Yuushiro Posted May 29, 2011 Posted May 29, 2011 Going to update these as I have time to gather information from people’s and my own experience and translate what the Japanese are saying in the wiki or BBS For now you guys can discuss the matchup here. Basic/Matchup overview: long-distance: mid range: short range: Best tools: Best way to pressure: Their strategy vs us: Best overall strategy:
bakahyl Posted June 22, 2011 Posted June 22, 2011 I tend to have problems with Noel when it comes to pressure, almost everything that i can throw out can be beaten by 2d or 4d. So i play footsies with her because of Jin's better range and better air attacks, but eventually i get hit by something and take 4k damage. Is there a safe way to rush her down or am i forced to play defensively against her?
Yuushiro Posted June 23, 2011 Author Posted June 23, 2011 I tend to have problems with Noel when it comes to pressure, almost everything that i can throw out can be beaten by 2d or 4d. So i play footsies with her because of Jin's better range and better air attacks, but eventually i get hit by something and take 4k damage. Is there a safe way to rush her down or am i forced to play defensively against her? Yea, I like to play keep out more against her till I get a good poke and then she's in the corner now then we can play aggressive
xlolxlolx Posted June 23, 2011 Posted June 23, 2011 abuse j.236A/B/C, she can't really do much about them at mid range because you can air dash after recovery and rape her if she does like 6C or w/e to blow it up, you can still beat her out on some parts of her drive mash with 5A/5B
Moy_X7 Posted June 23, 2011 Posted June 23, 2011 ^^ I've been tagged with Hands Off the Panda a lot during recovery recently whenever I spam Ice Blades. That and they're not that hard to jump over/duck under since they're pretty slow. She's also pretty damn fast, you're basically letting her in, that way. I'd recommend using TK j.236C/D from time to time during block strings in order to bait 2Ds but that's about it, in my opinion at least lol. j.C in the other hand is pretty godlike in this match.
Moy_X7 Posted June 23, 2011 Posted June 23, 2011 lol, I thought that was one of those things that gets drilled into your head from hearing it so much. It's Optic Barrel.
xlolxlolx Posted June 23, 2011 Posted June 23, 2011 o_O how's your spacing when you do it? she shouldnt be able to get you without getting CH'd by b ice sword if you're mid range
Moy_X7 Posted June 23, 2011 Posted June 23, 2011 Yeah, it's usually a trade with j.236C but there are times when I get tagged after recovering from a j.236B since her Optic Barrel comes out pretty fast.
xlolxlolx Posted June 23, 2011 Posted June 23, 2011 hmm unless theyre actually looking for it, they shouldn't be able to catch you unless they backdash to dodge it then c barrel
Moy_X7 Posted June 23, 2011 Posted June 23, 2011 These guys were looking for it after a couple of games, they really didn't care about the trade though lol.
eQualz Posted June 23, 2011 Posted June 23, 2011 Just found out that 2C is godlike against 2D happy Noels, even more funny it clashes with 4D so abuse it. It also works on her wake up, just need to stay out of throw range and watch out for Fenrir if she has meter. Most of the time she ended up blocking 2C, I need more testing vs. other Noels to see if she has other options but I can't come up with one for now.
Yuushiro Posted June 24, 2011 Author Posted June 24, 2011 bahhahaah..., I should do that too to troll ppl
Chris Chaos Posted July 5, 2011 Posted July 5, 2011 Just found out that 2C is godlike against 2D happy Noels, even more funny it clashes with 4D so abuse it. It also works on her wake up, just need to stay out of throw range and watch out for Fenrir if she has meter. Most of the time she ended up blocking 2C, I need more testing vs. other Noels to see if she has other options but I can't come up with one for now. Can you be severely punished if the Noel player IB's 2C and leave you open for a Fatal Counter? I don't think ANYBODY wants to eat a FC combo from Noel... I might be wrong but isn't the recovery time from 2C pretty bad? And if so, can you cancel it with another move? If you can cancel 2C maybe it would be a safe option.
Roldy Posted July 7, 2011 Posted July 7, 2011 CS2 Jin can gatling 2C into 5C. From there, you can jump cancel the 5C. You can also try delaying the gatling from 2C to 5C to create a frame trap.
Yuushiro Posted August 7, 2011 Author Posted August 7, 2011 2C will beat noel's 4D and 2D. but yea make sure you don't use it after 5C... save the 2c>5c gatling so it'll be safer on block
Xx_Hoshi_xX Posted September 23, 2011 Posted September 23, 2011 beware of 3c. 5b and 5c will whiff if you're too far from them. you have to hit her right when she is using it as well or 5b/5c will still whiff even at close range.
Chris Chaos Posted September 24, 2011 Posted September 24, 2011 CS2 Jin can gatling 2C into 5C. From there, you can jump cancel the 5C. You can also try delaying the gatling from 2C to 5C to create a frame trap. I completely forgot about that, and I use it all the time, LOL! 2C will beat noel's 4D and 2D. but yea make sure you don't use it after 5C... save the 2c>5c gatling so it'll be safer on block This is true but you have to time it pretty well since it's LOL 2D. And it beats 4D? That sounds awfully risky, I have gotten blown up for that before and that's one of the reasons why I haven't used it in against 4D. I may be wrong or my timing might be off, I'll check it out and go over the Match-Up with LunaKage. beware of 3c. 5b and 5c will whiff if you're too far from them. you have to hit her right when she is using it as well or 5b/5c will still whiff even at close range. This is true but it would be much safer to block 3C then punish with 5C because you get a free CH crouching combo. Just watch out for heat because most Noel's I've played hit has derped 3C -> RC -> 3C... I'll go over a few things with Luna and post like I did in the Tager Thread and we can get further in the discussion with that post and look at the good things and see if there are any errors with it. Also post up opinions about the options in the thread because honestly, this character makes me rage and I would love to help all the Jin players put her to sleep.
Yuushiro Posted September 24, 2011 Author Posted September 24, 2011 Tetsu gives out good examples when he beats R-2 and minami noel.
Chris Chaos Posted September 24, 2011 Posted September 24, 2011 Really now? Well, looks like I should start using this or at least use it right.
VerifyinTr1gIDs Posted October 28, 2011 Posted October 28, 2011 Why are you guys having so many problems with Noel? Noel in Arcade Mode and Score Attack Mode are so easy to beat. I can't even explain how I beat her.
Moy_X7 Posted October 28, 2011 Posted October 28, 2011 Why are you guys having so many problems with Noel? Noel in Arcade Mode and Score Attack Mode are so easy to beat. I can't even explain how I beat her. ... I haven't played a competent Noel in forever, thank God for that. I don't think I can deal with those 2D to 4-5K shenanigans any more after knowing that she got nerfed pretty hard in CSX.
Yggjrasil Posted October 28, 2011 Posted October 28, 2011 Why are you guys having so many problems with Noel? Noel in Arcade Mode and Score Attack Mode are so easy to beat. I can't even explain how I beat her. God, You are either a gdlk troll or the biggest fucking idiot ever.
Fluck Posted October 28, 2011 Posted October 28, 2011 5D rapes every single button Noel can press. The only counter is for Noel to make it whiff (footsies!) and get in.
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