Montreal: Le Thread Generale Pour Weeaboo Fighters

[pochp]

Fair enough. Where shall we meet?

Meet up with them in Mascouche, you'll leave your car there and then you guys will come to my place, or something like that.

[Roldy]

Tager does not have an advantage over Carl, it's 5:5.

While it's true that Tager has a harder time dealing with a sandwich situation, that's only if he's dumb enough to let Carl in.

[Bibiquadium]

A bit late but we are streaming at www.twitch.tv/bibiquadium lol

[DerQ]

Found your BB version of a zoning scumbag chip damaging main I see?

Oh hell yeah, I just hope he doesn't progress to gradually become too strong. With each passing day we find out about new cheap ideas with this guy.

[kirbster]

lol t drôle derq. Ton perso doit être pas trop joué, pas trop facile, pas trop fort, pas trop conventionnel...

Esti joue Rachel

[Bibiquadium]

As long as Makoto is a bad matchup is all that matters.

[DerQ]

lol t drôle derq. Ton perso doit être pas trop joué, pas trop facile, pas trop fort, pas trop conventionnel...

Esti joue Rachel

I know I'm picky :P. But it's not just the idea of my character at this point, if something looks overpowered, people will get pissed at the game and not have fun (to some extent). That statement was purely about the fact that I don't wish for this game to have a retarded sense of balance on it's first iteration and since I only follow my character, I get to see HIS progression.

Every other statement I'll make about the character will be me being picky though and you're free to call me out on it.

edit: Also, I played rachel before and would probably kept going but dropped her because another player makes her shine in MTL

Edited November 28, 2012 by DerQ

[Rhannmah]

lol t drôle derq. Ton perso doit être pas trop joué, pas trop facile, pas trop fort, pas trop conventionnel...

Esti joue Rachel

hahahaha

[AirMaster]

Yo man. Fuck that "other ppl play this character so I'm not going to" mentality. Find a character you like and stick with him/her.

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[DerQ]

Yo man. Fuck that "other ppl play this character so I'm not going to" mentality. Find a character you like and stick with him/her.

Yeah, but that mentality is what sparks the initial interest in that character. I don't rock underdogs because they're underdogs, but when I look at them, I always find something I like. There's also the fact that they tend to be gimmicky, have their unique mechanic or playstyle (which doesn't quite apply in BB since that's every character in the game ever). The thought process of observing and wondering how said mechanic/gimmick works is just natural to me. It's something straight forward to wrap your head round unlike more abstract notions such as space control (Which is probably why I never learned fundamentals in the first place :3). Variety is also nice for the community. I think it sucks a bit if you don't have a local [insert character name] to play against.

Oh and last but not least, being an attention whore, aiming for underdogs makes me stand out or at least I'm under the impression it does.

Though real talk, amane's just the right kind of funky

[kirbster]

To Heartless (and everyone else for that matter) :

Ryan Hart: And lastly what advice would you give to players who wish to be strong enough to enter a tournament like EVO and do well? How can they be better players?

Infiltration: Often times, a loss will strengthen and benefit the player more than a win, so I would say don't be afraid of losing and keeping competing.

This is so true and I tend to forget that sometimes myself lol.

[BladeOfJustice7]

Yo man. Fuck that "other ppl play this character so I'm not going to" mentality. Find a character you like and stick with him/her.

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Aww shit air with that real talk?!

I still hate you though

I know I'm picky :P. But it's not just the idea of my character at this point, if something looks overpowered, people will get pissed at the game and not have fun (to some extent). That statement was purely about the fact that I don't wish for this game to have a retarded sense of balance on it's first iteration and since I only follow my character, I get to see HIS progression.

Every other statement I'll make about the character will be me being picky though and you're free to call me out on it.

edit: Also, I played rachel before and would probably kept going but dropped her because another player makes her shine in MTL

I kind of hear what you're saying but gonna disagree on some points.

I don't like taking up characters other play. But at the same time whoever I find I stick with them no matter what. That's how you really develop your skills, unless you play mahvel or are a japanese tier whore. It's just that based off your mains in GG P4U Amane looks like he'll suit you. That's why I made that claim, it's important to take someone you're comfortable with as well.

Yeah, but that mentality is what sparks the initial interest in that character. I don't rock underdogs because they're underdogs, but when I look at them, I always find something I like. There's also the fact that they tend to be gimmicky, have their unique mechanic or playstyle (which doesn't quite apply in BB since that's every character in the game ever). The thought process of observing and wondering how said mechanic/gimmick works is just natural to me. It's something straight forward to wrap your head round unlike more abstract notions such as space control (Which is probably why I never learned fundamentals in the first place :3). Variety is also nice for the community. I think it sucks a bit if you don't have a local [insert character name] to play against.

Oh and last but not least, being an attention whore, aiming for underdogs makes me stand out or at least I'm under the impression it does.

Though real talk, amane's just the right kind of funky

I'm honestly glad you're taking up Amane, I know heartless is taking up Bullet. But it still leaves out Azrael, though he looks like someone Nolan/Jimmy Bones would play (if Jimmy stops dodging BB). SO we'll see.

To Heartless (and everyone else for that matter) :

Ryan Hart: And lastly what advice would you give to players who wish to be strong enough to enter a tournament like EVO and do well? How can they be better players?

Infiltration: Often times, a loss will strengthen and benefit the player more than a win, so I would say don't be afraid of losing and keeping competing.

This is so true and I tend to forget that sometimes myself lol.

Where did this reference to heartless come from? And yes this is true, keep in mind that even the best players lose. Even the best players have and do get blown up (occasionally) by tager players as well lol. Loses are part of the path of a 2d warrior. Just keep playing an analyze your loses, winning all the time would be boring anyways. And what's the purpose of a community like this if your fellow members didn't push you to your limits and made you improve?

[Sophisticat]

Losing is awesome. It tells you what not to do against your opponent. Losing tells you more about competition than winning!

Of course it feels real shitty, but it's how you learn... By making mistakes, not doing them again, learning what works and what doesn't, and how to develop a mindset that will allow you to win consistently against even strong opponents.

... But all that takes more effort than I'm willing to put in. :P

[DerQ]

I don't like taking up characters other play. But at the same time whoever I find I stick with them no matter what. That's how you really develop your skills, unless you play mahvel or are a japanese tier whore. It's just that based off your mains in GG P4U Amane looks like he'll suit you. That's why I made that claim, it's important to take someone you're comfortable with as well.

I'm honestly glad you're taking up Amane, I know heartless is taking up Bullet. But it still leaves out Azrael, though he looks like someone Nolan/Jimmy Bones would play (if Jimmy stops dodging BB). SO we'll see.

It's not my main factor for choosing character, but if I find one I like and these elements that also pleases me fit well with the character choice? All the better.

Also, Nolan, Jimmy, Monster King and Air all voiced interest in azrael for the record. We won't have to go to crazy lengths to find a local Az player.

[BladeOfJustice7]

Amazing how initially one of the least interesting characters announced for this game has now become the most popular to play, watch, and learn.

[DeadliestxXx]

bullet by far is the most popular character.

[BladeOfJustice7]

Talking about in the West brian, it's like how yuzuriha was the most popular initially in under night in birth. Big breasts factor>kakowee factor in Japan.

[DerQ]

bullet by far is the most popular character.

Surprisingly enough, the bullet subform is the least active while the amane one is 4 times more active whilst he'll be most likely underplayed at released. Funny how that works.

Amazing how initially one of the least interesting characters announced for this game has now become the most popular to play, watch, and learn.

He looked so generic from the trailers, but his attacks and combos get the crowds pumped up. I'll agree he looks like he puts EVERYTHING in those punches to make them hurt you.

[Heartless]

To Heartless (and everyone else for that matter) :

Ryan Hart: And lastly what advice would you give to players who wish to be strong enough to enter a tournament like EVO and do well? How can they be better players?

Infiltration: Often times, a loss will strengthen and benefit the player more than a win, so I would say don't be afraid of losing and keeping competing.

I understand the fact that losing make's you stronger.

You also have to know why you lost.

That's not always easy to understand and realize.

My problem is not losing, since I'm used to this from playing a bad character.

The problem that I'm having is that, I'm not performing like I'm suppose to.

This creates a lack of confidence and creates doubt about my skill level.

Since I'm a perfectionist, it ticks me off when I fail at doing stuff that I always do on a daily basis.

I was thinking that I should play less online and more offline so I can get used to the setups.

Then maybe I can redeem myself.

[DeadliestxXx]

well I guess thats in Japan cause theres a large number of them not to mention she has multiple combo vids

[mAc Chaos]

I understand the fact that losing make's you stronger.

You also have to know why you lost.

That's not always easy to understand and realize.

My problem is not losing, since I'm used to this from playing a bad character.

The problem that I'm having is that, I'm not performing like I'm suppose to.

This creates a lack of confidence and creates doubt about my skill level.

Since I'm a perfectionist, it ticks me off when I fail at doing stuff that I always do on a daily basis.

I was thinking that I should play less online and more offline so I can get used to the setups.

Then maybe I can redeem myself.

> The problem that I'm having is that, I'm not performing like I'm suppose to.

> performing like I'm suppose to

There's your mistake, having that expectation of how you're "supposed" to play that makes you fall apart.

[BladeOfJustice7]

Surprisingly enough, the bullet subform is the least active while the amane one is 4 times more active whilst he'll be most likely underplayed at released. Funny how that works.

He looked so generic from the trailers, but his attacks and combos get the crowds pumped up. I'll agree he looks like he puts EVERYTHING in those punches to make them hurt you.

He really was the msot generic, now he's the most exciting to watch. And as someone put it in the hype thread: ESP (the best Azrael player) is now an American Hero.

I understand the fact that losing make's you stronger.

You also have to know why you lost.

That's not always easy to understand and realize.

My problem is not losing, since I'm used to this from playing a bad character.

The problem that I'm having is that, I'm not performing like I'm suppose to.

This creates a lack of confidence and creates doubt about my skill level.

Since I'm a perfectionist, it ticks me off when I fail at doing stuff that I always do on a daily basis.

I was thinking that I should play less online and more offline so I can get used to the setups.

Then maybe I can redeem myself.

I don't think anyone here who actively comes to these forums and is active in their local community if not online isn't a perfectionist. We all are and we all have this ideal form of how we perform.

Take myself for instance, I'm conceited as fuck but if you were to ask me, how I good I think I am, I would say "above average". But go and ask kirbster, nolan, or tofu warrior about my skill level they would rate me much higher. And it's the same I'm sure that would apply to them, they don't think they're as good as they really are. It's human condition, you'll never reach how good you want to be. But the idea is to keep pushing yourself to improve. if you don't know what you're doing wrong here's a huge indicator where you're doing things wrong; it's when you get CH. if you're getting CH somewhere in your matches it's where you're playing bad.

People were talking about how in the recent local tourney we ran I would take time between matches, it's because I was reviewing where I got CH and to reevaluate what I was doing to get CH and how to avoid it.

Unfortunately tsubaki is like kryptonite for me lol.

> The problem that I'm having is that, I'm not performing like I'm suppose to.

> performing like I'm suppose to

There's your mistake, having that expectation of how you're "supposed" to play that makes you fall apart.

explain yourself mAcular Chaos.

[Bibiquadium]

The more you try to be perfect the more you'll be deceived.

[DerQ]

I don't think anyone here who actively comes to these forums and is active in their local community if not online isn't a perfectionist. We all are and we all have this ideal form of how we perform.

Take myself for instance, I'm conceited as fuck but if you were to ask me, how I good I think I am, I would say "above average". But go and ask kirbster, nolan, or tofu warrior about my skill level they would rate me much higher. And it's the same I'm sure that would apply to them, they don't think they're as good as they really are. It's human condition, you'll never reach how good you want to be. But the idea is to keep pushing yourself to improve. if you don't know what you're doing wrong here's a huge indicator where you're doing things wrong; it's when you get CH. if you're getting CH somewhere in your matches it's where you're playing bad.

People were talking about how in the recent local tourney we ran I would take time between matches, it's because I was reviewing where I got CH and to reevaluate what I was doing to get CH and how to avoid it.

Unfortunately tsubaki is like kryptonite for me lol.

explain yourself mAcular Chaos.

I think I'll answer that one. If you assume you are of a certain level, you will assume you'll ALWAYS play at that level. If for one evening you are not at this level or over a short period of time, you are forced to be directed back to your assumption of skill level and reconsider it. This step right here is exactly what causes a lack of confidence. If you expect yourself to play on a fictive scale of 1 to 10 and you don't reach your own goal, you feel bad. Loooooaaads of bad. And the worst part is that you still just can't say, "I'll never assume I can reach a certain level again and stay there consistently". For one it's fucking negative and depressive and for two, abandonning the idea of quantifying your skill level is harsh to take in.

We've all been there and it sucks. You don't feel you can improve, you only feel you can go back and forth in your capacity to feel confident.

But the idea is that you should direct your flow of improvement towards aspects. Divide it, aim for particular problems to be solved one by one and develop appropriate solutions to each of them. To make this easy on yourself, quantify short term progress to solve certain issues is the best way to feel improvement bit by bit. Because the more isolated the issues are, the easier it is to improve upon them.

I fell on a video this week on a Dota2 channel dedicated to tutorials. The funny thing is that this video actually serves as a guideline on improving not just at dota, but at everything else in life. It's a really well spent 10 minutes to make you feel motivated and hungry for what you care and love and will also explain a whole bunch of shit to increase your enjoyment regardless of your improvement.

Give a slight example of what the video would incline you to do

"I'm not performing like I'm supposed to and it pisses me off" is an effect, not a problem. To solve a problem, you need to identify the cause, the what. Now you've identified the why. It's hard to develop a course of action to solve a problem when you can't even point what causes the effect. I'm gonna go at random a bit or guess on this.

"I'm dropping combos because I practice online in lag" Could be a cause to this effect. Identifying this leads to multiple more courses of action.

"I'll find the time to grind offline first for about 30 minutes or so before playing against offline opponents" , "I won't mind my first few offline games of the evening to get used to the switch" are potential courses of action to solve the issue.

BTW, that was just an example. I don't know if that might actually be the problem, but if it is, I strike gold :D.

Oh and the video is a great resource. The beginning focuses a lot on aspects of dota2, but about halfway it showcases more vague aspects that can be applied to anything. When he starts talking about benchmarks is the cue IMO

Edited November 29, 2012 by DerQ

[kirbster]

Mac, I think Heartless means purely execution wise since he doesn't drop his setups/combos at home.

The thing to remember though is that being afraid of dropping stuff will actually make you drop it more often than not lol. I think to perform well at Foonzo (and in tournaments in general) you will need an Evo monitor to practice at your house so that there's zero difference in timing adjustments. You also gotta remember that landing a combo or a gimmicky setup in a match is much more difficult than in training mode... Your body is not always ready for the opportunity and you gotta make decisions soooo fast.

But mostly it's your attitude that you're gonna have to work on. After NEC we should play for a few hours straight so you can get back into it