Middle Tennessee Needs Gaming! Monthly Versus Tourneys - Antioch, TN

[Anne]

I'm not behind Suguri, it doesn't need to be a main tournament game here. I honestly don't see why you don't run more games, the tournaments will be small enough to handle. Persona can get similar numbers to KoF or any game not really GG, so look at other fighting games too.

[Volpe-de-Glacio]

Wasn't the whole reason Fenix hardly got any casuals because we're lacking in suguri players anyway? It'd make more sense to run Persona, imported copies of CP, or even Chaos Code.

[Milln]

I'm not behind Suguri, it doesn't need to be a main tournament game here. I honestly don't see why you don't run more games, the tournaments will be small enough to handle. Persona can get similar numbers to KoF or any game not really GG, so look at other fighting games too.

I don't run more games because I hear MTNG has money issues very often, usually from the Cookeville side. If this isn't the case, I'll gladly run more games cause yeah I could definitely fit more into a regular monthly Saturday, provided people are on time arriving.

Depending on bracket size we can fit four or five... Mayyybe six games. If brackets are very small and it's just gonna be round robin everything then we could fit even more. It just depends how many games everyone wants to juggle and participate in.

Wasn't the whole reason Fenix hardly got any casuals because we're lacking in suguri players anyway? It'd make more sense to run Persona, imported copies of CP, or even Chaos Code.

Talking about the monthly in September. CP won't be out then, unfortunately.

[LastStarSaviour]

Where is Persona? Also, there are so many other fighters i've heard people take interest in. Vsav, Melty, and even Chaos Code and some others have all been games that people have been interested in. Why wouldn't we run those over games like Suguri? Just how many people actually play this game? In fact, fuck the numbers, why is running some random bullet-hell that isn't all that great in the first place over fighting games even an issue at a fighting game tournament? I can understand you want to play that game with other people since you don't play anything else, but I really can't see why you have to host that game as a main game in the line-up over a fighter.

You should be able to run more than four or five games no matter how big the brackets for the games are. If you can't, it's because you aren't doing a sufficient job running your tournaments. Especially when we have a surplus of set-ups, and bigger scenes are able to juggle a great number of games while ending them all before our tournaments actually end with less set-ups. Do your job properly, and everyone can be happy. End of story.

[Boom Cube]

star, dude, what the fuck

it's milln

he's the only reason we have tournaments here

logistics aren't that cut and paste

[LastStarSaviour]

He doesn't have to be though. Unless GG is too unreasonable to let anyone other than Milln run tournaments using that particular venue.

I still stand by the fact that there is absolutely no reason why we can't run multiple games unless Milln is inadequate as an organizer.

[Boom Cube]

An inadequate organizer? Dude, he runs 3-4 games on 6 setups and gets it all done in one day. Between arbitrary match times, having to wrangle motherfuckers for matches, managing brackets, and entering the tournaments himself (who can blame him, it's a monthly in Middle Tennessee, I'm sure he'd like to get some tournament time in too), there's a living, breathing fucknado of variables plotting to turn this ONE GUY'S idea of a cool thing into an un-fun crap day for people. Running 5 games in one day because it's theoretically possible is like planning a preschool field trip and expecting all the kids to sit down, shut up, and walk straight for 7 hours.

AND HE KNOWS THAT. Milln's a perfectly good TO, and honestly, I don't think anyone here would be any better without going full villian and DQ'ing dudes from this meager pile of friends and mutual hobbyists on 5 minute timers. I wish he'd ask for help some time, and maybe if he did, we could shoehorn another game in or something, but seriously dude. It's a monthly in MidTN, it's a little thing.

[Anne]

Me and Jackie were talking about the money thing, we had the same thought. If money were an issues maybe doing 15 flat venue and doing a BADC format would work, just balling ideas around. Get more people to try more games and maybe talk and learn things they didn't know before. The only reason I'm not down with Suguri is I cant see it getting competitive. Like it can be there, it's fun, but it doesn't need to be a main game unless we run the cheap format where everything is on an equal level. The only thing you'd be missing is big pots, but monthlies are more about learning and meeting up than anything.

[Milln]

Where is Persona?

This is the only thing you meant to ask, the rest is angry words so i'll reply to this:

It was initially left off because I hear very often that only three people play it competitively nowadays in this group. Like I mentioned in the BADC stream, yesterday, I realized that this is the monthly before KotB2 so it should be the three main games that are featured in the regional. I'll change the OP (which was never updated because everything was tentative) to reflect this in an hour or so.

Me and Jackie were talking about the money thing, we had the same thought. If money were an issues maybe doing 15 flat venue and doing a BADC format would work, just balling ideas around. Get more people to try more games and maybe talk and learn things they didn't know before. The only reason I'm not down with Suguri is I cant see it getting competitive. Like it can be there, it's fun, but it doesn't need to be a main game unless we run the cheap format where everything is on an equal level. The only thing you'd be missing is big pots, but monthlies are more about learning and meeting up than anything.

Sounds good to me if it sounds good for everyone else. This would remove most money objections from the monthlies. Suguri could be a regular legit competitive thing in Tennessee, but <lots of reasons that would make people upset>. To that, KotB2 will probably be its last event unless it's requested, and it'll stay in the September lineup because September is the month before October, which is King of the Bling 2, and all the games featured in that month will be featured in this month, Persona will be added back in as I mentioned above, because people need to practice their games.

[Vocal Sabre]

This is the only thing you meant to ask, the rest is angry words so i'll reply to this:

It was initially left off because I hear very often that only three people play it competitively nowadays in this group. Like I mentioned in the BADC stream, yesterday, I realized that this is the monthly before KotB2 so it should be the three main games that are featured in the regional. I'll change the OP (which was never updated because everything was tentative) to reflect this in an hour or so.

Well if that was that case then why was Suguri up there? Because last time I counted, Suguri only gets about three "competitive" players. So if your reasoning was to leave off Persona because of that, Suguri shouldn't have been named.

[Milln]

Well if that was that case then why was Suguri up there? Because last time I counted, Suguri only gets about three "competitive" players. So if your reasoning was to leave off Persona because of that, Suguri shouldn't have been named.

This game doesn't have your mentioned issue.

[Kyle]

The dudes riding Milln's ass don't:

- Travel

- Host

- T.O.

Mutiny will only destruct what M.T.N.G. has built up.

M.T.N.Millin

[LastStarSaviour]

Actually, don't only like three people play Suguri in the first place? Do they even play the game THAT seriously at that? Vocal's statement is just as valid as any other. If Persona can't stay on the line-up because there are only three or so people are playing it competitively, then I think Suguri doesn't belong there either. This isn't angry words, this is just sitting down and using common sense to assess a situation.

Also Kyle, one, I do in fact travel. Been to Final Round, been to Memphis Boss Battles, going to NEC. Second, I don't host because apparently Milln is the only person who can do it? Third, I don't see how I can do that again because of the fact that everyone thinks Milln has to be the one who does it. I don't know where all of this "mutiny" bull shit spawned, but it isn't exactly that. All i'm asking is for our tournament organizer to get his act together so that when I spend my money to come down and participate, i'm not wasting my fucking time.

Also, Milln, if you have something to say to someone, you should say it to their face rather than be passive-aggressive, it solves a lot more issues than it creates. But I guess you're too afraid to get off your "Throne of cynicism to oust this demon from your land." So instead you'll just find every excuse possible to not fight your battles properly. I'll be glad to listen to everything you say face-to-face since I find talking it out directly to be much more effective than what's happening right now. Just wish someone who's supposed to be the figure-head for our scene would have the balls to just say what's on his mind directly.

[Volpe-de-Glacio]

If money were an issues maybe doing 15 flat venue and doing a BADC format would work, just balling ideas around.

I like this.

Talking about the monthly in September. CP won't be out then, unfortunately.

Ah, thought we were talking after KOB. I still think there's much more interest behind games like Melty Blood or possibly VSAV.

Suguri could be a regular legit competitive thing in Tennessee, but <lots of reasons that would make people upset>.

Only time I have a problem with Suguri is when it's going to replace what people want to play. If we can run everything I have no issue with Suguri getting played. If the scene prefers Suguri in general I'm down. I'm not "FGC cancer". I'm not trying to come up with excuses to get rid of Suguri and I'm not being hateful. Just calling it like I see it.

The dudes riding Milln's ass don't:

- Travel

- Host

- T.O.

Mutiny will only destruct what M.T.N.G. has built up.

M.T.N.Millin

Criticism isn't mutiny. Just because I don't have that experience doesn't make my point invalid.

Edited September 16, 2013 by Volpe-de-Glacio

[Klein]

Star, stop being awful at communications online.

Also, the reason Suguri could logically be up over Persona is because Suguri has more people willing to enter for the novelty of it. Nowadays I don't think Persona will be so lucky.

Plus, with Milln agreeing to run P4, there is no issue as long as you don't hate people for pushing games (a little too hard perhaps, but still)

[Mr.Minionman]

Why are you being so negative star >_> . It's a monthly, he was merely suggesting replacing persona. It wasn't definitive, and it certainly wasn't conclusive, and considering the small scale of the monthlies it's certainly not a significant issue. Milln has always been open for suggestions and changes, so creating ugly rants riddled with insults and jibes is not an appropriate way to get through to him. If you have a problem, there are more than enough ways to express civil dissent without taking the offensive.

and no, you do not need permission to host an event, but if you want to set something up you have to be absolutely ready to take up all of the responsibilities that entails; find a place/date/time, gather an audience, set rules, and put all of the time, effort, and sacrifice involved. He isn't the only person who has "permission" to, but he's certainly the only one trying. And right now, most people in the community think he's doing a hella fine job at it. But of absolute importance, if you want it to happen you have to take action, and if you can't do that then the words will be empty.

[LastStarSaviour]

All i'm saying is, logically, Suguri falls under the same category as Persona, if we're going by Milln's logic on why we aren't running it. Milln HIMSELF, stated that he was taking it off of the lineup because of the few players here who take the game seriously. By that logic, does Suguri not fall under the same category? There are maybe three or four people who actually play the game competitively in MTN while Persona even has out-of-state competition that comes down to fight us. That's really the only point i'm trying to make.

[Klein]

Persona even has out-of-state competition that comes down to fight us.

Not for our monthlies.

Jussayin'

[AMB Bakery]

I see bitches hating on Suguri... who am I going to have to

bake

some

delicious

-ass

cookies

to get them to change their mind?

[Klein]

I see bitches hating on Suguri... who am I going to have to

bake

some

delicious

-ass

cookies

to get them to change their mind?

I like you.

[Eireprince]

I see bitches hating on Suguri... who am I going to have to

bake

some

delicious

-ass

cookies

to get them to change their mind?

This is the best thing I have seen all day!

[LastStarSaviour]

No one's really hating on Suguri. However, if you're going to get rid of a game for certain conditions you've set while there's another that falls under the same circumstance, I expect for them to get treated just like other games, that's all i'm saying.

[Grimstar]

Just came in here to say LSS gots sum butthurtz.

Continue.

[Milln]

I really want to let all this go, but I can't get over it when something like this is said in a modest post:

that's all i'm saying.

when earlier you say stuff like

fuck the numbers,

You should be able to run more than four or five games no matter how big the brackets for the games are. If you can't, it's because you aren't doing a sufficient job running your tournaments.

Do your job properly, ... End of story.

He doesn't have to be though.

unless Milln is inadequate as an organizer.

our tournament organizer to get his act together

Just wish someone who's supposed to be the figure-head for our scene would have the balls to just say what's on his mind directly.

I don't know where all of this "mutiny" bull shit spawned

I wonder if you expect me to not be offended. Especially when you've blown up over something tentative. When it was a "Hey, guys, what do you think?" question.

Again, it was a question and wasn't conclusive on what we were running and you've gotten this irate and made all those comments both on the forum and i'm sure privately conversing with others over something that you could have simply said, "I think we should still run Persona."

Also, i'm happy that you guys read my twitter, but it seems you read that one tweet from the wrong perspective. I'm quite content to vent on Twitter before I do it here, though.

Though, to answer your issue about entrants, I count more heads willing to play AoSX than P4U and Klein said it pretty well.

the reason Suguri could logically be up over Persona is because Suguri has more people willing to enter for the novelty of it. Nowadays I don't think Persona will be so lucky.

Even though it's not about Suguri and Suguri didn't replace Persona in that tentative list I put, KOF replaced it. But again, that was all tentative. Persona is being run alongside the other games and we have a new format that will (probably)(hopefully) completely eliminate money johns so none of that matters, anyway.

fighting game tournament

For this comment, and this really goes for everyone, not just Star. Middle Tennessee Needs Gaming has never been completely about fighting games. Sometimes I think everyone forgets that. We aren't about fighters, though that's what we play the most of definitely. If we were, we wouldn't celebrate Jackie's victories in Spelunky, M'Ellis' Diva endeavors, or half the community's League shenanigans. The tournament we have monthly isn't about fighting games, either, though again that's what it has predominantly featured. It's about versus games. Competing. And even deeper, it's about helping and nurturing each other's growth as a group of close friends.

In closing, I hope this Flat Venue Fee format will work. It'll definitely increase entrants across all games we decide to play, so it'll help out the people that would play a game if they didn't have to "pay" for it, but if it inflates bracket size by what I fear, then it's going to put a strain on time. BADC finished at around midnight, right? cause a lot of people were like "Why not?" and we don't have that kind of luxury.

[LastStarSaviour]

Am I not supposed to be offended when someone compares me to cancer? What's worse is, you don't even have the nerve to just say it directly to me. You have to try and be passive-aggressive by posting it somewhere else thinking I wouldn't really find out about it.

If you have a problem with me, you could've just said so to me through the proper channels.