Yggjrasil Posted December 23, 2011 Posted December 23, 2011 Imagine if she still had her CSII damage. Then she'd be S Tier along with Valk and Ragna. @_@
A.X.I.S. Posted December 23, 2011 Posted December 23, 2011 Messed around in the arcade for a few minutes: 5B > 5C > 236B > dash 5C > 2C > j.D (bat) > land 6C > 22C > 6A > 6C > 22C > 5C > 6A > 236B > 3C > CDT 5180 damage (iirc? might be 5160) 46 meter gain Obviously, damage goes up if you have a better starter than 5B. Combo doesn't work if you start with anything prior to 5B. Can you do this with a 2B starter? 2B>5B>all of that stuff.
Moy_X7 Posted December 23, 2011 Posted December 23, 2011 In general, her damage got normalized, which I find to be a pretty nice change. :D I for one am glad that she turned out to be this balanced.
Starlight777 Posted December 23, 2011 Posted December 23, 2011 I for one am glad that she turned out to be this balanced. I both like it and a small part of me will miss her retarded CS2 damage. No more ripping bad Ragna's health bars in half with little effort. Oh well being able to start combos off of nearly everything should make up for that.
Tari Posted December 23, 2011 Posted December 23, 2011 (edited) Can you do this with a 2B starter? 2B>5B>all of that stuff. I'm not sure. Someone else will have to test it, since I can't hit the arcade today. I suspect the answer may be no, though, and that the combo will drop after the second 22C. In the current combo, I don't believe 22C > 5A > 6A > 236B is possible, if that's any indication. If it turns out that you can't do 5C after the second 22C, it might be possible to use the bat to wallbound the opponent again and end with another Mami... but it'd probably be best to just drop the second 6C loop and go immediately into an ender. Edit: I assumed you meant 2B > 5C, for some reason. 2B > 5B > 5C is almost definitely a no. Edited December 23, 2011 by Tari
Moy_X7 Posted December 23, 2011 Posted December 23, 2011 I both like it and a small part of me will miss her retarded CS2 damage. No more ripping bad Ragna's health bars in half with little effort. Oh well being able to start combos off of nearly everything should make up for that. 5C to 5K yo. The one thing I always hate in Platinum mirrors is getting hit by a random ass Heart Car into a 4K day-one combo. Here I am dominating these Plats, doing all this fancy 22C crap and bam, I just lost 4K to a kiddie level combo. That's why I very rarely do mirrors, I'd rather just rape random Plats with Jin. Not anymore, Plats are going to have to step their shit up and not rely on getting that lucky Heart Car in lol.
Moy_X7 Posted December 23, 2011 Posted December 23, 2011 But that's using the 22C ender, right? Not that Ez-mode Bubble > Air Combo? If it's the latter then, fffuuuuuuuuu-
Tari Posted December 23, 2011 Posted December 23, 2011 Oh, if they just do 236B > 5C > 2C > 214C > Air Ender, it's probably in the mid to high 3k range.
Moy_X7 Posted December 23, 2011 Posted December 23, 2011 A little over 3K+ is not too bad, I'll manage to keep myself from popping a blood vessel lol.
CakeWasBannedd Posted December 23, 2011 Posted December 23, 2011 5C to 5K yo. The one thing I always hate in Platinum mirrors is getting hit by a random ass Heart Car into a 4K day-one combo. Here I am dominating these Plats, doing all this fancy 22C crap and bam, I just lost 4K to a kiddie level combo. That's why I very rarely do mirrors, I'd rather just rape random Plats with Jin. Not anymore, Plats are going to have to step their shit up and not rely on getting that lucky Heart Car in lol. l2block l2bait heart car isn't even hard to avoid if you're expecting it, which if they're spamming it then you should be
Moy_X7 Posted December 23, 2011 Posted December 23, 2011 l2block l2bait heart car isn't even hard to avoid if you're expecting it, which if they're spamming it then you should be Thing is that they don't spam it and I rarely get hit by it but when I do get hit by it, oh man.
CakeWasBannedd Posted December 23, 2011 Posted December 23, 2011 Thing is that they don't spam it and I rarely get hit by it but when I do get hit by it, oh man. yeah word but platinum kind of needs that sort of thing to keep you somewhat respectful, as her normals are all fairly short range (and her long-range normals are pretty slow) and she has trouble getting out of pressure once you start it
Moy_X7 Posted December 24, 2011 Posted December 24, 2011 Speaking of which, I wonder just how much faster her 5B is in EX. That thing is painfully slow and has crapton of recovery, might as well just poke with 2B.
CakeWasBannedd Posted December 24, 2011 Posted December 24, 2011 Speaking of which, I wonder just how much faster her 5B is in EX. That thing is painfully slow and has crapton of recovery, might as well just poke with 2B. it reminds me a lot of ragna's 5B in the ways it can work it's great for throwing out just to discourage them from running in, basically saying "if you come near me this shit is going in your face" or if you want you can do 5B whiff then 5B again and probably hit them, as they think "oh he just whiffed a move time to run in and punish!" at least in my experience this is how the move is best used. if you do it rather close you're at a greater risk of just getting beaten out by your opponent's faster move. like you said, if you're looking for a move that has nice range and you can run up and throw out to start pressure, 2B is a better choice, at least in CS2
Tari Posted December 24, 2011 Posted December 24, 2011 2B is still great in CSX, imo. 5B's hitbox extends faster in this game, and the move itself is possibly 1 frame faster. 2A > 5B is still not a legitimate combo. It has its uses, and it can punish whiffs and whatnot at ranges that 5C and other, better starters, can't. It's definitely similar to Ragna's 5B, but it's not as good or viable for footsies and pressure.
Cirno Posted December 24, 2011 Author Posted December 24, 2011 ah yeah, i was saying something about new 5b earlier. also finally got tired of waiting for other methods, so i ordered csex yesterday. will hopefully be here tomorrow, but might take till monday. really wanna lab her new stuff, might make a combo video if i can find a decent way to (only have poor recording equipment, we'll see).
Starlight777 Posted December 24, 2011 Posted December 24, 2011 A little over 3K+ is not too bad, I'll manage to keep myself from popping a blood vessel lol. I'm ok with this amount of damage in the corner until I finally get down what to do after 6C>22C lol.
Tari Posted December 24, 2011 Posted December 24, 2011 It's still 4k if you do the 6C 22C, I think? Not really sure. You can't do 5-6k off it without items anymore, though. No more 6C > 22C > 6A > 22C > 6A > 22C, I believe.
A.X.I.S. Posted December 24, 2011 Posted December 24, 2011 Plat still can stagger 5A all day and swallow moon is still useful. Our damage with bombs/missiles doesn't easily break 2k midscreen it seems. I'll practice with her more on Christmas. I will call it loli christmas.
Starlight777 Posted December 24, 2011 Posted December 24, 2011 So I finally learned a 6C>22C combo that I can do consistently in training, but once I hit netplay it all turns into "How do I make combo?"
CakeWasBannedd Posted December 24, 2011 Posted December 24, 2011 i'm most hype for bombs having controllable trajectory now tbh now all her items are useful
Moy_X7 Posted December 24, 2011 Posted December 24, 2011 Ah, delicious new loli: Bat - combo on CH makes this worth the risk now, combo extender in the corner. Pan - same as before, instant overhead and combo extender Cat Hammer - combo on CH makes this twice as good as before, instant long range overhead. Bombs - Controllable trajectory, only 3 bombs are available making it easier to cycle through weapons. Missiles - same as before, RTSD cover. Hammer - Same as before, combo extender and prime breaker. 5B is faster and has a better hit-box. 2C has a better hit-box. j.C no longer has landing recovery and it has a better hit-box(?). Untechable CDT Special Cancel throws. All of this in exchange of silly damage but her damage is still pretty good in the corner. I WANT HER, I WANT HER NOW.
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