FlyingVe Posted August 12, 2011 Posted August 12, 2011 The question I think we're all waiting on. Also probably determines if she's going to be beyond godlike or not. If it's like Zero's buster, where you'd just give up the D-button for a bit, she'll be godlike, if its like SoD, it'll be a neat toy.
BloodyRootBeers Posted August 12, 2011 Posted August 12, 2011 Some more stuff: ロケテ情報 ハバキリ補正変更 初70乗87*3 Habakiri power weakened? P1 (literally "power) 70, damage 87 x3? Ouch, hope I'm wrong...although bomb combos were kind of stupid lol. Ouch, oh well, eventually a nerf had to come.
SolarMisae Posted August 12, 2011 Posted August 12, 2011 Considering they gave us the option to charge the bombs, use DP midair, yata too...honestly if they didn't nerf SOMETHING she'd end up being Nu-status minus the braindead gameplay. That being said, it seems like they're planning to make her much more solid all around, and am hoping the final build will leave her well off but not too OP. But if she does end up OP I'm just gonna enjoy all the salty tears she'll cause. But still...no one will play her. :D
YukiBlue Posted August 12, 2011 Posted August 12, 2011 Delay / Damage nerf seems acceptable. Buffs are outweighing the Nerfs by a shit ton atm though.
Absinthe Posted August 13, 2011 Posted August 13, 2011 Kept in touch with H.H via Twitter these days and, along with saying that he has good hopes for air tsunugui midscreen: そーいえば。溜めハバキリと溜めないハバキリでダメージ同じだった。何かを見てから即爆発させたい場面とかあったかなぁ… In poor words, charged habakiri and uncharged habakiri deal the same damage. As expected, I think 214[d] will be used mostly for renewed setups Also from Ushidonburi's blog: Ehy, what's that? A bird? A airplane? No, you're wrong... That's... 三◇TSUNUGUI! lmfao Oh and has anyone said that j.tsunugui cornerbounds?
YukiBlue Posted August 14, 2011 Posted August 14, 2011 I'm already hyped for the new setups and Oki possibilities. kngrnlkgrlgrln;genlg
Zeromus_X Posted August 14, 2011 Posted August 14, 2011 (edited) More stuff from jbbs, anyone want to help?: http://jbbs.livedoor.jp/bbs/read.cgi/game/45148/1313170473/l50 New stuff in bold: ・ツヌグイ空中可能 Tsunugui useable in air ・ヤタノ空中可能 Yatano useable in air ・ハバキリ溜め可能（溜めた場合どうなるかは未検証） Habakiri can be held down (needs to be investigated?) ・ハバキリの補正がキツめに変更 Habakiri proration worse ・ツヌグイが壁小バウンド対応技に変更 (Tsunugui can wallbound) ・ツヌグイの硬直が増加 Tsunugui's hitstun increased ・J2CがFC対応技に変更 J2C has Fatal Counter ・2Cが相手ガード時にジャンプキャンセル不可に。2C no longer Jump-cancellable on block 2C no longer jump cancellable on block is kind of sad, but as long as it still has gatling into 5C it should be fine. More hitstun on DP along with the other changes definitely means it'll play a big part in new combos. Edit: Thanks to xlolxlolx for help on translation ,,,,,,,, ､,,,;ミ;;'''"" "''''彡' ､､ミ'' , ,,, "ﾐミ ミ , ﾐミ ､ミﾞﾞ ﾐミ やれやれ 困ったな。 ､ミ ,, ﾐミ 私の本当の姿を見られてしまったか・・・ ミ ,, ミミ ミ ,, ﾐミ ミ ﾐミ ミ ﾐミ ,,,,,,,, `ミ ﾐミ ミ;;'''"" "''''彡' 彡 ﾐミ ､ミ'' "ﾐミ ".〃;;,,,,,,,,, ,,,;;ヾミミ ミ ﾐミ ,ﾉ ＼ ""''''''"" ｈ:::,､ ,､ ミミ ／ ｀ー ､ ￣ |.｀ -､.| |/,ﾉ/,ﾉ ﾐミ ／ ￣￣ |, | |. レつ ﾐミ ./ i^| ｲ ﾐミ ｼｭﾜｼｭﾜｼｭﾜ l ､ |ｿ | ﾐミ | ＼ Habaya ヽ | ﾐミ ヽ , -へ ﾉ─ ､ ノ､_,,, ,,,;;ヾミミ ヽ ／ ＼ ／ > ""''''''""/ |＼ / ＼／ / ／ / | ｀ｰ＼ ''" / | / / Edited August 14, 2011 by Zeromus_X
Absinthe Posted August 14, 2011 Posted August 14, 2011 Translating (even though they're easily understandable) all the checked combo in the BBS, there's some interesting stuff Uh and I was thinking, 214[D] could be used for dealing with delayed ground tech... Think about it, 6C > 6D~4D > 214[D] and the opponent would be obliterated by dem delayed explosions on wakeup. If it works like this, Mu will probably have one of the best and scary oki in the game, gentlemen
YukiBlue Posted August 14, 2011 Posted August 14, 2011 That trick works wonders in CS2 now. But I agree, With how this is shaping up our already gdlk Oki is becoming ridiculous. + 1 Buff id like to see would be improvements to 236A. I'd like it to have a wider arc and travel slower. I dont really use it as much as I should really.
Absinthe Posted August 14, 2011 Posted August 14, 2011 236A is as good as ever imho, no need to buff it. Far away from the kind of that useless ball of CS1 By catching delayed tech I meant to set up steins, hold down 214D and wait for opponent's wake up. When they do their delayed (since if the others know a bit of Mu matchup they're aware that waking up immediately after 6C > 6D is a HIGH risk...) tech, no more negative edge on D and boom, explosions - lotsa setups in my mind :3c better continue writing down those combos
YukiBlue Posted August 14, 2011 Posted August 14, 2011 Oh my bad. If we can move during the delay (I doubt this very much) Mu is going to be Godlike. Delay 214D And a SoD looming over them? The mindfuck alone would either fuck them for 2.5K or devour primers.
Zeromus_X Posted August 14, 2011 Posted August 14, 2011 (edited) Absinthe, are you writing down the combos near the top of the page on the bbs? I think those were already posted in the combo thread a while back. Just so you don't make more work for yourself. Edit: http://www.dustloop.com/forums/showthread.php?11490-CS2-%CE%BC-12-Combo-Thread-%28Updated-8.4.11%29&p=1032678&viewfull=1#post1032678 If the new 214D[D] oki turns out that good, then it definitely makes sense that they nerfed the damage. I would gladly sacrifice damage for better lockdown anyway. Edited August 14, 2011 by Zeromus_X
Absinthe Posted August 14, 2011 Posted August 14, 2011 ... Didn't notice that it's a new part of the board and those are like opening posts of the thread Thank you for advicing me Zeromus, I'd have continued translating and translating if nobody told me that lol
Remius Posted August 17, 2011 Posted August 17, 2011 Stein Popper nerf >: 0 2C no longer jump C. on block >: 00000 j.2C Fatal Counter Everything went better than expected
YukiBlue Posted August 17, 2011 Posted August 17, 2011 (edited) Like I said. Mu boards are classy and fuck and don't get nerfs. The only question we need to know is: Can we move during 214D Delay? If so, Mu confirmed for S Tier. If not, Then she is still going to be damn strong. Edited August 17, 2011 by YukiBlue
FlyingVe Posted August 17, 2011 Posted August 17, 2011 Actually, that 2C nerf isn't insubstantial, its not he end of the world or anything, but it does hurt us pretty bad in a few situations, most notably, meaty 2C and the 2C option select oki.
YukiBlue Posted August 17, 2011 Posted August 17, 2011 It's still a very Strong AA. Coupled with the Buffs and whatnot, I'd hardly consider it a nerf when we have all these others options available now. ED: Just Read about Meaty 2C. It will hurt a bit. But not much.
FlyingVe Posted August 17, 2011 Posted August 17, 2011 Well, it's not like we get punished, you can cancel into 5C or 3C, the problem is, that after doing that, you at a range where you've pretty much given up the advantage, and your back at midrange (which is admittedly very strong for Mu).
Aginor Posted August 17, 2011 Posted August 17, 2011 Given up the advantage? You're still at an advantage because the opponent hasn't got in on you yet unless you're in the corner. And if they're at midrange that means you're still at an advantage... Anyways, I'm a little disappointed at 2C not being jump cancellable but w/e.
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