tournament tournament we'll run will be at least 2-3 weeks after the planned NA release.

Agreed, I won`t lie. Ex hakumen feels cheap, I miss that feeling.

We should think of a name for that tournament by the way. Since last year's was "Montreal Monthly Mashfests, Easter Edition : LK vs Montreal" or something like that we could find something similar..? Not only to make it easier to refer to it, but also as an effort to help make sure it actually ends up happening.

Do you want to run dainisen (probably misspelt the word) in addition to monthlies again like the good ol' days before Jon ruined our lives?

Speak of learning the devil:

[pochp]

Yeah sure, I'm thinking we could do something like every first Thursday of the month is a monthly singles tournament, every third one could could be random 2v2 teams, and every other thursday and sunday we could run a danisen station.

I get a good excuse for procrastinating because I would really like it if we could have recording equipment again that we could use for the tournaments. Foonzo owners said that probably half way through January they should have something set up, because they hope they'll be able to have it up for Nemesis (but it might be later), anyways they'd be able to record or stream from any of their evo monitor setups, I think. I'll need to talk to them about it again eventually, because I forgot to ask if live commentary would be possible with their setup, but anyways, we had also found a cheap way of recording/streaming with that uses some of our current equipment, so we'll have to discuss this. So it might be a good idea to make a thread on sankishin specifically dedicated to this recording thing, so we don't flood the thread, I'll make it now so check it if you want info concerning that.

So yeah tournaments we'll wait for recording equipment, but we'll still run a Danisen for now.

edit: recording equipment topic made, please go post if you have something to say http://www.sankishin.com/board/viewtopic.php?p=323#p323

Edited January 4, 2012 by pochp

[kr3wman]

Speak of learning the devil:

El chocolate diablo!!!!!

[kaeru]

After reading what Buraido and Sophis wrote, and taking into account Omar and Lythium wouldve loved coming to MTL but cannot because of lack of notice, I definitely agree that this time we should just not have a tournament at Nemesis and instead hold our own major when BBCSX is available for NA. This will give everyone time to get comfortable with the game, and give everyone from out of town time to plan and come to our wonderful city ! Nothing stops us from having local tournaments and events in the meanwhile to make up for this shortcoming, for those who would've rather have something sooner. The truth is, the attendees will not be any different for any event we run sooner then February.

You can fight to win money, fight to prove yourself, fight to get adrenaline, fight to get better, but our FITE has always been about bringing everyone's spirits together into a super crash collision ! Meeting people from Toronto was a blast, having Halifax come to MTL was such an honor, having players from the states here will be such a pleasant surprise. I would like to emphasize more on the people then the game.

[Bibiquadium]

But yeah, there's no doubt we can organize a nice BB/Anime fighters tourney organized by us, we'd just have to talk about it and set it all up and it would be a blast, who knows, it could be a yearly major and attire people from all over America.

[Zeero]

the whole "exposure" thing at tourneys never work

in theory its all nice and sounds logical, but it actually doesn't work lol.

you want exposure? let me expose what "exposure" means for BB at a sf tourney

"oh its BB"

"lawl these guys"

"lol dumb blob character killing the guy in 1 combo, what a dumb game" <------ as if this isn't the case in umvc3, infact, you kill 2 lol.

they won't even bother coming over to look at the game really, BBs been around long enough to get "exposure". People has tried and given up, people who hasnt picked it up by now will never pick it up. Call me a bitter old man but being in fighting game community for 10+ years has taught me better. I actually give capcom games a try and end up joining 1 or 2 tournaments before I quit these boring games (for mahvel, i still join for lulz). but it never goes the other way around, I have never seen a single capcom player in any of our animu tourneys for over 10 years, and i do not expect life to change.

Capcom FGs getting easier and BB getting more complicated doesn't help the situation either.

[BladeOfJustice7]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oAlztMvvNkk&feature=related

EDIT:

Capcom FGs getting easier and BB getting more complicated doesn't help the situation either.

This is very much true, I've even had people bluntly state this to me, which before they said they hate fighters because of 20 second combos. Then they bought mvc3/umvc3, and forgot what blazblue was.

You're not bitter bro, and the stigma behind the game doesn't help with characters like platinum being in it. But then again to push the envelop you have characters like "rocket racoon" and arthur (no I don't hate on them, they just look silly is all)

Edited January 4, 2012 by BladeOfJustice7

[Zeero]

someone told me they cant even dash/airdash properly in BB and returned it.

clearly BB A+B should be dash, and not FD

at the end of the day, its just branding, umvc3 has a lot of "airdashers" elements in it and people who "hates airdashers" still play and love that game.

in fact, me having to call games "airdashers" is already a silly sign. I swear kof is considered an "airdasher" even though nobody actually airdashes.

airdasher = another word for "lesser played games"

[mAc Chaos]

The only people I usually see ENTER the BB scene are people who never played real fighters before and have BB as their first fighter. For everyone one of them there's ten who don't like it because FGs are too hard though.